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Keystone XL Pipeline Hearings: State Department Hears From Kansas, Texas

JUAN A. LOZANO and MARIA SUDEKUM FISHER   09/27/11 12:54 AM ET   AP

PORT ARTHUR, Texas — At public meetings in two states on Monday, a proposed pipeline that would bring oil from Canada into the U.S. was criticized as environmentally dangerous by people in Kansas while being praised in Texas as a safe way to create much needed jobs nationwide.

In the Southeast Texas refinery town of Port Arthur, more than 500 people packed a meeting where most spoke in favor of the Keystone XL oil pipeline at a public hearing sponsored by the State Department.

It was the second hearing of the day on the proposed structure. Earlier Monday, 200 people attended a meeting in Topeka, Kan., with many environmentalists speaking against the pipeline, claiming it would move a "dirtier" and environmentally devastating form of energy from Canada through six U.S. states before ending up in Port Arthur, located about 95 miles east of Houston, on the Texas coast.

At the Texas meeting, which lasted about five hours, most supported the pipeline, saying it would create thousands of jobs, increase national security by lessening the country's demand on oil from countries that may not be friendly to the U.S. and would not endanger the environment.

Bobby Petty was like many of those attending who wore T-shirts with slogans in favor of the pipeline, such as "Keystone XL Pipeline Means Jobs" and "Build Keystone XL Now."

Petty, who was with a group called "Veterans For Keystone XL," told State Department officials running the meeting that while he wants clean air and water, he also wants the thousands of jobs the pipeline will create. Many speakers said that with high unemployment besieging the economy, these jobs are desperately needed in Texas and across the country.

"As an American, I'm proud to stand here with my union friends, with my veteran friends, with my Canadian neighbors to please ask the president to approve this pipeline," Petty said.

Supporters of the pipeline, many refinery workers, often cheered after one of them spoke and sometimes booed those who spoke against it.

"We need President Obama to pass this pipeline and pass it right now," said Jaime Alvarado, an owner of a small construction company from Houston. "The No. 1 reason: Jobs and jobs and jobs."

There were about 45 people who spoke against it, including Hilton Kelley, a community activist in Port Arthur, who said he believes the structure would bring more refinery-related health problems to his community.

"We ask that Keystone not come to Port Arthur," he said.

In Topeka, Rabbi Moti Rieber, coordinator of the Kansas Interfaith Power & Light, said he and others in his coalition disagreed with the State Department's report, which said there are unlikely to be any serious environmental problems with the proposed 1,700-mile pipeline.

"An energy policy that moves the nation toward an even dirtier form of oil and involves such devastation of God's creation represents a profound moral failure," he said.

Kansas Republican Gov. Sam Brownback said that while he supports exploring alternative energy sources like wind and solar, he also supports building the $7 billion Keystone XL pipeline because "for the foreseeable future we're going to need oil."

About 40 protesters organized by the National Wildlife Federation marched outside the hall during a break in the Topeka meeting. They chanted and carried signs saying, "Stop Keystone XL." About a dozen supporters also gathered with signs that read: "We support Keystone XL."

David Barnett, financial secretary for the Pipeliners Union 798, of Tulsa, Okla., said losing the pipeline would cost his members "up in the millions of dollars" in paychecks.

The pipeline would move tar sands oil from Alberta, Canada, and hook up to Calgary-based TransCanada's existing pipelines and move oil to Oklahoma and the Gulf of Mexico.

The meetings Monday in Topeka and Port Arthur kick off this week's series of hearings on the Keystone XL pipeline.

Officials from the State Department said they don't plan to answer any questions, reserving most of the time for comments from the public.

Other meetings have been scheduled this week in Montana, South Dakota, Oklahoma and Nebraska. Even in that deeply conservative state there is growing concern about the pipeline's effect on the Ogallala Aquifer, a vast subterranean reservoir that spans a large swath of the Great Plains and provides water to much of Nebraska and seven other states.

The State Department, which has to approve the pipeline because it would cross the U.S.-Canada border, is expected to decide by the end of the year. The sessions are likely to focus on the department's final draft of its environmental impact statement on the pipeline, which found that special conditions put on the pipeline would result in a project with a "degree of safety greater than any typically constructed domestic oil pipeline system under current regulations."

Kerri-Ann Jones, assistant secretary for the Bureau of Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs, a State Department agency, was in Topeka, where she met with Brownback but did not attend the meetings. She said the State Department would use the input collected during the week to inform the department's decision.

"We have not made our decision," Jones said.

TransCanada and its supporters say the pipeline would mean tens of thousands of U.S. jobs and more energy security for the country.

"If the activists feel that they're facing an uphill battle, it's because the facts don't support their overheated rhetoric," TransCanada spokesman Shawn Howard said earlier. "It has been shown that the outrageous claims these groups have made aren't true."

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Associated Press writer Maria Sudekum Fisher reported from Topeka, Kan.

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blurredmolly
Was you ever bit by a dead bee?
09:27 AM on 09/27/2011
500 payed shills.
08:45 AM on 09/27/2011
Won't this pipeline cross over a few severe geologic fault lines? Is it being built to be earthquake proof so that a good sized quake won't make it rupture and saturate the soil and destroy the water basin for all the people and farmers out there? Do we really need it to go all the way to Texas? What would be so bad about building the refinery up in Montana? Don't those people need jobs too? Then we wouldn't need to take a potentially dangerous pipeline across several of our most productive states.
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Jeremyewilliams
Reality is not the GOPs cup of tea!
08:33 AM on 09/27/2011
Republicans say oil>ecosystem.
Republicans say greed>humanity.

Republicans are from a different planet.
10:23 AM on 09/27/2011
I am assuming the dems are from planet earth, really? Come on, that is so lame. No wonder our parties can't reach across the aisle with your kind of statement. Oh well, it was worth a shot to let you know.
11:55 AM on 10/02/2011
I am a Democrat and I agree. This is just juvenile talk. We are never going to reach a consensus on moving forward with this kind of approach.
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DanoX
I'll be your snack-pack baby!
07:59 AM on 09/27/2011
What the heck, they want to run it straight through all the red states, be my guest. Just remember when, not if, the pipeline leaks these red voting states will be begging for Federal aid to rebuild their communities. And our answer will be a unanimous "Go talk to your corporate oil friends."
10:25 AM on 09/27/2011
So, you think that nobody has taken into consideration about oil leaks and no environmental studies have been done? Also, have you read enough material to support your statement? Just asking.
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DanoX
I'll be your snack-pack baby!
07:49 AM on 09/27/2011
"Veterans For Keystone XL" ? What does being a Vet have to do with this? I'm a Vet, and I don't get the connection. Big oil playing at the whole "If you’re not for us then you aren't patriotic!" shtick. I'd like to see the accounting books for "Veterans For Keystone XL". I'm betting there have been some rather large anonymous donations recently.
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BowlingForRevenge
~ rabid yellow dog dem tiger mom & proud of it ~
05:48 AM on 09/27/2011
It appears the pipeline will effect very little of the Lone Star State while it will totally bisect S. Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma
I'm not quite sure if the folks in the beautiful Piney Woods of East Texas are happy with the pipeline as many Texas farmers and environmentalists are PO'd too. Port Arthur is where it ends so they'll get refinery jobs. Those building the pipeline won't be locals.
maxfax
Taa - dah!
04:04 AM on 09/27/2011
Oil companies have no interest in the environment, or the risk to it.
03:13 AM on 09/27/2011
If you want a solution on these issues, you can do something right now. Add your name to a new White House petition at:

http://wh.gov/ghD
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Andrew Harvey
Don't F with the Jesus
08:11 PM on 09/27/2011
Great, a new petition.

Here's an idea. How about we make a new rule that requires every petition to have a "counter petition" that advocates the opposing position. Then you can sign one or the other, and we can have a decent look at where people actually stand.
10:50 AM on 09/30/2011
Great, a new rule.

Here's an idea. Go to the site and create your counter petition if that's your position. Either way, I think voicing your view directly to the White House is a freedom we should appreciate here in America, and I'm thankful our President added this new feature to the White House website.
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Always Thinkin
Nogoodnik
02:40 AM on 09/27/2011
Full speed ahead on this train! Choo choo!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/gallery/2010/sep/07/tarnished-earth-oil-sands#/?picture=366315449&index=0
Yay destruction for short term profits! And we'll be able to turn the Ogalalla Aquifer into an oil slick? Sign me up!
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12:36 AM on 09/27/2011
This pipeline will be built. All grassroots protests are no match for the money behind this, more than enough to buy all the politicians needed to make it happen. Sad but true. But all we can do is keep trying even though it seems for nought.
maxfax
Taa - dah!
04:06 AM on 09/27/2011
As long as Americans see themselves as "not impacted" money wins, and money counts on that type of thinking and inaction of Americans.
08:26 AM on 09/27/2011
I totally agree...Petitions and the American VOICE and ACTION is important...Ever here of one bad apple spoils the bunch...well, one good apple can remove the bad too.
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Raleigh Latham
Save our Wolrd
11:47 PM on 09/26/2011
building a pipeline to spill straight into their water supply, way to go republicans
maxfax
Taa - dah!
04:10 AM on 09/27/2011
You know that scene in Erin Brockovich where she gives a glass of water and she says is "especially" brought in from Hinckley for the lawyer?
10:31 AM on 09/27/2011
have you given thought that the EPA would be involved and there are regulations to follow? don't know if this would help any,but worth a shot to let you know
on the other side, I would prefer that our country start drilling here and have refineries built close to those oil wells, but that's me and I know I don't count
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CivilDebate10
Practical Independent Libertarian
10:42 PM on 09/26/2011
The anti-science environmental crowd is at it again -- the pipeline is not harmful
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Always Thinkin
Nogoodnik
02:04 AM on 09/27/2011
Yes as we all know pipelines can't leak into water! Stupid enviro nuts!
maxfax
Taa - dah!
04:11 AM on 09/27/2011
I agree, as long as it remains on the drawing board and never used.
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
09:46 PM on 09/26/2011
"It has been shown that the outrageous claims these groups have made aren't true."

Whatever they are saying.

The dollar signs seem to be affecting my hearing.
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dispagi
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08:46 PM on 09/26/2011
Until we completely stop investing in oil, we're not going to get away from it. You don't cure an addiction by building a pipeline directly to the source.
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08:30 PM on 09/26/2011
It's a non issue here. The predicted "massive" demonstration in Ottawa was embarrassingly small, a few school buses full at best and the weather was great.
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LastAngryWoman
waiting for godot
08:14 AM on 09/27/2011
A "Canuck"view?

Really. Well, you don't represent MY view...or any of my family or friends. Pffffft. A Canuckview indeed. pureballs.
Lemme guess...you're from Alberta.
It IS an issue here...and we are just as unheard, unfunded and ignored as the Americans are when it comes to raising the alarm about the serious effects of our addiction..
For now, our Dear Leader who supports poisoning *other* folks with our asbestos, has been successful at paying for your support through the massive "don't worry everyone, it is clean" campaign. But, like EVERY pipeline ever built...cracks will begin to form...then rupture.

Too bad our Dear Leader didn't have his personal "interests" in wind or solar...or he would be touting that...but as it is...he's all for the fossil. Gotta put your mouth where your own personal money is.
11:59 AM on 10/02/2011
Wind and solar does not replace oil. Wind and solar are for electricity and heat, oil is for transportation. Please learn a little about the issues
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LastAngryWoman
waiting for godot
08:27 AM on 09/27/2011
Btw, does anyone else find it silly and annoying when folks imply they have a nation's viewpoint all sewn up and in the bag?
It would be like Sarah Palin posting on a Canadian site like CBC, calling herself "StateSideView".