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Wikipedia Co-Founder Jimmy Wales Describes The Site's Hold-Out On Social Media

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First Posted: 09/26/11 08:28 PM ET Updated: 11/26/11 05:12 AM ET

In an age when airport terminals tweet and even dry cleaners ask to be “liked” on Facebook, social media has a surprise holdout: Wikipedia.

The online encyclopedia pioneered new ways for individuals to share, connect and collaborate online a full seven years before Facebook was conceived and now offers 17.9 million articles accessed by more than 400 million users a month, making it the fifth most popular website worldwide.

But Wikipedia is keeping mainstream social networking sites at arm’s reach, eschewing features such as Facebook's “like” buttons and Google-plus links on its site. It's a move that underscores the power the Wikipedia community has to determine the direction of the site, as well as the encyclopedia's reticence to align itself with any single web company.

The site maintains profiles on services such as Twitter, but Wikipedia co-founder Jimmy Wales told The Huffington Post that the encyclopedia has no plans to deepen its integration with social media companies.

“We’ve never been particularly good at partnering with people. Our community strives for neutrality in all respects: this applies to what is contained in the encyclopedia, but our community is also passionate about being vendor neutral,” Wales said during an interview Monday at the OMMA Global conference in New York City. “In the Wikipedia context, these decisions are community driven, even at that very, very core level. Communities can sometimes be quite paranoid about certain things.”

Wales also said he has doubts about the degree to which users would care to share their activity on Wikipedia, expressing concerns with Facebook’s latest push to promote a “new class” of social applications that, once approved, would publicize any interaction a user has with the apps. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg praised these apps as a way to facilitate “frictionless” sharing and “realtime serendipity” when he unveiled them last week.

“Things like sharing what you’re reading, that’s where Facebook bumps up against the line of what people find slightly weird and creepy,” Wales said. “If I go to read something on Wikipedia, that’s my own personal business…You should feel safe and private knowing that whatever you want to learn, you go to Wikipedia to learn it and you don’t have to worry that you’ve accidentally told Facebook you want to learn it.”

The increasing popularity of social networking sites, to which Americans devote 22 percent of their time online according to Nielsen, has had a negligible influence on Wikipedia, Wales said.

“It hasn’t affected us at all,” he said.

Wales, who spoke highly of individual Wikipedia contributors he has met, including an avid editor in Kazakhstan and a retiree with an interest in baronetcy, acknowledged that there were elements of the encyclopedia that resembled a social networking site: it forges connections between individuals around the world, offers a platform through which people can communicate and provides an outlet for their contributions. The key difference, he noted, is that on Wikipedia, the conversations that take place between the members of the community have the end goal of creating content and building a site for an audience of readers.

The greatest challenge Wikipedia now faces is expanding into developing countries, according to Wales. As part of its effort to offer more entries in a greater number of languages, Wikipedia has plans to open its first office outside the United States in India.

“Wikipedia’s vision statement is to provide a free encyclopedia for every single person on the planet in their own language, so it’s core to our mission that we focus a lot on the developing world where Wikipedia is behind where it could be,” Wales said. “We already have a free encyclopedia in English, and we want to improve it, but really, I’m more and more focused on growth in the developing world.”

At the same time, Wikipedia is struggling to retain its dwindling pool of editors and diversify its pool of contributors, nearly 90 percent of whom are male.

Wikipedia already has plans to simplify its editing software, which the organization hopes will entice more users who don't have an extensive tech background to contribute to the site.

To date, however, Wales said something far more basic has been the most important factor contributing to Wikipedia’s success: fun.

"It's fun and people enjoy doing it," said Wales of editing the online encyclopedia, adding that he contributes to Wikipedia almost daily and is particularly interested in the House of Lords article. "People do fun and interesting things because they’re fun and interesting."

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that Wales described Wikipedia as "actually building something." He was referring to Wikia, a for-profit company co-founded by Wales.
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In an age when airport terminals tweet and even dry cleaners ask to be “liked” on Facebook, social media has a surprise holdout: Wikipedia. The online encyclopedia pioneered new ways for indivi...
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HeadAches
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12:37 PM on 10/04/2011
I just love it when the author seems to think everyone is on Facebook. I have news for you - 96% of the worlds population are not on Facebook, including me!
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12:18 PM on 09/29/2011
GO Wiki!
01:34 PM on 09/28/2011
Wikipedia is a great site and am glad to see it keeping it's neutrality. Facebook can be entertaining but I use it with the realization that I'm being marketed to. The main flaw with wikipedia is that anybody can contribute and sometimes there's no way to verify if it's actually true. You still must investigate the info but it is a good place to start.
06:48 PM on 09/27/2011
Wiki is our Library at Alexandria. I know that sounds hyperbolic but it really is a feather in the cap of the species at a time when real "humanity" is hard to come by. Though imperfect (as we all are) it shows the power of truly democratic and open source knowledge on demand vetted by literally anyone who sees it that can actually prove their point. That's why fact averse people hate it so very much and I love it!
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edenooch
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05:27 PM on 09/27/2011
failbook has always been creepy
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DougGrinbergs
04:12 PM on 09/27/2011
> Wikipedia already has plans to simplify its editing software

I think a desktop editing client app is one obvious way to make the editing user experience suck a lot less - to increase editing accessibility and greatly reduce geekiness.
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02:27 PM on 09/27/2011
It's a shame there's no tweet buttons on Wikipedia because I would tweet their articles all the time if it were convenient for me to do so.
satyrday
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12:22 PM on 09/27/2011
Wikipedia is easily the best website on the internet.
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12:19 PM on 09/29/2011
Most useful for sure.
11:43 AM on 09/27/2011
Coming from the Co-Founder of the Site that allows you to change history his thoughts are meaningless.
06:42 PM on 09/27/2011
Because only your team should get to change history? Is that about right? You just can't comprehend something non-partisan can you?
01:38 PM on 09/28/2011
History is constantly changing. So are thoughts. How is that meaningless?
85Percent
Southern Liberal & Michigander
10:35 AM on 09/27/2011
Thank you, Mr.Wales, thank you!

Facebook is the anti-Christ of the Internet. It is determined to take everyone's identity and individuality, and make people afraid to think. It is determined to Zuck your brains out.

We do not even have to participate ourselves to have our privacy compromised. We are all at the mercy of people we know who might chattily post our names and pictures from some birthday party. And that is from people who mean us well. Think what people can do who wish us harm.

Stalkers love fb. Bill collectors love it. Ex-spouses love it. School bullies love it. It has ruined marriages and lives.

It has gotten to the point that we cannot interact with companies online except through their fb pages. I am not going to join facebook and "like" a restaurant just to get a coupon. It was once enough that I gave my email address. At one time we gave our snail-mail addresses to be placed on their mailing lists for sales. But fb is building an evil empire, and companies have bought into it.

I have never been one to follow the crowd.

Thank you, Mr. Wales, and good luck.
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10:05 AM on 09/27/2011
So when you go to a social function in person with your spouse or your partner, you don't let people know that the two of you are dating, married, together etc.? What? So when you sign up for a credit card, a loan, mortgage, a gym membership, buy on-line, use a cell/smart phone, apply for a job that you didn't get and they have your information, surf the net, use Google, Yahoo, or Bing search engines, go to a doctor, talk about personal things in a public place or on your phone, everything is collected and monitored.

...and when did where you went to school become top secret, code X information? LOL! If you were at a social function and you were a guest and didn't know anyone, but the person you came with, if someone asked you in friendly conversation...you would deny them that all important information of where you went to school, or what town you are originally from, your full name, where and what you do for a living etc. etc. etc. You are FULL OF SH#T if you say that you wouldn't give that information free and willing. lol. What a joke. Humans are a funny species, full of sh&t, but funny none the less. ;-)
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GrammaTina
10:34 AM on 09/27/2011
There's a difference between giving information about your life to someone you meet in person, and posting it all on the internet for any creep, whack job or weirdo to use for some nefarious purpose (like identity theft, cyber stalking, or even using your posted information to stalk you in the real world).
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mezzanoche
Jack the Bean Stalker
11:16 AM on 09/27/2011
"Nearly 75 percent of victims knew their stalker in some capacity..."
http://crime.about.com/od/stats/a/stalkingstats.htm

How do thieves steal an identity?
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/microsites/idtheft/consumers/about-identity-theft.html

How do you know the person you are talking to in person is not any of the things you mentioned above? You don't.

Domestic violence: (For all the people that you supposedly "know" & trust in life)
http://www.dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

"About 85 to 90 percent of sexual assaults reported by college women are perpetrated by someone known to the victim; about half occur on a date."
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape-sexual-violence/campus/know-attacker.htm

So there goes your argument, but nice try. Do you even know how to work FB? You only allow the people YOU want to see the information. YOU put the information that YOU want those specific individuals to see and only that. If you want to be more open with it, so be it, if you want to use it to post some links, so be it. Get how it works now? It is a big, bad world out there, you never truly know anyone, don't forget that. I rest my case. Next please. ;-)
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Eris23
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12:26 PM on 09/27/2011
"So when you go to a social function in person with your spouse or your partner, you don't let people know that the two of you are dating, married, together etc.?"

I've no problem with that. But, at various social functions, no, I don't tend to discuss religion or politics and feel no reason to let the others around me know where I stand. I still have the option of whether or not to share that. With Facebook, however, if one isn't smarter about how they browse, such information will be shared with others anyways based on nothing more than a link you click. This isn't about what one is typing into their profile page. It goes much further than that. For example, would your friends need to know if you viewed an article on HPV?
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Jack the Bean Stalker
12:40 PM on 09/27/2011
I have never had any piece of information passed onto FB that wasn't intentionally posted by ME. Period. Now if FB wants to go further with their openness about the users, then that is something that I will make my decision on if and when that issue arises. So far, over the last 4 years on FB and Myspace previous, I have NEVER encountered a scenario even remotely close to the one you described above.
09:42 AM on 09/27/2011
totally agreed. Jimmy Wales is a wise man. Facebook's new apps are their effort to grasp the entire social media market amid the fact that the market will start to differentiate. The problem is that people are tired of "working" on their facebook and people have "different" friend circles to share different activities. (BTW, i don't think google+ is the way to go either.)
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american-dolt
Divide and Conquer
09:32 AM on 09/27/2011
Inching? This little Creep sells anything he can get on you, Facebook uses facial recognition software to put a face to everything (info) you give away to Facebook. Zucker the F'er isn't doing this Service for you.
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09:21 AM on 09/27/2011
Come to think of it I never noticed that Wikipedia didn't have ads, but now that I think of it, how terrific is that?! If ads were a part of it, it would bring the veracity of the information under suspicion. Neutral is desirable, and thankful they are true to their vision.

As to fb, ack. I use it marginally for social contact - a few friends from way back and some family, less than 30 friends and that is how it will stay. I use it more frequently for my nonprofit as people can PURPOSEFULLY subscribe to those posts. No google account. My HP is not linked to fb, nor is my Pandora. If it continues to try sneakily intrude into my brain and personal life, my answer is simple: disconnect. My teen has a solution for fb ads and flags EVERYTHING as offensive for sexually explicit content. Some of my grumpier friends do the same.
09:17 AM on 09/27/2011
FB and Smartphones - keeping the mindless sheep busy for hours and hours as corporate Amerika robs us blind.