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Late Returns: Ron Paul Floats Impeachment Over Al-Awlaki Drone Strike

First Posted: 10/03/2011 6:28 pm Updated: 12/03/2011 4:12 am

The targeted killing of Yemeni-based al-Qaeda "cleric" Anwar Al-Awlaki was guaranteed to be a flashpoint for controversy because it was essentially a White House-sanctioned assassination of an American citizen. Not surprisingly, it was Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) who quickly moved to stake out what will no doubt become the minority position on the GOP side. In the wake of the news of Al-Awlaki's death, Paul made his case to New Hampshire voters:

“That’s not a good way to deal with our problems,” he said of the drone strike in Yemen that killed Awlaki.

“He was born here,” said Paul. “He is an American citizen. He was never tried or charged with any crime. Nobody knows if he killed anyone.”

And Paul said the precedent of striking against Americans, even those suspected of being terrorist masterminds, is not a good one.

“If the American people accept this blindly and casually -- have a precedent of an American president assanating [sic] people who he thinks are bad. I think it that’s sad,” he said.

Today, Politico's Dan Hirschhorn reports that Paul escalated the matter somewhat by suggesting that the specter of impeachment could be raised over this issue:

Asked at a Manchester, N.H., town hall meeting about last week’s killing of the American-born Al Qaeda leader, the Texas congressman said impeachment would be “possible,” but that he wants to know more about how the administration “flouted the law.”

Paul called the killing a movement toward “tyranny.”

“I put responsibility on the president because this is obviously a step in the wrong direction,” Paul said. “We have just totally disrespected the Constitution.”

It's more or less certain that Paul would be on his own trying to make this case in Congress, and, as Hirschhorn points out, this puts Paul "at odds with his Republican rivals" and demonstrates once again that "his foreign policy views stray far from Republican orthodoxy." But on the issue of whether the Al-Awlaki killing represents an abuse of executive power, Paul isn't alone.

As Dave Weigel notes, Herman Cain's position is, "If he's an American citizen, which is the big difference, then he should be charged, and he should be brought to justice." (Cain isn't suggesting Obama get impeached over this, but he has, in the past, opined that impeaching Obama "would be a great thing to do.")

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson (R) also expressed concerns with the Al-Awlaki killing on Hardball tonight, offering, "Maybe I would have done the same thing, but I would have been very transparent about it."

Weigel goes on to note that Paul and Cain are opposed in their stance on Al-Awlaki by Michele Bachmann and, naturally, Rick Santorum, who the media has seemingly cast in the role of the neo-conservative critic of Paul's entire foreign policy portfolio. Odds seem good that Paul and Santorum will get to reprise their foreign policy fight club at the next GOP debate.

(One imagines that given enough time, Bachmann and Santorum could, nevertheless, come up with hundreds of reasons why they think Obama should be impeached.)

[Politico; Weigel @ Slate]

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Since he won Florida's Presidential 5 Straw Poll, Herman Cain has soared in the polls and taken up a new prominence in the newshole. According to SmartPolitics, Cain's coverage has quintupled since notching the P5, "a surge in media coverage that no candidate has achieved since Rick Perry entered the race in mid-August." The news hasn't been all good, however -- in the same period of time, the Cain campaign endured a personnel shake-up as communications director Ellen Carmichael resigned, along with her assistant, Francis Boustany. She'll be replaced by former Department of Defense spokesman J.D. Gordon. [SmartPolitics; CNN; Rumproast]

Steve Kornacki has considered the possibility of Chris Christie 2012 from every conceivable angle. [Salon]

President Obama suggests he is an underdog in the 2012 race. "That sounds about right," say a majority of people polled by ABC News. [ABC News]

When Michele Bachmann is asked what experience she brings to the 2012 race, she tells people that she's been the "tip of the spear" against the Obama White House through her votes in Congress. According to Congressional Quarterly, however, since August, she's mostly been the shaft. [Roll Call]

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Joe Goforth
contempt for the status quo
02:09 PM on 12/01/2011
I think the war on terrorism has crossed the line. If you care about your civil liberties Ron Paul will try to rescue them from the war gods.
05:58 PM on 10/14/2011
Elect Ron Paul in 2012
05:59 PM on 10/07/2011
It seems like a lot of people have their heads between their legs, shouting there is no crime, they are no terroists but afraid to look and see. Today a policeman, firefighter, paramedic, soldier, sailor, airman, marine and Coast guardsman, died or was injured. Saving your life, that of a love one, your home, business concern and making sure this great country is safe. What have you done? Too many complaints about everything. Using your rights to the fullest and beyond. Do something for your country and stop whining.
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Alexander Dunn
upright citizen of the world
01:32 PM on 10/07/2011
But I don't smoke pot. I hope your reply is not intended to paint with a broad stroke those that disagree as lazy pot-smoking, unemployed idiots. You see, because I don't smoke pot, I work incredibly hard and I have aPhD. How 'bout you? Avoid personal attacks - unless you know someone well enough to go there. It would be as if I said to you "Stay on topic and take your Ridalin".
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Streit Rhoades
Sorry Jesus, I'm all out of cheeks.
08:25 AM on 10/06/2011
Ron Paul is so ready with the 'what if?' question, except when it comes to his half-baked, hare-brained plans to de-civilize America. No 'what if?' is even entertained by him then. He knows exactly how his xenophobe/ hermit/ 18th century fantasy will play out. He has absolute certitude in his delusions. He is a nut.
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mero909
None of our comments will matter anyway
03:25 PM on 10/06/2011
You are a bit narrow minded. If that's what you got from Ron Paul's ideas, then you missed it completely.
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Streit Rhoades
Sorry Jesus, I'm all out of cheeks.
06:06 PM on 10/06/2011
I've listened to him pander with his populist opium for years now. He has no answers when the details of his crack-brained Libertaian musings are questioned. It's all theoretical and extremely shallow. No society has ever practiced what Paul imagines and there's good reason for that. People want society and they want civilization and they want the FDA, EPA and other protections that an active government can provide. Paul sings the song of Reagan-"your government is your enemy" and a few fools throw money at him.
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mero909
None of our comments will matter anyway
08:22 AM on 10/06/2011
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/03/30/01456.html

Just FYI... Ron Paul did talk about impeachment against GWB.
08:33 PM on 10/05/2011
Awlaki didnt try to present evidence of innocence, he blatantly preached his guilt for a long time. So, I think that that followed the constitution. Theresa time for everything, a season, im sure you all no that ever so true principle.............
08:17 PM on 10/05/2011
from the wars, some countries were able to establish a democracy process by having a right to vote. we think that is the right thing that makes a country strong and for their people. Why are we having some idiots wanting to change that in America? Well i dont see the President trying to take rights away and especially voting rights. Just because you dont do well in your "game" doesnt mean you get to go change the rules.
07:05 PM on 10/05/2011
Ron Paul did not say "assanating." He very clearly said assassinating, as anybody can verify, since he said it before TV cameras and since it is now on YouTube. I think your reporter is responsible for the misspelling and your copy editor showed ill will by leaving it as is and inserting "[sic]" as if to suggest that Ron Paul had been the source of the reporter's mistake.
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saortolani
Firmly rooted in reality
07:05 PM on 10/05/2011
Al-Awlaki is now enjoying his 25 virgins.

He got exactly what he wanted, and we have one less lunatic to worry about.

3 billion Chinese don't scare me nearly as much as one radical Muslin with a suitcase and a penchant for his virgin-reward.
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Freedom and Peace
War is a bankruptcy of policy
06:33 PM on 10/05/2011
More truth for those who continue to deny the Constitution or rule of law...

http://youtu.be/Ho99a0rIL2M
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Davidshapley
12:45 PM on 10/05/2011
The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, one of the most important protections in our Bill of Rights says in part: “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury…nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law…”
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Your name here
When nothing goes right, Go Left.
01:56 PM on 10/05/2011
Constitutional protections of US citizens end at the limit of US territory.
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Sock Monkey
Deceive. Inveigle. Obfuscate. The DC mantra.
05:47 PM on 10/05/2011
WRONG. The government cannot accuse you of crimes, not even have a trail in abstenia, and then provide you with the DEATH PENALTY just because you are not in the country.

Facetious to say otherwise.
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Jason Crittenten
11:35 AM on 10/05/2011
Ron Paul talks about his comment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ISg6u7tPRU&t=2m32s
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VictoryBlue
Motorcycle rider, Legalization supporter, Texan
11:16 AM on 10/05/2011
Like the old saying goes, "You kill one man and they call you a murderer, You kill thousands and they call you a hero."
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Freedom and Peace
War is a bankruptcy of policy
09:29 AM on 10/05/2011
Was Anwar al-Awlaki still a U.S. citizen?

Short answer, yes.

It was once possible to lose one's U.S. citizenshi­p by fighting in another country's army against the United States -- whether Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula counts as an army is another question -- but as the legal blog Opinion Juris explained on Twitter this morning, the Supreme Court has found that unconstitu­tional under the 14th ammendment­. Ironically­, the virulently anti-Semit­ic cleric's citizenshi­p was protected by a case that involved a dual U.S.-Israe­li citizen fighting to keep his U.S. citizenshi­p after voting in an Israeli election.

In order to lose his citizenshi­p, it must be shown that the U.S. citizen joined the foreign military or swore allegiance to another state "with the intention of relinquish­ing United States nationalit­y" -- a very tough standard. There's no evidence that Awlaki ever formally renounced his U.S. citizenshi­p.

A bill was introduced in the House last year by Rep. Charles Dent (R-Penn.) which would have stripped Awlaki of his citizenshi­p on the basis that his calls for attacks against the United States constitute­d a voluntary relinquish­ment, but it never made it out of subcommitt­ee. In any event, the Obama adminsitra­tion never denied Awlaki's citizenshi­p when it targeted him for assassination.

http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/09/30/was_anwar_al_awlaki_still_a_us_citizen