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Karzai: Pakistan Props Up Taliban

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First Posted: 10/07/11 12:36 PM ET Updated: 12/07/11 05:12 AM ET

By DEB RIECHMANN -- The Associated Press

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- As the war in Afghanistan hit the 10-year mark Friday, President Hamid Karzai claimed the Taliban are being propped up by neighboring Pakistan, saying the militants can't lift a finger without the Pakistanis.

The war will only end when something is done to rout insurgents from their sanctuaries across the border in Pakistan, Karzai said in an interview with the BBC that aired on Friday, exactly 10 years after the U.S. and its allies invaded Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001.

The invasion was aimed at toppling the hard-line Taliban regime and punishing it for giving safe harbor to al-Qaida, which orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States. Over the years, the U.S.-led coalition became mired in a battle against insurgents who have been weakened by international troops yet continue to plant bombs and stage suicide attacks and assassinations of top Afghan figures.

"Definitely, the Taliban will not be able to move a finger without Pakistani support," Karzai said. "The fact is the Taliban were and are stationed, in terms of their political headquarters and operational headquarters, in Pakistan. We all know that. The Pakistanis know that. We know that."

Militant sanctuaries in Pakistan won't go away unless the government of Pakistan cooperates with Afghanistan and the international community finds an effective way to remove the hide-outs, he said.

"We're not saying this in a manner of accusation and reprimand," Karzai added, trying not to inflame already strained relations between the two nations. "We are saying this in a manner of a statement intended towards a solution of the problem."
Pakistan maintains it cut off ties to the Taliban and other militants following the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, but Washington and Kabul say otherwise.

President Barack Obama said Thursday that Pakistan was "hedging its bets" by maintaining ties to militant groups trying to undermine the Afghan government. Obama also acknowledged that the United States has not been able to persuade Pakistan that the U.S. goals of a stable Afghanistan pose no threat to Pakistan.

Just-retired Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen went further, recently calling the Taliban-affiliated Haqqani insurgent network a "veritable arm" of the Pakistani intelligence agency. Mullen also alleged that Pakistani intelligence supported militants who mounted a recent 20-hour rocket attack on the U.S. Embassy and NATO headquarters in the capital, Kabul.

In the wide-ranging interview, Karzai candidly said the Afghan government and international allies have failed to provide security for the Afghan people. He also said that his government wants to talk to the Taliban, but doesn't know where to contact legitimate representatives of the insurgency.

Former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani, who was leading the government's U.S.-backed effort to talk peace with the Taliban, was killed Sept. 20 by an assassin who claimed to be an emissary from the Taliban. Upon meeting Rabbani, the killer detonated explosives he had tucked into his turban -- a deadly blast that dealt a major setback to efforts to find a political resolution to the war.

The Afghan government with support from its international allies has been making peace overtures to the Taliban for years. But after Rabbani's death, Karzai shifted his policy, saying he was giving up trying to talk to alleged Taliban envoys. He said Pakistan holds the only key to making peace with insurgents and must do more to support reconciliation.

"We have not said we will not talk to them (the Taliban)," Karzai said. "We've said we don't know who to talk to.

"We're not dealing with an identifiable individual as a representative of the Taliban, or a place that we can knock on and say, 'Well, here we are. We want to talk to you.'"

"Until that place emerges -- an address and a representative -- we will not be able to talk to the Taliban because we don't know where to find them," he said.

The Taliban have not claimed responsibility for Rabbani's death.

Asked what needs to be improved in Afghanistan, Karzai acknowledged, "We've done terribly badly in providing security to the Afghan people and this is the greatest shortcoming of our government and of our international partners. What we should do is provide better and a more predictable environment of security to the Afghan citizens and in that, the international community and the Afghan government definitely have failed."

Violence continued Friday with attacks on at least three coalition posts in Paktika province near the Pakistan border.

A suicide bomber detonated a vehicle packed with explosives near the entrance to Combat Outpost Margah, which had also been hit with 22 rockets, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. Combat Forward Operating Base Tillman was hit with a half-dozen rockets and Forward Operating Base Boris was struck with two.
No deaths were reported among NATO service members.

Separately, the U.S.-led coalition said Friday that it is conducting an investigation to determine how a NATO service member died in southern Afghanistan. NATO did not disclose any other details about what led to the service member's death on Thursday.

So far this year, 458 NATO troops have been killed in Afghanistan. The death is the fourth so far this month.

In the capital, former Afghan Attorney General Abdul Jabar Sabet went missing Thursday afternoon after he was attacked by two gunman, said Mohammad Zahir, the chief of criminal investigation for the Kabul police.
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Associated Press Writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Matt Ford in Paktika contributed to this report.
(This version CORRECTS monthly death toll to four).)

A suicide bomber detonated a vehicle packed with explosives near the entrance to Combat Outpost Margah, which had also been hit with 22 rockets, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene. Combat Forward Operating Base Tillman was hit with a half-dozen rockets and Forward Operating Base Boris was struck with two.

In Washington, President Barack Obama noted the anniversary in a quiet style, offering a written statement and holding no public events to mark the moment. He said the United States is safer thanks to the sacrifice of troops, diplomats and intelligence analysts during the war.

Obama saluted the more than 1,700 U.S. troops who have died, along with the coalition and Afghan forces killed. He said that because of the effort, "our citizens are safer and our nation is more secure."

Afghan President Hamid Karzai claimed the Taliban are being propped up by Pakistan, saying the militants can't lift a finger without the Pakistanis.

The war will only end when something is done to rout insurgents from their sanctuaries across the border in Pakistan, Karzai said in an interview with the BBC that aired on Friday, exactly 10 years after the U.S. and its allies invaded Afghanistan on Oct. 7, 2001.

The invasion was aimed at toppling the hard-line Taliban regime and punishing it for giving safe harbor to al-Qaida, which orchestrated the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States. Over the years, the U.S.-led coalition became mired in a battle against insurgents who have been weakened by international troops yet continue to plant bombs and stage suicide attacks and assassinations of top Afghan figures.

"Definitely, the Taliban will not be able to move a finger without Pakistani support," Karzai said. "The fact is the Taliban were and are stationed, in terms of their political headquarters and operational headquarters, in Pakistan. We all know that. The Pakistanis know that. We know that."

Militant sanctuaries in Pakistan won't go away unless the government of Pakistan cooperates with Afghanistan and the international community finds an effective way to remove the hide-outs, he said.

"We're not saying this in a manner of accusation and reprimand," Karzai added, trying not to inflame already strained relations between the two nations. "We are saying this in a manner of a statement intended towards a solution of the problem."

Pakistan maintains it cut off ties to the Taliban and other militants following the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, but Washington and Kabul say otherwise.

Obama said Thursday that Pakistan was "hedging its bets" by maintaining ties to militant groups trying to undermine the Afghan government. Obama also acknowledged that the United States has not been able to persuade Pakistan that the U.S. goals of a stable Afghanistan pose no threat to Pakistan.

Just-retired Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen went further, recently calling the Taliban-affiliated Haqqani insurgent network a "veritable arm" of the Pakistani intelligence agency. Mullen also alleged that Pakistani intelligence supported militants who mounted a recent 20-hour rocket attack on the U.S. Embassy and NATO headquarters in the capital, Kabul.

In the wide-ranging interview, Karzai candidly said the Afghan government and international allies have failed to provide security for the Afghan people. He also said that his government wants to talk to the Taliban, but doesn't know where to contact legitimate representatives of the insurgency.

Former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani, who was leading the government's U.S.-backed effort to talk peace with the Taliban, was killed Sept. 20 by an assassin who claimed to be an emissary from the Taliban. Upon meeting Rabbani, the killer detonated explosives he had tucked into his turban - a deadly blast that dealt a major setback to efforts to find a political resolution to the war.

The Afghan government with support from its international allies has been making peace overtures to the Taliban for years. But after Rabbani's death, Karzai shifted his policy, saying he was giving up trying to talk to alleged Taliban envoys. He said Pakistan holds the only key to making peace with insurgents and must do more to support reconciliation.

"We have not said we will not talk to them (the Taliban)," Karzai said. "We've said we don't know who to talk to.

"We're not dealing with an identifiable individual as a representative of the Taliban, or a place that we can knock on and say, 'Well, here we are. We want to talk to you.'"

"Until that place emerges - an address and a representative - we will not be able to talk to the Taliban because we don't know where to find them," he said.

The Taliban have not claimed responsibility for Rabbani's death.

Asked what needs to be improved in Afghanistan, Karzai acknowledged, "We've done terribly badly in providing security to the Afghan people and this is the greatest shortcoming of our government and of our international partners. What we should do is provide better and a more predictable environment of security to the Afghan citizens and in that, the international community and the Afghan government definitely have failed."

Meanwhile, the U.S.-led coalition said Friday that it is conducting an investigation to determine how a NATO service member died in southern Afghanistan. NATO did not disclose any other details about what led to the service member's death on Thursday.

So far this year, 458 NATO troops have been killed in Afghanistan. The death is the fourth so far this month.

In the capital, former Afghan Attorney General Abdul Jabar Sabet went missing Thursday afternoon after he was attacked by two gunman, said Mohammad Zahir, the chief of criminal investigation for the Kabul police.

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Associated Press Writers Amir Shah in Kabul and Matt Ford in Paktika contributed to this report.

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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
06:18 PM on 10/10/2011
Yes, I fo realize that this is unrealted but why in the world does russia have such a big oproblem with europe using the missle shield program anyways?It's not like any one in europe is going to send missles flying into russia and I for one think the shield is a very wise and a very smart and protective tool.Russia could install their own shield if they havn't already done so and i would say they more than likely did some time agao.The thing is,this does not pose ny type of a threat to russia at all so why don't they just ignore it and let it lye?Like i said i would not be one bit surprised if russia had installed a missle shield of their own some time agao
puffadder
The truth is ONE!
07:13 PM on 10/09/2011
Also spracht crooked Karzai! The quicker we get out of Afghanistan the quicker peace will come to that area of the world. Karzai is worse than a combination of Ghadaffis and Mubaraks, who is becoming rich richer and richest at our expense while American boys and girls offer their lives on the altar of war.
Obama end this fiasco NOW!
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intellifran
insert clever line here...
08:14 AM on 10/10/2011
LOL!! The quicker peace will come? Yeah right.
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patman77
01:41 PM on 10/08/2011
w and cheniburton knew this all along.
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Charles Queen
I am a disabled nam vet
01:37 PM on 10/08/2011
BVery pssible.One thing they left out was the fact that Iran has always supported the Taliban/al-quaeda insurgents and other fanatical groups.Iran has been the number one supporter etc of terrorist groups for a very very long time drom supplyinweapons to building training camps for them in places such as africa among a long list of other places.To even think that Iran has given up with this prcatice is to walk around with blinders on evryday.No,they certainly do not need Pakistan to hold them up at all ut it certainly soed help them lot,the more major country' that support them etc ll the better fo the terrorsits,fanatical groups and insurgetns operating everywhere
11:52 AM on 10/08/2011
I think Karzai is at least being Honest, I think he is tiring from the never ending war & he brings up some interesting points. this is my speculation - but on the matter of the assassination of Rabbani, who was attempting peace talks with the Taliban, the Taliban didn't claim responsibility for that, so who gains by stopping possible peace talks with Taliban? Pakistan possibly? and in the matter of Osama Bin Laden, if you were him & wanted to hide wouldn't you go to friends who would probably have your back? - again Pakistan & maybe Pakistan likes the security of having the Taliban sitting on their neighbor like a parasite, to Insure they (Afghanistan) don't get too strong? also Karzai"s recent move to ally with India speaks volumes.
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Yasser Yousufi
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01:46 PM on 10/08/2011
Totally worthless analysis~!
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Ex-Fed
11:25 AM on 10/08/2011
It is past time to Step Away From The Chalupa! I don't see these people changing for decades, and does anyone think we can afford another decade over there? Think what all the good that money we have wasted could have done back home.
10:47 PM on 10/07/2011
The problem in Afghanistan is that Karzai says," The militants can't lift a finger without Pakistanis" and Pakistanis say that Karzai can't lift a finger without the West. Afghans need a leader who can be trusted by some-one.
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Luuke
11:40 PM on 10/07/2011
Never trust what the Pakis say .....Just show them a few $$$ bills and they'll play both sides....Those drones numbers need to increase ten fold....
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Yasser Yousufi
Parthian
01:54 AM on 10/08/2011
Yea let us all trust the wise judgements of CIA and Pentagon and start killing everyone we disagree with~! Those drones will create hundreds of Faisal Shehzads for you eventually. That's just according to plain Law of Motion~! Maybe that is what CIA wants to continue this perpetual war
12:25 AM on 10/08/2011
Would you believe General McChrystal? Check http://ofthisandthat.org/LP10072011.html
09:35 PM on 10/07/2011
No s__t! Most people have known that for years.
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UncleJimbo
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09:07 PM on 10/07/2011
This comming from a guy who can't lift a finger without the US say so!........Ha!
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The ORF in Largo
Louder than a fart a hurricane
06:36 PM on 10/07/2011
10 years and all we have to show for the loss of our troops and money is Krazy Karzai,mayor of
Kabul, who will be dead within a month of our departure. This was a bad move from the start
and has only gotten worse. Take out the poppy fields and let them reurn to the Iron Age
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Yasser Yousufi
Parthian
06:01 PM on 10/07/2011
Karzai just starts babbling the moment he gets a kick in the rear from US Army. The other day he was coaxing Pakistan saying Pakistan and Afghanistan are like twin brothers. I just think he has gone bonkers, having seen his closest people meet their fate. He knows his time is up too~! Afghans aren't known to be merciful to traitors.
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05:34 PM on 10/07/2011
The U.S. is being played by both Afghanistan and Pakistan... and we are sending our tax dollars to both, aren't we? Why don't we just cut both of these countries loose to deal with their problems on their own? And if they harbor and support terrorist? Sanction them and add them to the list...
10:24 PM on 10/07/2011
good point
05:04 PM on 10/07/2011
And this comes from Karzai who is playing both sides. What's the problem realized that Al Queda and the Taliban decided you needed to die? When you play both sides hedgeing you bets with Pakistan, Al Queda and Taliban and the U.S ,someone is going to burn you.
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Nick Montana
04:50 PM on 10/07/2011
What Karzai is saying isn't a secret. The veterans of the guerrilla war against the USSR in Afghanistan were wholly supported, trained, and financed through the Pakistani ISI and their loyalties haven't shifted since then. Before bin Laden was killed, it was even mainstream to postulate that Pakistan was likely protecting him and it's almost 100% certain they're protecting Mullah Omar and others. Afghanistan is impotent against the Taliban and even now Americans have little clue exactly how near-impossible it is to drive out a force that is inherent to the country and why we've been losing for a long time. If Pakistan was fully committed against the Taliban insurgents, the picture would be completely different, but as reality stands, that just won't happen. We have no business in Afghanistan and we are not going to win anything but bloodshed and enormous debts for it.

When the Taliban had taken over and declared the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, Pakistan was one of only a handful of nations that recognized their government. Influential elements of the ISI are still there, still in power, and directing their loyalties in protecting and financing the insurgency way more than the interests of an occupying US and US-installed regime in Afghanistan. Accept it.
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Peter Combs
Amused by the illogical..no, NOT a Republican
04:47 PM on 10/07/2011
Karzai, is a gangster, drug lord along with his surviving brother..totally corrupt.

That said, Pakistan is one of the most populous countries in the world, it is MORE corrupt than Afghanistan by miles, the have been harboring the Taliban in exchange for their assistance in fighting India for years. If anyone believes they didn't know Usama was living in a massive house near a military base ..well you're an idiot. The Pakistani Secret Police are brutal, powerful and they know everything...and Lets not forget..Pakistan has NUKES...and Radical Islam is gaining power there, Political Power..they are building Madrassas. AS bad as karzai is...yes he is bad, but on ths issue he knows what he's talking about.