Occupy Wall Street: Mark Rudd, Former Radical Leader, Reacts To Protests

Occupy Wall Street

First Posted: 10/07/11 06:59 PM ET Updated: 10/07/11 06:59 PM ET

Mark Rudd was once a leader of an organization that advocated for the violent overthrow of the American government.

He is also the ex-husband of this reporter's mom.

In 1968, he led the occupation of five buildings on Columbia's campus to protest the university's funding of the Vietnam War. In many ways, he became the face of student organizing and mass protests. He traveled the country speaking at various schools and had his picture featured in the New York Times and Newsweek.

Rudd's formerly peaceful activism with the Students for a Democratic Society was abandoned in 1969 when he joined the Weathermen, a group of young white men and women who believed that any means necessary, including violence, was required to bring capitalism down.

His endorsement of violence is something Rudd now greatly regrets, as he mentions repeatedly in his book Underground: My Life with SDS and the Weathermen. He's careful to assert that his extreme approach was adopted during a time of severe racism and repression and in the midst of the unjust Vietnam War. Still, he acknowledges that promoting violence was counterproductive.

"To act as if we could build a true revolutionary, anti-imperialist movement at a time when what we really should have been doing was uniting as many people as possible to end the war was a terrible mistake," Mark told the Weekly Alibi in 2009. "It's like taking a victory and turning it into defeat."

The now retired math teacher spoke with The Huffington Post about his take on the current protests that have sprung up across the country and the challenges the Occupy Wall Street movement faces. The interview has been condensed and edited.

What was your first reaction when you heard about Occupy Wall Street?
It's thrilling to see young people taking action on social, political and moral issues. I've been waiting a long time for this. This is well timed in terms of the economic and political crisis that the country is experiencing. It's a great response.

What do you think of the charge that protesters lack concrete demands?
The whole slogan of the protest is that one percent of the country owns and controls the entire government. That implies all sorts of demands. That's a pseudo-liberal phony criticism. Liberals in general, I use that word in the historic sense, the way we used it 40 years ago, as apposed to radicals, but Liberals are scared by upheaval. A radical analysis goes down to the root of the problem. The root is the terrible imbalance in this country.

What do you see as the biggest challenges Occupy Wall Street faces?
Maybe my biggest fear is that there might not be an evolution of the movement towards politics. That was part of the problem with the New Left. It never coalesced around politicos. That's not a criticism of Occupy Wall Street. But there has to be some eventual movement toward strategy and power and the only possible movement toward politics is a transformation of the Democratic party. Or you could form a third party, but those never work. It's gonna have to mean supporting progressive Democrats everywhere.

What do you see as the key differences between the Weathermen and Occupy Wall Street?
They're involved with real down-to-earth issues. Tax the rich, give the people power. We had a fantasy of revolution. Secondly, we were committed to a crazy notion of violent revolution. We are the 99 percent is a brilliant slogan. It's a metaphor. They are much smarter than we were. They understand the power of non-violence.

Were you surprised at how the movement has progressed and how many other demonstrations have sprouted up?
In a way I'm not, because I know there are thousands of people who were waiting to take action. It's gotta grow to a mass thing and it will, hopefully.


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Mark Rudd was once a leader of an organization that advocated for the violent overthrow of the American government. He is also the ex-husband of this reporter's mom. In 1968, he led the occupati...
Mark Rudd was once a leader of an organization that advocated for the violent overthrow of the American government. He is also the ex-husband of this reporter's mom. In 1968, he led the occupati...
 
 
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Melody Breyer-Grell
Singer, Writer, Recording Artist
02:31 AM on 10/31/2011
Nice article, it is always good to hear from older and wiser revolutionaries who have expanded their world view. Wish the piece was longer:) but the bio might be worth a read.

I fervently hope that Occupy W. S. evolves into a larger movement, including people taking responsibilities in even small ways, less cars, better transportation, better management of individual funds, and the acceptance that there is a hole to dig out of personally, while also keeping the gov't accountable. Everyone is culpable for this bubble that was created and burst. As heinous as the banks are people have to learn there if it sounds to good to be true it is, even if the MAN say is it is ok (sub-prime loans as an example) for you, it might not be.

Smart people who accrued huge losses in the stock market in the tech bubble should have not forgotten what happened such a short time ago. I could go on, but this is not my article. Finally the most important thing to have now is family and or friends and community, to help out, because I fear that depending on the gov't to hold it together has failed many Americans.
09:04 PM on 10/29/2011
Imploring VFP Board to invoke for protection Rev King's Wall St. wars condemning phrases that also will turn OWS from main focus on money to US homicide abroad.

BEFORE SOME OF OUR VETERANS DEMONSTRATING IN OCCUPY WALL STREET ARE GET KILLED
without the protection of national hero clergy Rev. Dr. King international image to protect them.

VFP Nation Endorsed back in August

International Campaign for Awareness of King's Condemnation of U.S. Wars and the "unjust overseas predatory investments they are meant to maintain."
http://kingcondemneduswars.blogspot.com/
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donk970
Hard working member of the 99%
03:21 PM on 10/28/2011
We'll know if the OWS movement has gotten a real foothold. The militant tea party lapdogs of the 1% will turn violent.
01:55 AM on 10/12/2011
Finally, the Reagan era has come to an end.
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AlexNYC
Pumps dont work cause the vandals took the handles
12:08 PM on 10/12/2011
Let's hope so. Reagan co-opted patriotism and made it appear that if you protest you were being anti-american. That's what many of the critics of Occupy Wall Street are doing today, attempting to color them as lazy hippie radicals. The protesters are a mix of unemployed, underemployed, disenfranchized, uninsured, college grads unable to find work, basically the unrepresented 99% which the government ignores because they don't have financial influence.

We need to get big money and corporate influence out of our government.
03:33 PM on 10/11/2011
What I don't agree with is that people are presupposing they need to support the democrats to get this message across. I am a republican and I agree with the message from these protestors. Many people think republicans are just for the rich. Not true. My republican friends are all lower to middle class and support these protestors. President Bush gave a trillion dollars to Wall Street - shame on him. President Obama gave a trillion dollars to Wall Street also - shame on him too. Politicians are associated with big money, for that is how they get elected. I cannot raise a million dollars to run for anything. I don't see this as democrat or republican, but as the American way, for us all to have an equal chance, like the protestors are saying. Don't let democrats fool you. They say they care about us, but most of them come from old family money. Wall Street and the democrats and republicans are all married together. Think like an American instead of a split party purveyor and help our country without violence, but instead use logic and reasoning and the truth. It will get you further along.
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PWM
Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
11:36 AM on 10/28/2011
I agree. But I don't think the protesters will be lulled into believing the DNC will actually support them. This movement is global and composed of people sick of the status quo. If change does not come from above it will come from below, and history shows when change comes from below it is messy.
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donk970
Hard working member of the 99%
03:23 PM on 10/28/2011
Yes I absolutely agree. Our two main political parties are like pistons attached to the same crankshaft. They both serve the same master while appearing to be at odds with each other. It's all just drama to keep the proletariat from noticing that they are not in control of anything.
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KarmaPatrol
Fair and balanced and sugar-free
12:14 PM on 10/11/2011
Yes as winter approaches, the occupy movement eventually will need to infiltrate and occupy the districts of key Republicans and Tea Party reps and turn into a political force for good.

Wear the button down or polo shirt, find a job (albeit temporary), but never forget when you go to the ballot box in 2012. Clean up, dust off, and infiltrate. Make a difference through civic duty.

After this, make sure you never borrow for cheap consumeristic kwapola, and make doubly-sure you never borrow against your home for consumerism in the future.
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BoshSpong
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12:35 PM on 10/28/2011
Agree, but for one item - we need the continuing presence to maintain focus on the urgency of the issues.

It has to be a two pronged attack, on one side look to ellect folks that are against the rigged system and maintain the heat by continuing protests so politicians do not forget.

The MSM and FOX will reinterpret the movement and reframe the dialogue - constant presence is required until change comes.

I predict that the protests will grow - the police will crack more heads, some folks will even die and the movement will flare up until it is taken very seriously by the powers that be.

This is not going to be a cake walk.
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enemyofgod72
I do not care if you like me
08:26 PM on 10/10/2011
I disagree with Mr Rudd on one point but it is a major one. The protest needs to stay and remain apolitical not embrace either of the current major parties. The system is not just broken it is fundamentally flawed. If the protestors make this a political movement it will be enveloped by the Dems and die. Remaining massive and leaderless is the key to changing the system. Both parties have to not try to usurp it but fear it. I pray for radical change but it will stop dead in it's tracks if it begins supporting either party. Politicians one and only goal is to get elected and stay in power which has created the never ending campaign. They have stopped being servants of the people and servants solely to money. That is the problem and becoming a part of that system won't fix a damn thing. We have to fundamentally change the system. That change will be radical and that change will be painful but it is of the utmost importance.
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
08:58 PM on 10/11/2011
As long as the movement remains apolitical it will remain impotent. Voters are responsible for the governments that they elect. It is time that the voters grew up, did their homework and accepted responsibility for those they send to Washington.
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BoshSpong
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12:39 PM on 10/28/2011
John Stewart's gathering in Washington comes to mind - a big protest and gathering without a clear objective will simply fade away as a modern day woodstock.

The movement should promote and elect people that will represent the 99%'s interests.
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Notmybrotherskeeper
Have trust and faith in yourself, not government.
02:08 PM on 10/10/2011
These old hippies....couldn't stand the U.S. in the 60s and looks like not much has changed.
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enemyofgod72
I do not care if you like me
08:32 PM on 10/10/2011
Understanding that our government and financial systems are broken doesn't make someone unpatriotic as you are suggesting. What is patriotic is seeing that the system is broken and speaking out about it. You may disagree or have a different opinion but there is nothing more patriotic than speaking up for what you feel is right. That goes for the Wall St protestors and the Tea Party activists. I may disagree completely with the Tea Party's message but I 100% stand up for their right to stand up and speak up.
02:08 PM on 10/11/2011
You're a rare liberal
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jonnyquest
here to tell the truth
10:49 AM on 10/11/2011
Did you post this during a commercial on Fox? Shame on you, you missed the one about a hair piece.
Be quiet, you nothing nothing to contribute here.
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BoshSpong
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12:43 PM on 10/28/2011
He already got the scooter, fully paid by Medicare...
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intellectualTradition
corruptisima re publica plurimae leges
12:52 PM on 10/10/2011
so the author of this article is actually a 2nd generation loser. how quaint.
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jonnyquest
here to tell the truth
10:50 AM on 10/11/2011
Wow, you've figured out his life story in one column. I'm sure you've contributed alot in your life.
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Caleb Owens
02:30 PM on 10/12/2011
Lack of understanding of biology? Check. Jump to assumptions with no evidence? Check. Resort to name calling? Check. Are you Conservative or Libertarian?
08:02 AM on 10/09/2011
In reference to the occupation of Wall street, and in general, what is going on through out our country I have four words "where have you been"? I was thinking the flame of the 60's had died. I was thinking that everyone was so into there own thing that no one cared about the big picture. This has proved one thing and that is that there is hope!
Don't stop what your doing until you have changed the world. We are only here for a short time and our lives as indiviuals are only meaningful if we effect the big picture. Roll on!-GQ
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Notmybrotherskeeper
Have trust and faith in yourself, not government.
02:12 PM on 10/10/2011
These youngsters have no idea what they're even talking about. Maybe when they shed their Old Navy and Banana Republic corporate garb and give their smart-phones back to The Man we can start to take them a little more seriously.
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enemyofgod72
I do not care if you like me
08:38 PM on 10/10/2011
You may want to start looking at the protests again. I'm getting tired of all this "oh they are just a new generation of young hippies" BS! The original protestors were mainly the young but this has grown beyond a single generation standing up, they are all races, all creeds, all colors and all ages. Try listening to something other than the lies you're getting from Fox News that these are just a bunch of young hippies dropping out and hanging out. They are trying to change our broken political and financial systems for themselves and for you too. If you think they don't know what they're talking about then you haven't been listening.
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Bella Lee
03:03 PM on 10/12/2011
After 3 1/2 weeks you still don't understand what OWS is protesting?
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El Chingaso
Fighting for mental superiority...
12:40 PM on 10/08/2011
Those NYPD cops -- at least percent of them in the photos -- need to ease off the donuts. Those waistlines are just a little too rotund.
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thatsNotWhatIHeard
some people want tacos, others want ALL the tacos
02:58 PM on 10/08/2011
It occured to me at Zuccoti park the other day that in the 7 years I've been in NYC, I've never seen a short, skinny NYPD cop. They're almost uniformly tall and look like they've been hitting the weightroom fairly regularly; I seriously wonder if there's a height / weight requirement to being in the NYPD
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06:30 PM on 10/08/2011
You need to get out more.
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Morena
¡Diga toda la verdad. Siempre!
08:32 PM on 10/08/2011
What imaginary NYC are you living in?
12:00 PM on 10/08/2011
The size of the present day protests are nothing compared to the numbers generated by the anti war demonstartions in the 60's..these seem to be anti-capitalist demonstartions..or they could be called anti-American demos since we are a captialist country. Capitalism made us great --not :"spreading the wealth"
MarkJudiGoet
Diogenes was an optimist
01:18 PM on 10/08/2011
While I agree with you that capitalism made us great, it only worked when it was leveling the playing field, it's not working when it creates an aristocracy, so I have to take exception with your categorization of OWS as Anti-American, no country can be termed " GREAT " when its government responds almost solely to those who pay it the most, as ours does.
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PWM
Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
12:03 PM on 10/28/2011
What made us great were the unions who gave us a middle class.
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enemyofgod72
I do not care if you like me
08:45 PM on 10/10/2011
I'm sorry I thought we were a democracy not a capitalist state. There is nothing more American than standing up and exercising your 1st Amendment right to free speech and free assembly. Capitalism is destroying our country along with a failed and inherently flawed monetary system. Standing up to try and change that is the most American thing anyone can do. Try googling "fractional reserve banking" or "fiat money" and maybe you can post an actual educated comment.
11:40 AM on 10/08/2011
It's great that a figurehead hasn't emerged out of 'occupy wall st'. Once some dashing young man or women is front and center you know the movement has lost its effectiveness.. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!...
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thatsNotWhatIHeard
some people want tacos, others want ALL the tacos
03:00 PM on 10/08/2011
exactly! and it gives those opposed an easy target for ridicule, etc etc, to cheapen the voices of thousands
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enemyofgod72
I do not care if you like me
08:47 PM on 10/10/2011
100% on the money. A leaderless movement is nearly impossible to be co-opted by one party or the other. The Tea Party lost any chance to become a true force as soon as the GOP took it over.
08:29 AM on 10/08/2011
bring back the weather underground
moccasinmike
retreat hell
02:45 PM on 10/08/2011
gonna remember that comment
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geeman108
06:54 PM on 10/09/2011
Go to Hell
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
12:59 PM on 10/11/2011
ES&D yourself.
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ReasonIsMyReligion
Don't know much micro-bio-logy
06:35 AM on 10/08/2011
Join in the Folk Song Army.
Ready... Aim... Sing!

(Per Tom Lehrer.)

The 99ers are bringing back the 60's. And it's about time.
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teacher39years
Educational Reformers need to be "Reformed."
01:59 PM on 10/08/2011
Great post. Fanned and Faved.
Bogym
Evolution/science?,,
10:12 PM on 10/08/2011
If you use reason as religion. You are irrational. YOu cannot explain MIRACLES! Look around you. What do you see that you can REASONABLY explain without being amazed by it's existance? Gould tried with all his heart to explain existance. His problem was so obvious, he was blinded by it.Vanity..Just like Dawkins..the more he talks the more foolish he sounds...So go ahead and be an atheist and dwell within your mind about being a person of reason..Life is short and you are free to do so....but when you die,,it's not your choice anymore!that's when you pay! I know what I am talking about! I lived on that boat of reason until it sunk off the coast of pseudo science.,steered by atheist scientist!..The 99 to refer to..is nonsense!
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AllShookUp
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12:31 PM on 10/10/2011
Oh, please.
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PWM
Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
12:06 PM on 10/28/2011
Since there are no miracles, but only stories of miracles. I will state on that subject what Thomas Paine did.

Millions of lies are told everyday. So it is millions to one that the reporter of a miracle is telling a lie.