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Romney In A 'Cult,' Don't Vote For Him, Pastor Says

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By KASIE HUNT   10/ 7/11 10:10 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- The pastor who introduced Texas Gov. Rick Perry at a conservative gathering Friday said rival presidential candidate Mitt Romney is not a Christian and is in a cult because he is a Mormon.

Robert Jeffress, the senior pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas, made similar remarks about Romney when he ran in the 2008 campaign. Event organizers at the Values Voters Summit selected Jeffress to introduce Perry, but the Perry campaign was consulted about the choice and approved Jeffress to introduce the Texas governor.

Jeffress endorsed Perry at the event and introduced him as "a proven leader, a true conservative, and a committed follower of Christ."

After his remarks, Jeffress told reporters that Perry's religion is different from Romney's.

"Rick Perry's a Christian. He's an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ," Jeffress said. "Mitt Romney's a good moral person, but he's not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity."

Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.

Perry and his campaign made clear that he disagrees with Jeffress.

Asked by reporters Friday night in Tiffin, Iowa, whether Mormonism is a cult, Perry replied, "No."

Earlier Friday, spokesman Mark Miner said that "the governor does not believe Mormonism is a cult."

Still, the campaign refused to definitively say whether they were accepting his offered endorsement. "The governor is running a campaign of inclusion and looks forward to receiving the endorsement of many people," Miner said. "People can endorse whoever they like."

Jeffress had made similar comments about Romney before, during the former Massachusetts governor's first presidential run in 2008.

"Mitt Romney is a Mormon, and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Even though he talks about Jesus as his lord and savior, he is not a Christian," Jeffress said in a 2007 sermon. "Mormonism is not Christianity. Mormonism is a cult. And just because somebody talks about Jesus does not make them a believer."

In that sermon, Jeffress said he was frustrated that some religious leaders had backed Romney anyway. "What really distresses me is some of my ministerial friends, and even leaders in our convention, say, `Well, he talks about Jesus, we talk about Jesus, what's the big deal?' It is a big deal."

The campaign initially said the decision to have Jeffress introduce Perry had been made strictly by organizers, but a Perry spokesman told The Associated Press Friday night that the campaign had agreed to it.

"It was their suggestion; it was their choice of who introduced us. They asked our campaign what we thought, and we said OK," Miner said.

Jeffress is a prominent religious leader in Texas. His First Baptist Church has more than 10,000 members. In 2009, Perry recognized Jeffress by name during his speech at a dinner for the Light of Life dinner and gala in Dallas.

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AP reporter Charles Babington in Tiffin, Iowa, contributed to this report.

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04:51 AM on 10/22/2011
Disclaimer, I am active LDS my opinion is just mine, I don’t speak for the church. You guys have got this argument down very close but not quite. The major distinction of what separates LDS from most born again Christians is how we currently view the nature of God and this is determined by what the 381 ad creed states. And it states basically the idea that the father son and the holy ghost are the same personage, they are 3 but they are 1 and must be understood by faith. The LDS belief that the father, son and holy ghost are the god head and represent one purpose but are three separate beings so we literally believe that when Jesus is praying to his father on earth he is really praying to his actual father not himself. Remember the 381ad conference’s reason for existence was to determine this among other doctrines the church was having trouble with at the time. And guess who won the day? Well it certainly was not LDS thought about the father son and holy ghost being separate and distinct. There was a large faction in the church that believed this, however, they simply lost. I think it is a weak argument on the part of born again Christians. As one LDS would say to another “Go pray about it, God will tell you in your heart and mind what is true and what you should do by the power of the Holy Ghost.”
08:19 PM on 10/28/2011
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way (Joseph Smith), the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. (John 10:1-5 KJV)

8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? (John 14:8-9 KJV)

8Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever. 9Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace...(Hebrews 13:8-9 KJV)
01:30 PM on 10/14/2011
This matters! TeaBaggers won't vote for a Mormon! Faux News has been playing it down, but the baggers will listen to this. Then The Patron St. of the Victims of Bovine Spongiaformencyphelopathy(sp?) ,St. Limbaugh told them that Mitt's not a Conservative and nailed the coffin closed. And they won't vote for a Black, however racist he is against black people, Palin was found to have suffered from Jungle Fever for a few years, and Perry is as dumb as Shrub.

So I guess Perry may win the baggervote.
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troutster
Fish fear me. Otherwise, I'm pretty harmless.
08:09 PM on 10/10/2011
I see all religions as pretty far out...myths legends and superstitions based on ancient civilizations, etc. But that said, I also really enjoy seeing the religious folks nitpick each other. It's got a lot of entertainment value.

Evangelicals have always looked down their noses at Mormonism. Kind of the illegitimate stepson at the family reunion, you know.

But seriously, have you ever looked into its background? Joseph Smith, the glasses, the lost tribes of israel, etc. It's almost as far out as scientology with its alien heritage.

Definitely a religion one just chooses to "believe." Cuz there's not gonna be any hard evidence.
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widdles
Love is 4 more years of Barack Obama
05:18 PM on 10/10/2011
This man is in DEEP, DEEP denial - not about anything he has said. Not related to Romney, not related to politics.

He is in deep denial about his sexual orientation.

Until he can come to terms with who he REALLY is, nothing he says should be taken to heart.
02:14 PM on 10/10/2011
A discussion outside of Romney -

Are religious leaders like Jeffress allowed to endorse candidates without endangering the nonprofit status of the church?

Does anybody feel it is right for one religious leader to criticize another religion?

What responsibilities does a U.S. President in terms of religion?
12:19 PM on 10/10/2011
Unfortunately as a Christian I try to keep a fair and balanced mind! I absolutely enjoy reading this section and bloggers comments. BUUTTT!!! Also unfortunately I take the scriptures as truth and wisdom for life. So here is my continual rub with american fundamentalist evangelical christianity. When I see statements like '------- is a christian. He(she) is an evangelical christian. Afollower of Jesus Christ." I say if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck it is a duck. Thus if it walks like a christian and it talks like a christian its a christian. Why then when I read about the republican slant of christianity(from their political and pastoral leadership) I have to give my bible a good shaking and turn it upside down to read it and try and understand it from a different perspective than mine. Point being does that make me a non christian or politically ademocratic thinker? We hear of extremists in the muslim faith that do not represent the ordinary followers. Are there extremists in the Christian faith that need to be challenged and weeded out. And if this is not done then is not the american christian movement not but a cult in its own right. Pun on right. Need a little help from my christian friends on this one. Ithank you for perspective in advance. Moderators go away on this one
12:46 AM on 10/11/2011
The Bible makes it very clear, if you claim Christ has your Savior and Redeemer, you rely on Him as the author of the atonement and your only means of salvation, and especially if you embrace His teachings as the way you try to live your life, and obey them, and follow Him and try to be like Him.....you are a christian. This other nonsense standard about only being a christian if you believe in some of the creeds ( aka Nicene Creed, Athanasian Creed, Westminster Confession of Faith) ALL of which were drafted by men (not prophets), at their councils......in other words, the creeds of "Historic Christianity" which is dubious since there is not much left in latter day christianity that has any roots in history, so much of it has changed with the times.....well then, they say you are only a christian if you accept as doctrine these man made creeds. The irony of that? Creeds aren't even biblical.
If Mitt Romney ~~ who claims all of the biblical doctrines as his own, but rejects the man made creed stuff ~~ is not a christian, who is?
11:23 AM on 10/12/2011
Agreed and amen
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11:05 AM on 10/10/2011
Depending on the religion you adhere to, you will systematically exclude someone, whether you lure yourself to believe otherwise or not. It has nothing to do fundamentally with it's members proclivity to shut out those who are different. Each religion has a dogmatic foundation that will not allow it to compromise on the truth(s) it proclaims. Those who want to make their religion into an all welcoming house warming party, need to read up on the very tenets and proclamations of truth of their churches and the scriptures they worship.
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widdles
Love is 4 more years of Barack Obama
05:23 PM on 10/10/2011
A valid point. And the reason I do not espouse to any organized religion.

I am a believer. I am a Christian, but I do not in any way think that how I believe is the only way. I believe that I will meet people of "controversial" faiths in heaven.

To do otherwise is wrong, wrong, wrong. To think that you and your faith is the ultimate faith is so against everything that I was raised on (a Baptist). But the Baptist church has slowly over the past 50 years been going towards evangelical that I guess I am no longer a Baptist of today's Baptist.

Have I changed and expect the religion to fit me? No. The religion has changed away from what I knew it to be.
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09:52 AM on 10/10/2011
Big Yawn. Why does anyone care what the pastor has to say? Why is his words elevated to the national stage? People have opinions. That is his opinion.
Am I suppose to care about one pastor's opinion regarding mormom's?
09:05 AM on 10/10/2011
Unlike Christianity... which is just chock full of rational beliefs. Like the one about the zombified Jesus.
06:36 PM on 10/09/2011
Pastor Jeffress is being very un-American by telling people not to vote for Mitt Romney based on Romeny's religion when the U.S. does not discriminate people on the basis of their religion; Church and State are separate.

Pastor Jeffress: The Holy Bible says, judge not lest ye be judged. I am sure you preach this in your church so why don't you practice what you preach.
04:11 PM on 10/09/2011
Well I can't say I love Mormonism or Scientology or Buddhism or Islam, or Deism, but I can say I love their practitioners as fellow human beings.
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02:23 PM on 10/09/2011
If the Right Wing "Party of God" gets their way, we will be back in the dark ages where they simply kill the opposition. Because "their" Bible says: 2 Chronicles 15:13 - "Whosoever would not seek the Lord God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." What a wonderful god.
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03:35 PM on 10/09/2011
are you saying there are no christians that claim progressive liberalism as their political faith?

you seem to imply only left wingers are smart enough not to believe in or follow God...is that the case and if not I sure would like to hear from a few religious left wingers after all Obama goes to Church and claims christianity...

has the Liberal Progressive of the left represented by the Democratic Party now renounced God and His Christ?

Do the Democrats reject Jesus Christ as Lord?
04:01 PM on 10/09/2011
Recalling Aesop's fable of the 3 blind men and the elephant, I only see a small part of Scripture being read here. It does not condone the murder of people who "...would not seek the Lord God of Israel..." nor who should indeed put them to death, but themselves. That is what I get from it.
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06:51 PM on 10/09/2011
But this is not Aesop's Fable, it is the Bible. There are many verses in the Bible where God instructs his people to exterminate every living soul. My point is, the God of the Bible is not a nice god. Example: After receiving his instructions from God, Moses instructed the children of Israel, " Therefore kill every male among the little ones. And kill every woman who has known a man by laying with him. But the women children who hath not known a man by laying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31:17, 18.
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12:54 PM on 10/09/2011
Shameful.

I could never think of a religion that involves magical underpants as a cult!
05:41 PM on 10/09/2011
They're called "garments". They're not magical. They serve as a reminder of who we are supposed to be. And if we are faithful, we will be blessed by wearing them.
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Bill J4321
08:19 PM on 10/09/2011
Well.

That's even worse.
11:27 AM on 10/12/2011
Many religions wear religious garments of one sort or another. They symbolize, in part, a committment to God.....and serve as reminder to the covenants one has made to Him. It was so in ancient times, it is so now.
FaceReality2
Democracy in the U.S. is an illusion
12:17 PM on 10/09/2011
The Republican Party is a religious party, but they argue among themselves about the details of the "one true religion." Where are the secular candidates? They don't exist. Again, the Republicans will be on the wrong side of history as young people increasingly free themselves from dogma.
housecheck76
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03:36 PM on 10/09/2011
I see young people flocking to the Orthodox Church because it is real...so I am not sure which young people you are claiming to represent...
FaceReality2
Democracy in the U.S. is an illusion
04:19 PM on 10/10/2011
The national trend among the young is toward secularism, not superstition or supernaturalism.
04:03 PM on 10/09/2011
Another victim of Youth Worship, which asserts all these young pretty folks can do nothing wrong, they all have IQ's >>165, and the rest of us are all old, stupid, and ugly. Welcome to Hollywood, baby!
09:55 AM on 10/09/2011
It is stupid small minded and silly for any religion to dismiss any other religion for any reason since all religions started with one charismatic leader and became what it is today. There are hundreds of thousands of religions. ALL made up by human beings. Some are simply more harmful to the human soul than others but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is MADE UP in an attempt to harness human spirituality and exploit or assist people in their natural desire to have a connection with something mystical and larger than ourselves. Baptists get over yourselves. your religion has cause exactly as much human suffering as the mormon religion.
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03:42 PM on 10/09/2011
The Orthodox Church is not dismissing the protestants or Mitt for being Mormon or any other protesting faith...the Church is merely saying...this is the original Church ordained by Jesus Christ and set forth on the earth as the hospital for our souls...the fact the Orthodox Church exists merely shows all the others to be frauds...it is not the Orthodox Church's fault they stick out...Jesus Christ left His body on the Earth... real, tangible, knowable, unchangable and is seen in reality via the Holy Orthodox Church.
04:04 PM on 10/09/2011
Like the bumper sticker says, COEXIST, with religious icons as letters...