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Scott Anderson, 1st Gay Minister Ordained in Wisconsin Presbyterian Church

Gay Ordination Wisconsin

By DINESH RAMDE   10/ 7/11 05:04 PM ET  AP

SUN PRAIRIE, Wis. -- More than two decades after Scott Anderson told his California congregation that he was gay and therefore must resign as its pastor, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A) is preparing to welcome him back with mostly open arms.

Anderson will be ordained Saturday in his new home of Madison, Wis., as the denomination's first openly gay minister, marking the latest mainline Protestant church to move toward accepting homosexual relationships.

During a recent interview, Anderson, 56, recalled being in the closet from 1983 to 1990 while serving as a minister in Sacramento. He told the congregation the truth and resigned as pastor after a couple learned he was gay and tried to use the information against him.

"That was really the best and worst moment of my life," Anderson said. "It was the best because I was able to claim for the first time who I was as a gay man. That was incredibly empowering. But there was also the sadness, the grief of leaving the ministry and what I loved."

Saturday's ordination at Covenant Presbyterian Church was made possible by decades of debate over whether openly gay people should be allowed to serve in the church. The church constitution used to include language requiring that clergy live "in fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman, or chastity in singleness."

The Presbyterian national assembly last year endorsed removing that rule. The change was approved in May by a majority of the denomination's 173 regional church bodies.

Jennifer Sauer, who attends Anderson's church, said she was thrilled about his upcoming ordination.

"Anyone who knows Scott sees his extraordinary gift of ministry, his ability to preach the word, his compassion, his humility," said Sauer, 41, of Madison. "If there have been any negative rumblings at all, I sure haven't heard about it."

But some conservatives who disapprove of ordaining homosexuals have threatened to leave, said Tom Hay, the director of operations for the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A).

"The Episcopalians, the Lutherans, the United Church of Christ have all made this step and all have experienced losses," he said. "I would expect we will, too. I would grieve that and hope we can find better solutions than to break apart."

Several reasons have been cited for the loosened restrictions: the trend in broader American society toward accepting same-sex relationships, decreased interest in continuing the debate, and the departure of some conservative churches from presbyteries, which changed the balance of votes in some regions.

Anderson said he felt a calling to the ministry when he was a sophomore in high school, several years before he became aware of his sexual preference.

But he wasn't convinced of his career decision. He studied political science at the University of California, Davis and considered a law career. Eventually, he decided to attend a seminary.

"In my first year there I fell in love with another man," he said. "At that point I had to make a decision: Do I follow the call and stay in the closet, or come out and be honest about who I am and leave the seminary?"

At that point the calling was strong enough that he remained. But when he was later forced to come out he was in emotional turmoil. He expected anger and rejection when he told his congregation of about 400 he would leave, perhaps for graduate school. Instead he received love and affirmation – along with a check to cover the entire two years of schooling.

He spent a year away from the church coming to grips with who he was as an outed gay man. His parents were shocked at first but became more supportive as they realized he was the same person they'd always known.

Eventually, Anderson found his way back to a different Presbyterian congregation. Despite his previous experiences, he said being Presbyterian was part of his spiritual DNA.

He remained active in church life, and is now executive director of the Wisconsin Council of Churches in Sun Prairie, near Madison. His ordination means he'll be ordained to the specific job he already has. That means the only change is that he'll now be able to administer sacraments such as communion. He could also become a parish minister, a role he said he might consider in three or four years.

Anderson said he was grateful about his upcoming ordination. He predicted the trend would make the Presbyterian church stronger in the long run.

"It really says to the wider culture, here we have a church that not only talks about being created in the image of God and you're all created to be in relationship with one another, but also wants to live that message," he said. "That's going to give the Presbyterian church a lot more integrity in its witness to the Christian faith."

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06:54 AM on 10/15/2011
May the Church of Pergamos, Thyatira, and Laodicea welcome you and make you feel at home.
02:26 PM on 10/14/2011
Leave the word "marriage" where it belongs. Please don't hijack another word.
The word "gay" has been hijacked, and now this one.
Hey.
I can no longer enjoy a "gay" time, nor can I claim to love "gay" sex.
I cannot say I am feeling really "gay", or bring our "gay" soldiers home.
How about 'have a gay day"?
Nope....I can no longer say this without controvers­y.
Therefore, please...p­retty please.
Leave the word "marriage" alone....
just saying.
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WheelsOnFire
Fiercely Independent
12:51 AM on 10/17/2011
Concerned about the hijacking of the word "marriage" are you?

Well then, here's some education for you -- the kind your christian handlers have withheld from you.

In ancient Rome, marriage included same-sex couples. But, you see, it was the christians who hijacked the term and in 342 AD, under the Theodosian Code, banned same-sex couples from marriage.

So, allowing gay couples to marry simply puts marriage back to where it was, before the christians stole it for themselves and their narrow definition of the term.
01:28 AM on 10/17/2011
...Yeah...hey, you wanna buy a bridge?...
You all. Always with the insults.
Lets see. Where shall I start. Just for kicks.
Did you ever hear about the "wedding/marriage" that took place where Christ made the water into wine?...I believe that happened aout 342 years before "your" time line.
You all like to hear what your itching ears want to hear.
Bottom line. Marriage is between a woman and a man.
...just saying.
09:20 AM on 10/18/2011
HEY...Those colors of the Rainbow...give them back to me.
I had them first. I grew up drawing and painting rainbows...and I used to love having a "gay" time, and being a ring bearer in weddings.
Now you are twisting and turning things around.
Be creative, come up with your own unique words, symbols, and please don't hijack the word "marriage"....just saying
Oh, and I am laughing (sorry, could not help it) when you are trying to twist reality by redefining words, and history.
You all are unbelievable. Now hush Missy, ....get creative, and invent your own stuff.
09:37 AM on 10/13/2011
Christ never wrote anything for us to follow. Yet we read that Christ forgave the thief, the prostitute, the killer (Saul/Paul). He forgave the tax collector, and He forgave all those people that truly were repentant of their shortcomings which expressed themselves in emotions like anger, hate, spite, jealousy, envy, etc. etc.
Yet, there is no word directly from Him about homosexuality.
It's as if He is saying..."you figure that one out"...but, wait!
It's a "no-brainer"...what Christ wants is for everyone to put Him first...
Does a thief continue stealing?...does a prostitute continue in prostitution?...does a tax collector continue cheating?...does a killer continue killing?...so on and so forth...hmmm.
The answer is a resounding "NO!"
Christ asks us to put Him first in our lives.
Christ asks us to walk as He did.
No one can do so and at the same time have a "pet" behavior that denies total obedience to Him.
Are sexual urges stronger than Christ?
...just saying
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StevenM
Chess Coach
01:14 PM on 10/13/2011
Re: Does a thief continue stealing?.­..does a prostitute continue in prostituti­on?...does a tax collector continue cheating?.­..does a killer continue killing?..­.so on and so forth...hm­mm.

It is unfortunate that so many conservatives have been blinded by their ideology that they cannot tell the difference between a "sin" which causes harm like stealing, cheating, killing, and a "sin" which does not cause any harm like eating non-kosher or a loving relationship between two consensual adults in a monogamous relationship. Homosexuality is no more a real "sin" than eating a hotdog, yet, both were condemned in the Bible, but neither of them causes any real harm. And neither of them are real sins.

We also teach that “degrees of physical intimacy should be carefully matched to degrees of growing affection and commitment. This also suggests a way to understand why this church teaches that the greatest sexual intimacies, such as coitus, should be matched with and sheltered both by the highest level of binding commitment and by social and legal protection, such as is found in marriage.” (“Human Sexuality: Gift and Trust” by the ELCA, 2009). Which is one reason we are for same-sex marriage.
11:33 PM on 10/13/2011
Ok, here we go....
Are you insinuating that I am blinded by the conservative ideology, or that I am a conservative? Or, that I am blind?
You're funny. You are so off the mark.
I am also amused... comparing eating a hot dog with anal sex, or did you mean to compare oral sex and eating a hot dog? Whichever, or whatever. My argument is that you don't know what the word "sin" is, though you used it at least four times.
The word "sin" was originally a military term... and so was the word "repent"( which means -about face!)...back to my definition of "sin"
When target practicing, the ancient soldiers would use that word.
11:41 PM on 10/13/2011
Sin referred to the dead space between the spear and the intended target.
Therefore, unless you were on the mark, ...you "sinned". It didn't matter if you missed by an inch or a few feet...the result was the same. SIN equals "off the mark"
Now let me put it in context.
Christ never "sinned"...He was always on the "mark".... in other words, on target.
I cannot tell you why "hot dogs" were a" no,no" back then. Maybe because pork made people sick...who knows.
As for homosexuality been condemned...maybe they abhorred anal...who knows.
What I do read is that Christ asks us to put Him first.
He speaks of eternity and the importance of being pure.
There is no doubt that Christ loved, and will love all of God's creation...yet, there are some things left well enough alone, whatever it is that hinders that relationship between Christ and another person...one of them is marriage, which was intended to be between a man and a woman. Life is short. Why mess with it?....
all, Leave it alone. Who are we to change marriage when it's been around for thousands of years, and this idea of marriage between two men is something that became popular recently.
Not conservative , not blind, and though sinful myself...I know the difference.
Why hijack the word "marriage"?
...just saying
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ez duz it
οὐκ ἔστιν θεός
12:13 AM on 10/17/2011
The things you seem to have alluded to are violations of Mosaic Law:
Exd 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill”
Exd 20:15 “Thou shalt not steal”
Lev 19:13 “Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour”
Deu 23:18 “Thou shalt not bring the hire of a prostitute”

Exd 20:14 “Thou shalt not commit adultery” - Even though you didn’t mention it, I thought is seemed germane.

However…your mention of “homosexuality” isn’t found in Torah. The “abomination” (תֹּועֵבָה) being referenced is filial incest between the second person in Leviticus 18:22 - or “a man” (אִישׁ) in Leviticus 20:13 - and his “male-offspring” (זָכָר). The prohibition is not with words regularly translated “man,” such as “אָדָם,” “אִישׁ,” or even the word commonly used to speak collectively of “mankind,” i.e., “אֱנוֹשׁ.”

Since homosexuality was not proscribed in Torah, Jesus had no need to say anything against it.

You asked: “Are sexual urges stronger than Christ?” Yours appears to be a typically christianist preoccupation. Paul seemed to see Christians as an incontinent lot and condoned their marriages only as a remedy for accommodating their lusts: “I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn” 1Corinthians 7:8-9.

--ez
09:13 AM on 10/18/2011
You all are amazing...always assuming that I am a Christian occupied with with whatever you all want me to be occupied with.
Yes. I read on my own accord. Not afraid to do so.
Here's the bottom line. I am my own person. You or no other person defines me.
I come to my own conclusions. I make every effort not to listen to what my itchy ears want to hear, nor do I want to put my spin on history, nor do I want you all to shove things down my throat.
I notice how much twisting, rocking and rolling goes on around here.
Homosexuals and muslims are notorious on here for distorting the truth.
I admit. I am not a rocket scientist, but come on!
...muslims cannot admit that muhammed was a warlord, and that he killed.
...homosexuals cannot leave well enough alone....talking about marriage.
Why?...why not face it. Marriage is between a man and a woman, and muhammed killed people, and he is erroneously elevated to "prophet' status.
I myself believe that homosexuals should be protected, therefore I do so in my everyday life. I will not tolerate any type of discrimination due to their orientation.
But, I will also not keep looking the other way as words, symbols, and institutions are swallowed up by people who distort, and outright lie.
...just saying
07:34 AM on 10/13/2011
The Presbyterian church has come a long way. Only a little over a hundred years ago my ancestor, who was a pastor, was kicked out of this church for heresy. He later killed himself in an insane asylum.

What was his heresy, you ask? He disagreed with some of the tenets in something called the Westminster Confession. Specifically he thought that the story of a talking snake was allegory and not to be taken literally.

I suppose it was a kindness that they didn't burn him at the stake.
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StevenM
Chess Coach
01:21 PM on 10/13/2011
For what it is worth ... I have personally attended and watched a heresy trial by (conservative) Presbyterians who put a pastor on trial for allowing women to speak from the pulpit on a Sunday morning. I couldn't help but think how silly it all was that grown men (and, of course, only men were allowed to be ministers or elders) could act this way.
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darkmark
religion, the veil of evil.
01:54 AM on 10/13/2011
why a gay person even joins a church i can't figure out. but if that's what they want fine. no one should stand in their way.
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bessielil
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05:27 PM on 10/12/2011
Now that's the Wisconsin I used to know. And good for the Presbyterians for re-thinking instead of re-stating (the way the Southern Baptist convention did a few years ago with their women submit gracefully advice.)
01:13 PM on 10/12/2011
Since the Moral Code of the Torah or Pentateuch condemns Incest, Adultery, Homosexuality, and Bestiality, does the approval of homosexuality mean we must approve the others, logically? Also since Jesus, as a Jew, spoke of "immorality" (Porneia in the Greek New Testament), did He not include All of the Jewish moral code? Also, St. Paul in the inspired Scriptures roundly condemns homosexuality in Romans (particularly), 1st Corintians, and 1st Timothy, would that not be reason enough for a supposedly Christian bible-following Church to include it among the condemnations of prostitution, fornication, adultery, etc.? Or do Christians follow whatever is "a la mode" or whatever the Hollywood fashion is?
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bessielil
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05:24 PM on 10/12/2011
Do we not have the mindset and world view, with all our knowledge in the second millennium, to see the world and reality differently than those (perhaps flawed) writers of the Old and New Testament?
09:30 PM on 10/12/2011
Has the moral law changed radically for you? 2,000 years ago the Greeks had sex with little boys, teenagers (Plato's favorite), and men. That was condemned by Paul the apostle, obviously not in agreement with Greek morality. So you think the Greeks were right and Paul wrong? I presume you are not a Christian. I don't know what pagan morality of that time was any different from today. Jews and Christians had a very different view from many people of those times, so that hasn't changed. I read that Sexologists about 12 years ago agreed that age should not be a limitation for the enjoyment of sex. Many people speak of "Reproductive Rights", and it has been discovered that the average age of girls having their period in the US is 10, and that black girls average around 9. Should we not be narrow-minded about their having sexual rights, and why or why not? If celibacy is no longer a requirement for Presbyterian clergy, should not fornication and adultery be allowed? Some countries do not criminalize bestiality, and some countries do not criminalize incest, so why should we? Is there a freedom to sexuality with our new world view?
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BornOKtheFirstTime
pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo
06:19 PM on 10/12/2011
The dudes who wrote those things were screwed up just like you.
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StevenM
Chess Coach
11:51 AM on 10/12/2011
In the major social movements in the last two centuries, including Abolitionism, Woman’s Suffrage, Civil Rights, Woman’s Equal Rights, and Gay Marriage, there have been conservative Christians fighting against progress as well as liberal Christians fighting for progress. For example, the Southern Baptist Convention is today the second largest Christian group (the first is the Roman Catholic Church). The SBC became a separate denomination in 1845 following a regional split with northern Baptists over the issues of slavery, claiming that the Bible justified slavery. Thus Southern Baptists supported slavery, Jim Crow laws, segregation, and fought against federal lynching laws, desegregation and civil rights. After losing these culture wars, they renounced their support for slavery and segregation in 1995. In the 1940s, most conservative Christians were Democrats, but as the Democratic Party embraced civil rights, many conservative Christians switched parties from the Democrats to the Republicans, thus making the Republican Party the party of conservative Christians, a direct result of their thinly veiled racism. Today most mainline Protestant Churches are ordaining those in same-sex relationships, and claim that homosexuality is not a sin. The conservative Churches continue to fight against progress and equal rights, although their influence is slowly diminishing, and although they no longer have the strangle hold on American society and the US political system which they once had, they are still a powerful voting bloc today, largely motivated by hatred and bigotry.
02:54 PM on 10/14/2011
OH, man...there you go. Whenever someone argues their point, you counter with an accusation of "bigotry", or "hatred"...you know. Words that immediately marginalizes the speaker.
Did you ever think that there are people that have the right to their opinion?
Maybe they get pukey watching two men kiss, or engage in oral, or anal....
Cut them some slack.
You have a right to go and maintain your God given rights in this country...but, to accuse people of "racism", "bigotry", "hatred", or being a "homophobe"...
What a potential for a smoke screen.
I thought it was about your rights...and if there are things to change then fine.
Just don't change what needs not to be changed.
...again. Just sayin'..
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season555
Allaah knows best
08:56 PM on 10/11/2011
This is best explanation I have come across, there is a place for people who are homosexuals in Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HisIwWhyU34
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Doug Sandlin
We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
09:38 PM on 10/10/2011
Wow, looking at some of the "Anti Pastor" comments in this thread, I can only shake my head, and wonder what's next?

Saying that a Christian presidential candidate isn't *really* Christian?

(Well, okay, realistically, things can't be *that* ridiculous, can they?)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/10/robert-jeffress-mormonism-_n_1004093.html

Wow.

Nevermind, then.

I'm not religious .... but I have read the Bible ... and, candidly, I missed the parts where Jesus was pathologically closed-minded.
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aviandonn
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10:47 PM on 10/10/2011
"I missed the parts where Jesus was pathologic­ally closed-min­ded. "

Paranoid schizophrenics aren't closed minded. They're just delusional.
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StevenM
Chess Coach
06:58 AM on 10/11/2011
And you're qualified to make psychological diagnoses of people you've never met?
08:01 AM on 10/11/2011
Doug, I can finally agree with what you said! YOU DO MISS ALOT!

"I missed the parts where Jesus was pathologically closed-minded"

A statement like this is relative, so I'll cut you some slack!

read John Chapter three and let me know in your opinion if Jesus is being pathologically closed-minded speaking to Nicodemus.
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Doug Sandlin
We see the world not as it is, but as we are.
09:34 PM on 10/10/2011
Okay, so, this guy wants to serve God by serving others.

Other people who say that they also serve God, say they have a problem with it, and they cite their ideas about the Bible as proof.

I'm not religious, but I've always found that the old adage:

"Actions speak louder than words."

... is true.
09:20 AM on 10/13/2011
Wow, you again...."actions speak louder that words"...!!!
I agree!
But, I notice you do not apply it when arguing that muhammed was a killer.
Don't his actions "speak louder than words?"
...can't hear you. Thought so.
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01:21 AM on 10/19/2011
*chuckle* Don't worry, Top Women are working on it right now, Top Women indeed in the Belly of the Beast (the Pentagon, of course), where they will finally build the time machine that will enable them to go back...

And find out that it was all done with smoke & mirrors...mirrors & smoke...GOOD smoke
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anitaj
05:04 PM on 10/10/2011
Congratulations to Rev. Anderson. Best wishes for success in his religious path.
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aviandonn
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04:34 PM on 10/10/2011
Last week as I was walking to a restaurant to meet another lesbian for lunch, I realized I had forgotten my wallet. As I walked back to my car, I looked down and there on the sidewalk was a $20 bill. I said "Thank you God." and went to the restaurant and kept my date. God is always doing surprising little things like that for me. I think he really really likes me.
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StevenM
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04:36 PM on 10/10/2011
She does!
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Albert Westpy
Socialist to the end !
07:59 PM on 10/10/2011
She does ! :-)
Oneandoneandone
Professional Spitfire
04:12 PM on 10/10/2011
Rock on, dude! Congratulations :-)
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AndyPhx
Fruit don't talk. Fruit just listens... and waits
01:00 PM on 10/10/2011
It sickens Jesus that these people have made gay-bashing synonmous with His name.

They claim to represent a God of love and forgivenss yet spew venom and spread lies about their fellow children of God.

They need to wake up and realize they live in a country where their religious beliefs do not supercede the Constitution.
RSGmusic
Instrumental music is great
04:23 PM on 10/10/2011
Agree

They are working on amending the constitution Already

You no the religion and party that should have supreme guidance in our government?
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StevenM
Chess Coach
08:00 PM on 10/10/2011
Re: "It sickens Jesus that these people have made gay-bashin­g synonmous with His name."

I couldn't agree with you more.