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Occupy Wall Street Compared To Other Protests

Occupy Wall Street

First Posted: 10/09/11 04:48 PM ET Updated: 12/09/11 05:12 AM ET

NEW YORK -- To veterans of past social movements, the Occupy Wall Street protests that began in New York and spread nationwide have been a welcome response to corporate greed and the enfeebled economy. But whether the energy of protesters can be tapped to transform the political climate remains to be seen.

"There's a difference between an emotional outcry and a movement," said Andrew Young, who worked alongside the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. as a strategist during the civil rights movement and served as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. "This is an emotional outcry. The difference is organization and articulation.

The nearly four-week-old protest that began in a lower Manhattan park has taken on a semblance of organization and a coherent message has largely emerged: That "the 99 percent" who struggle daily as the economy shudders, employment stagnates and medical costs rise are suffering as the 1 percent who control the vast majority of the economy's wealth continues to prosper.

Labor unions and students joined the protest on Wednesday, swelling the ranks for a day into the thousands, and lending the occupation a surge of political clout and legitimacy. President Barack Obama said Thursday that the protesters were "giving voice to a more broad-based frustration about how our financial system works;" some Republicans have been seeking to cast Occupy Wall Street as class warfare.

The growing cohesiveness and profile of the protest have caught the attention of public intellectuals and veterans of past social movements.

"I think if the idea of the movement is to raise the discontent that a lot of people from different walks of life and different persuasions have on the economic inequity in this country - it's been perfect," said the Rev. Al Sharpton, who plans to broadcast his nationally syndicated radio show from the park on Monday and five days later lead a jobs march in Washington, D.C.

He said he felt it was necessary to be there to talk about how blacks and Latinos are also buffeted by the economic difficulties.

"I think it is more a movement to show dissatisfaction. I think that is effective and useful," he said.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson said the protest was a growing success. "There is a legitimacy to their demands for economic reconstruction," he said, with the analysis of the problems in the economic system "dead on," as he wrote in a commentary.

He said the protest could become a powerful movement if "it remains disciplined, focused and nonviolent - and turns some of their pain into voting power."

History is littered with social movements that failed to emerge as political forces to create lasting change - including mass labor protests to end unemployment and to call attention to job injustices, said Immanuel Ness, a professor of political science at Brooklyn College and the editor of the "Encyclopedia of American Social Movements."

He compared it to the tea party movement, saying both were raising concerns about general anxieties over the economic system.

"The messaging is directed at working people," he said. "Both the tea party and Occupy Wall Street are arguing that something needs to change. The question is, What is the source of the problem?"

In the late 1990s, a global movement to reject corporate-driven globalization took to the streets, most famously in the U.S. by shutting down the 1999 meeting of the World Trade Organization in Seattle. In spite of several actions aimed at summits by world institutions, the "movement of movements," as it soon came to be known, faded away.

Much like the Occupy Wall Street protests, one of the main criticisms was that it lacked a cohesive message.

Todd Gitlin, an author and former president of the Students for a Democratic Society in the mid-1960s, attended Wednesday's rally and said the emerging movement was different.

The demands of the protesters were crystallizing around calls to tax the wealthy to address inequality, he said.

"`We are the 99 percent' is a clear message," he said. "It is unfair and in fact disgusting that the American political economy is run for the benefit of a plutocracy. I don't see how that can be misunderstood."

But he said the movement was still evolving and it remains to be seen whether it can evolve as an effective organization. "This is the new order of movements. They're informal and ragged, and yet if they're well-timed, they touch a nerve and get translated by actually existing political forces," he said.

U.S. Rep. Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, the third-highest ranking Democrat in the House, is convinced the movement will bring about political change.

"I consider this movement really to be the most heartwarming thing I've seen since President Obama's election," he told The Associated Press in a phone interview Friday. "I hope nobody gets discouraged. I think the impact could be very significant on the psyche of the country as well as on the disposition of members of Congress."

He disagrees that it lacks a coherent message and said many of the people he marched with during the civil rights era likely wouldn't have been able to put into words their reasons or frustrations, either.

"They all knew something was wrong," he said. "They knew that it just wasn't right to have to get up out of your seat and give some white person your seat on a bus. They may not be able to explain to you exactly why I'm out here marching; they may not even be able to relate that lunch counter to that city bus or to a ride on the train or to walking down the sidewalk having to step off the sidewalk when approached by a white person, which was the order of the day."

Ambassador Young said that to be effective, the protests need a serious discussion component and that leadership needs to emerge.

"I can understand people being frustrated with Wall Street, but this just needs to be more than people voicing their frustrations and a few leaders having their 15 minutes of fame," he said. "It is important for those who have thought through their values and objections to somehow be heard."

Naomi Klein, whose writings helped shape the anti-neoliberal globalization movement that emerged in the late 1990s, made an appearance Thursday at Zuccotti Park, where she delivered a speech to the protesters. In a version of the talk posted on her website, she offered praise and a warning.

"It is a fact of the information age that too many movements spring up like beautiful flowers but quickly die off," she said. "It's because they don't have roots. And they don't have long-term plans for how they are going to sustain themselves. So when storms come, they get washed away."

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Associated Press writers Errin Haines in Atlanta and Seanna Adcox in Columbia, S.C., contributed to this report.

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NEW YORK -- To veterans of past social movements, the Occupy Wall Street protests that began in New York and spread nationwide have been a welcome response to corporate greed and the enfeebled economy...
NEW YORK -- To veterans of past social movements, the Occupy Wall Street protests that began in New York and spread nationwide have been a welcome response to corporate greed and the enfeebled economy...
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DianeB528
Middle class consumers are the job creators.
01:59 AM on 10/12/2011
I understand their frustration. I'm frustrated too. But I'd like to know what they want to do about it. What are their demands? Do they want the wealthy to pay more in taxes? Then they should support Obama's proposal called The Buffett Rule. If they want jobs they should support Obama's jobs bill. But President Obama has been getting nothing but resistance from the GOP. If these protestors want results they need to reelect the president and vote the Republicans out of office.
outnow
Ban the bomb
01:40 PM on 10/11/2011
The one-percent get about 45% of those in the 99% to vote for them. That's called the GOP. When these guys, like Joe the Plumber, ever get that plumber's license, and get the expected corporate income of about $250,000, those wannabe plumbers want to be ready to get favorable tax treament so they can be like the big boys such as Bill Gates. That's called the Horation Alger story where an ordinary guy makes it big in America. That, and the Southern Strategy, i.e., "rascism," makes the GOP death grip on our political leaders possible, and somewhat inevitable.

These young people are aware that the GOP isn't delivering for them. Neither is the current Democratic Party. False class consciousness in America has caused working people to side with the very rich. Religion is one facet of that control. But the values expressed actually are the exact opposite of the principles of the New Testament. Go figure! Jesus never said, "Greed is good!"

Many crises are coming all at the same time. Economic, environmental, political, energy and water resources, population growth, climate change, and a moral failure of market capitalism with its cartels to respond. A new social contract is needed with some major structural change to meet the new needs and address future needs sustainably.
11:42 PM on 10/10/2011
These protesters are just pawns in Obama's re-election campaign .
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Mitch Johnesee
01:27 PM on 10/11/2011
That seems quite mis-guided, as there are many amongst the throng who are no longer Obama supporters.

If your implication is that Obama is using them, it makes no sense, as the policies are his much like the bailouts were his.

These people are much like the Tea Party (oh no, plug your rears... wait) in that it is too easy to brand them as truly being inclusive in one larger political party... but they are proving that you can lie on one side of the political spectrum without wholly accepting the only perceived option for that particular side's party.
11:00 PM on 10/10/2011
They cheer multi millionaire A Baldwin who works for a bank, they cheer an Egyptian activist who calls for violence, they cheer C Rangel, a tax cheat who heads the committee that writes the tax laws they protest against, They cheer M Moore, well, they have to cheer him, he is footing the bill.
10:48 PM on 10/10/2011
To listen to some of the protestors, one is left to believe that they are agitating for free college./professional educations at an institution of their liking and a 100K job for just being young.
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Collin Lowry
04:11 AM on 10/11/2011
Yes, having an educated workforce would be devastating to our economy.
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Mitch Johnesee
01:32 PM on 10/11/2011
Remove the phrase 'of their liking and a 100K job for just being young' (that is based on misconception and the perpetuation of intentional misconception).

Now, is there still a problem with the idea?

Free college at an institution... inciting the idea that there may be just ONE place (likely with absurd standards for both income levels and academic/intellectual aptitude).

We would most definitely not be the first or only nation on this planet to offer free college education... not sure why it is such a crazy idea.
10:39 PM on 10/10/2011
Why arent the protestors marching on the GE building from the billions in tax credits General Electric gets from government? Why arent the protestors marching on Solyandra and billions in tax-payer waste in non-existent 'green' technology?
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wkillpatri
11:49 AM on 10/12/2011
RVU -- agreed. One nit-picking point of order, though. (OK, so I'm a frustrated old biddy, get over it, LOL): GE isn't getting tax credits from the government. This is one case in which the government IS "we the people." US citizens are footing the bill for GE's obscene credits or refunds on taxes never paid. Our government merely created the tax code allowing GE to steal from every tax-paying American.
10:37 PM on 10/10/2011
Liberals don't know how to run their own life , they need the government to do it for them . Socialists want to take money from those that have earned it and give it to those that have not .
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Mick Muck
06:15 PM on 10/11/2011
You left out "get ur guberment hands off my medicare"
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wkillpatri
11:46 AM on 10/12/2011
"from those that (sic -- should be who, but...) earned it?"

Earned it how, the old fashioned way... by inheriting it?
10:21 PM on 10/10/2011
Every time I see or hear about the Occupy Wall Street mob, I think of the phases 'the unwashed masses' and 'useful idiots' both terms used by Vladimir Lenin, leader of the Communist revolution of 1917. Does anyone want to be like Communist Russia used to be? Communism / Socialism / Liberalism, all want everyone equal, with only 2 classes of people, (1) Government and (2) We The People, relying on Government for everything. It doesn't work, because you eventually run out of other people's money.
02:22 AM on 10/11/2011
Does that make them useless unwashed idiots?
01:18 AM on 10/12/2011
You really had to ask that?
outnow
Ban the bomb
01:19 PM on 10/11/2011
That is a false dicotomy. You attempt to portray any reform as eventually leading to Stalin's brand of authoritarian communism. Lenin was a very methodical plotter and quite Machiavellian. That doesn't prove anything about socialism and reform.

You could also argue that a right wing agenda would lead to an authoritarian dictator who favored corporations for a war machine. We would then have Brown Shirts in the streets. That's what the left sees when looking at the Tea partiers all carrying weapons and wearing those ridiculous-looking whigs.
01:35 AM on 10/12/2011
outnow, Oh plllllleeeeeeeeeeeease, anyone with any commonsense and a little bit of history knowledge could see right through what you just said. An authoritarian dictator, I.E, brown shirts, would want the masses unarmed AND would have TAKEN OVER the corporations for the benefit of the dictator. Then you would have what the Liberals want, 2 classes of people, (1) Government, (2) The People. THAT my friend has NEVER worked in the history of mankind.
10:14 PM on 10/10/2011
The students hanging out in the park are being the manipulated but useful idlots for the unionists trying to get more payout guarantees from government.
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Christian Howell
The STEM. The Whole STEM. Nothing but the STEM.
10:27 PM on 10/10/2011
What union payoff? Are you stupid or something?
10:35 PM on 10/10/2011
“Make $350-650 a week “protesting” on Wall Street"
Craig's List ^ | 10/7/2011 | Craigs List

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2790347/posts

Fool.
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TygerLilly
ProgLib deprogramming ,555 GOT TRUTH?
04:48 PM on 10/11/2011
Bingo.
10:06 PM on 10/10/2011
How many arrests have their been at hundreds of tea party rallies, vs. nearly 1000 arrests in NYC of the union-Szoras driven 'occupation' of wall-street?
02:53 AM on 10/11/2011
Oh save your nonsense. They arrested the Freedom Riders too.
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TygerLilly
ProgLib deprogramming ,555 GOT TRUTH?
04:49 PM on 10/11/2011
They pooped on cop cars, , too????
09:29 PM on 10/10/2011
I think this really scares the right. Good. How can they think it's ok for someone like me to pay a higher % of taxes on my money than someone who makes a million dollars a year? Why is it ok for major corporations to outsource jobs to other countries when so many Americans are unemployed? Why do republicans think it's alright to hire an experienced person (adult) for $8.00 an hour? That person certainly will not be able to afford basic needs. No one will be able to but a home, so just say goodbye to any homeowner dreams. Why don't they invest in us?
02:26 AM on 10/11/2011
That person is free to reject the offer.
02:55 AM on 10/11/2011
and starve...don't tell me....you watch the "Grapes of Wrath" and root against the Joad family, right? After all being paid 1/2 a cent per bushel to pick crops is okay, they were free to reject the offer.
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TygerLilly
ProgLib deprogramming ,555 GOT TRUTH?
04:50 PM on 10/11/2011
Then you get an education, or a trade...you do not go to work at Walmart stocking shelves, and expect to support a family....its called "common sense".
09:22 PM on 10/10/2011
How much money did Szoras pay V@an Jones to organize this 'spontaneous' protest. How much money are union paying their boots on the ground fill-ins. A lot.
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Christian Howell
The STEM. The Whole STEM. Nothing but the STEM.
10:28 PM on 10/10/2011
You're an idiot. Unions are the life's blood of the middle class.
12:53 AM on 10/11/2011
Christian, no they aren't. How many people do you truly know that are part of a Union? Unions are the reason why the U.S. is NOT competitive with the rest of the world in price per unit costs. In the '20's and 30's the Unions had their use, but now, they are the Albatross around the neck of the American work force. We all like our 'cheap' goods, but they are produced mostly in a country such as China which hurts us in the long run.
02:55 PM on 10/11/2011
Flagged for abusive language.
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Tom Airhart
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
09:10 PM on 10/10/2011
I saw mention earlier that Al Sharpton was going to be speaking to the 99 percenters. At all costs, I dearrly hope no one takes him for anything more than the loudmouth political hack that he is. The last thing this movement needs to keep going is the endoresment or encouragement of some politician. Keep it grassroots and the way it is. Please, please, please! No politicians in this movement. Some will want to hitch a ride on this important and positive step in giving voice to the lower and middle classes.
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10:17 PM on 10/10/2011
Here is a really good tip.

Clean up after yourselves or everyone will hate you.
12:15 AM on 10/11/2011
These people are clean. This is a grassroots movement. They do not want the dirty money that controls Washington to corrupt them.
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gandalf7531
Emptiness is filling me, to the point of agony.
08:27 AM on 10/11/2011
If OWS has no politicians in it, it will fail. The answer is for people within the movement itself to take political leadership in its broadest definition and use it to effect change.

I personally would like to see a viable third party form from this. Both Democrat and Republicans are too much in the pocket of WS and it'd be nice to see a party that actually advocates for the American middle class and working class.
08:54 PM on 10/10/2011
Anybody who lived through the 1960's knows what happens when a government feels threatened by it's own population. Don't think the cops won't use live ammunition on you even if you obviously aren't carrying a weapon. For all you big talking brave critics who think the protesters are nothing more than lazy hippies, I challenge you to spend a few days at a demonstration and see if you keep the same attitude.
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10:18 PM on 10/10/2011
enough......come join us. A thing called the Millineum happened.
08:04 PM on 10/10/2011
These protesters are just looking for a bigger handout .
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herbertpop
09:22 PM on 10/10/2011
I wouldn't call it a handout. I'd call it a pay check.
12:18 AM on 10/11/2011
Handout my but t, What was the bailout? It was a handout to the finacial industry. So the bankers could keep their third and fourth houses.