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Deficit Super Committee Struggles To Make Progress As Clock Ticks

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First Posted: 10/10/11 11:41 AM ET Updated: 12/10/11 05:12 AM ET

By ANDREW TAYLOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The super committee is struggling.

After weeks of secret meetings, the 12-member deficit-cutting panel established under last summer's budget and debt deal appears no closer to a breakthrough than when talks began last month.

While the panel members themselves aren't doing much talking, other lawmakers, aides and lobbyists closely tracking the committee are increasingly skeptical, even pessimistic, that the panel will be able to meet its assigned goal of at least $1.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next 10 years.

The reason? A familiar deadlock over taxes and cuts to major programs like Medicare and the Medicaid health care program for the poor and disabled.

Democrats won't go for an agreement that doesn't include lots of new tax revenue; Republicans are just as ardently anti-tax. The impasse over revenues means that Democrats won't agree to cost curbs on popular entitlement programs like Medicare.

"Fairness has to be a prerequisite for it," said House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "We have just come through passing a bill that was (all spending) cuts, no revenue." Pelosi was referring to the August debt limit bill, which set tight "caps" on agency budgets but didn't contain revenue increases pressed by Democrats.

Democrats are more insistent on revenues now.

"There's been no movement on revenues and I'm not sure the Democrats will agree to anything without revenues," added a Democratic lobbyist who required anonymity to speak candidly.

Asked last week whether she is confident that the panel can hit its $1.2 trillion goal, co-chairman Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., sidestepped the question.

"I am confident that the public is watching us very closely to see if we can show this country that this democracy can work," Murray told reporters. "I carry that weight on my shoulders every day and so does every member of this committee."

The two parties have equal strength on the panel, which has until Thanksgiving to come up with a plan to submit for up-or-down House and Senate votes in December. That means bipartisan compromise is a prerequisite for a successful result.

Thus far, say aides to panel members and other lawmakers, neither side has demonstrated the required flexibility in the super-secret talks.

The $1.2 trillion target evolved after efforts by President Barack Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, to strike a so-called grand bargain on taxes and spending fell apart in July.

Those discussions and earlier talks led by Vice President Joe Biden identified numerous options for cutting the deficit. They included requiring federal workers to contribute more to their retirement, cutting farm subsidies, auctioning broadcast spectrum and curbing payments to Medicare providers like skilled nursing facilities, rural hospitals and home health care services.

The super committee could scoop up these relatively easy-to-generate savings but still fall short of the $1.2 trillion target. Interest groups like the powerful farm lobby might be willing to accept cuts when everybody else is getting hit, too, but are likely to fight back if they're among the relative few getting singled out for sacrifice.

"Once you start taking things off the table or you pick a deal that only hits some parts of the budget, then you have some people who get hit who say, `Well, why me? Why not other people?'" said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

To be sure, the super committee still has time. And panel members, while divided, earnestly want a result. A more optimistic scenario is that in coming days and weeks, members of the panel will become more flexible as the deadline nears – and as pressure builds from financial markets and credit rating agencies like Standard & Poor's, which in August downgraded U.S. debt from its AAA rating.

At the same time, failure to produce a measure would trigger painful across-the-board cuts to the Pentagon budget and a big slice of domestic programs. The idea behind this so-called sequester was to force the two sides to come together because the alternative is too painful.

"I made it clear to the Republican members of the super committee that I expect there will be an outcome, that there has to be an outcome," House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said at a Washington forum on Thursday. "The sequester that was built behind this is ugly, and it was meant to be ugly so that no one would go there. I don't underestimate how hard it's going to be to come to an agreement by the so-called super committee, but we have to get to one."

The across-the-board sequester, however, wouldn't take effect until the beginning of 2013, which is already fueling speculation that Congress would simply revisit the issue after the elections next year.

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By ANDREW TAYLOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON (AP) -- The super committee is struggling. After weeks of secret meetings, the 12-member deficit-cutting panel established under last summer's b...
By ANDREW TAYLOR, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON (AP) -- The super committee is struggling. After weeks of secret meetings, the 12-member deficit-cutting panel established under last summer's b...
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
03:21 PM on 11/13/2011
Realistically, the congressional “Super Committee” is nothing more than a symbol of the congressional “grid lock”. Clearly, the only thing that merits any serious consideration of their function is the “penalty” imposed on the budget in the event of their failure.

We have no doubt that this penalty is what compelled the Repub leadership to advise the Committee to consider yielding the tiniest bit to the notion of “revenue” net increases notwithstanding the unanimous resolution of the Repub debating and mutual admiration panel of presidential hopefuls, who would not even consider a 10 to 1 ratio of cuts to new revenue.
Many comments from high places suggest that the solution will be that a verdict will come out of the 2012 general election, especially the choice of President. Taking our Q from today’s W. Post Editorial page, we believe that this is a false hope. The problems we face today are very complicated and cannot possibly be addressed by a vote at the ballot box with the polls showing an evenly balanced public leaning toward each political party. Only an overwhelming or “landslide” vote would give our leaders much guidance. EXTREMELY unlikely.

We need some honest to God LEADERSHIP from the top people or down the tubes we go following the Greeks.
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
03:36 PM on 11/13/2011
OLEREALIST: Adding a P.S to my comment.

Rather than placing all hope on the next ELECTION, perhaps we could
have at least one NATIONAL vote on a "referendum" patterned after the
one recently conducted in OHIO. Not legally binding but a great test of
sentiment and highly instructive. Yes, we have the polls, but many are
highly skeptical about these apparently.
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Kritikos
Intelligence is not a science
11:37 AM on 11/13/2011
Somewhere in the Super Committee's meeting room there's kryptonite.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Omentum
Giant Obstructing Pylon (GOP)
11:37 AM on 10/21/2011
This is so shocking. I would have never thought this would happen.

Just like this morning. The sun came up and I said wow. This is strange.
07:39 AM on 10/19/2011
Please: HOPE YOU WILL PARTICIPATE AND DO YOUR FAIR SHARE!

The President ordered the cabinet to cut $100 million from the $3.5 Trillion federal budget.

This government sacrifice is so impressive that I have decided to do the same thing with my personal budget.

Spending about $2000 a month on groceries, household expense, medicine, utilities, etc, but it’s time to wield the budget cutting axe, go through expenses and cut back.

Time to cut my spending at exactly the same ratio as our federal government: 1/35,000 of my
total budget. After doing the math, it looks like instead of spending $2000 a month, I will have to cut that number by six cents (6 cents).

Yes, it's time to get serious. I will reduce my spending to $1,999.94, but that’s what sacrifice is all about. I'll just have to do without some things, that are, frankly, luxuries. I will take one for the team!
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butlercaddie
Fear->Anger->Hate->Tea
05:23 PM on 10/11/2011
From 1268 to 1271, gridlock within the College of Cardinals, sitting at the Papal Palace of Viterbo, prevented the election of a new Pope. The frustrated people of Viterbo reduced their supplies to bread and water, and took the roof off, exposing them to the elements, until they reached a compromise.

That's beginning to sound like a real good idea.
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
03:45 PM on 11/13/2011
Dear butler- - - -: Quote: "-- - reduced their supplies to bread and water, and took the roof off, exposing them to the elements, until they reached a compromise­."

NOW YOUR TALKIN !!
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El Duderino 791
The Dude minds, man.
03:26 PM on 10/11/2011
From the beginning, it has been understood by all and sundry that the Super Committee would reach agreement on exactly nothing. To illustrate the point, we have obtained a short transcript of today's proceedings:

Pat Toomey: You gonna take some cards, John?

John Kerry: Hmm. I was for it before I was against it. Guess I'll just play these.

John Kyle: You're bluffing! I know a factual statement when I hear one.

Face it. Politics in America is so over. In fact, it should be renamed "bad theater" because that is all it is - posing and posturing. I have found that if you look at it that way it is much better for your blood pressure.
07:45 AM on 10/19/2011
Politics is no more nasty than in the past. Just look at the brutal political exchanges of the early/mid 19th century.

The differences, and they are serious, rests in the fact that the politicians or players are no longer willing to roll-up their sleeves, make tough compromises and come up with solutions that work.

The absurdity of "political correctness" has superimposed unreasonable and unworkable requirements that have severely penalized our Republic.
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
03:48 PM on 11/13/2011
Dear El D 79 Quote: "- -it is much better for your blood pressure."

AND for your SANITY,
nbj5215
RETIRED USN AND MERCHANT MARINE
02:34 PM on 10/11/2011
This super committee should have never happened . More blunders brought to you by none other than the Obama administration.
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knot2
12:06 PM on 10/17/2011
?? Not getting how you figure that?
While is administration has not been great -- the "super committee" is the brian child of the congress which formed it....
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
03:53 PM on 11/13/2011
Hello knot2:

No, its what you get when your opponent has the SWORD OF DAMOCLES hanging
over your head. Debt Limit Extension or national disgrace.
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vixter72
Think for yourself
11:24 AM on 10/11/2011
Why get rid of corporate tax breaks for corporations that have not proven to create the jobs they were meant to, allow those corporations that have created to jobs to keep their cuts, cut off all aid to illegal immigrants including medicaid, make and ENFORCE stronger penalties on illegal immigration, stop all aid to foreign countries that hate us anyway, bring the troops home and set them up at the borders, put a limit on government spending, put a higher tax on imports and exports......COMPROMISE
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vixter72
Think for yourself
12:14 PM on 10/11/2011
Typo should say why not
11:22 AM on 10/11/2011
How many hundreds of billions of dollars would we save if we closed bases and brought our troops home from the scores of countries around the world where they are no longer needed? Put those troops on our borders to keep illegals out, saving us an additional several hundred billion dollars. Opening closed bases here and reaping the dollars of our returned troops would help stimulate the economy in those locations. Go after wasteful and fraudelent spending in the Medicare and Medicaid programs, that would save billions as well.
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lawoff414
Common sense should rule
11:07 AM on 10/11/2011
Here's an idea. Why don't we suspend or cancel all foriegn aid to countries who continue to vote against us at the UN. This would save billions. Second, let some other country host the UN. It cost the American taxpayer a substantial amount to host this facility and none of the representatives or their families are subject to our laws (read diplomatic immunity). Get rid of all these leaches and use the money to fund American programs.
11:32 AM on 10/11/2011
lawoff - I agree that we should cut off aid, except for humanitarian purposes, to all foreign countries. We're broke, some of the countries receiving our money are better off than we are. We should ask oil-rich countries to reimburse us for the our endeavors to keep them safe or come to their aid. We have too many problems domestically to spend money we don't overseas.
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vixter72
Think for yourself
11:38 AM on 10/11/2011
Good comments
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Bill928
micro-bio?
11:03 AM on 10/11/2011
This is exactly what they were going to prevent so cancel it and go back to the old way.
10:29 AM on 10/11/2011
Seen this comming from a mile away.
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HarmonTerr
Eternal Vigilence!
10:08 AM on 10/11/2011
Republicans: Reduce government spending and taxes
Democrats: RAISE TAXES...SPEND...SPEND...SPEND....WE CAN"T HELP OURSELVES...WE'VE GONE MAD!!!
10:47 AM on 10/11/2011
You have gone mad!!!
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Bill928
micro-bio?
11:11 AM on 10/11/2011
Democrats: Create jobs, and tax the very wealthy who hoard their money and don't create jobs

Republicans: Cut more jobs, let the poor pay.

We have gone mad.
01:24 PM on 10/11/2011
WOW!
wowedby
Don't be stupid all your life
09:59 AM on 10/11/2011
But still you re elect these guys , time after time. Don't blame them..Its the voters who cause these stalemated committees With what public education has become its a wonder this country functions at all. Stupid Americans, would rather argue about irreverent matters of personal preferences while allowing these guys to steal the future you fight about. Abortion will not matter if you are poisoned by big corporations, race is a non issue if you all are poor, but keep up the fight, the socialist commie illegals are coming.
09:22 AM on 10/11/2011
time for the 12-12-12 plan ; you 12 have 12 days to cut 1.2 trill. , or yoy are demoted on 1-12-2012
09:42 AM on 10/11/2011
Well of course they are deadlocked. There are tax and spend Pelosi, Reid appointees on the committee
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karaokekoncerts
09:57 AM on 10/11/2011
...because we must make sure we delete as much as the middle class as possible under BoehnHead, right? Let's just call 99% America poor and let the fat cats keep getting richer. We don't matter, right? We are just their servants? Not in my world. ACT UP FIGHT BACK! ACT UP FIGHT BACK!
10:48 AM on 10/11/2011
And there are NO MORE TAX for the ultra rich America be dammed on the committee.