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FDIC Backs So-Called Volcker Rule Banning Proprietary Trading

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MARCY GORDON   10/11/11 07:25 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Banks would be barred from trading for their own profit instead of their clients under a rule federal regulators proposed Tuesday.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. backed the draft rule on a 3-0 vote. The ban on so-called proprietary trading was required under the financial overhaul law.

Critics on the left dismissed the effort as weak and marred by loopholes. And banks argued that it would hurt the economy. The FDIC's vote now puts the rule out for public comment.

The Federal Reserve has also approved a draft of the proposal, called the Volcker Rule after former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker.

For years, banks had bet on risky investments with their own money. But when those bets go bad and banks fail, taxpayers could be forced to bail them out. That's what happened during the 2008 financial crisis.

A ban on proprietary trading could help President Barack Obama in next year's election by showing he has pushed for tougher policies to curb risky trading on Wall Street.

A harder line with bankers might also help Obama win over protesters on Wall Street. Many say Obama was too lenient on the banks because he continued the bailouts that had begun under President George W. Bush.

Congress and Obama had hoped the Volcker Rule would blunt such criticism. But they left most of the details for regulators to sort out. It's unclear how strictly the ban will be enforced.

At least one of the protesters on Wall Street was willing to give the rule a chance. Robert Eatman, who was protesting in New York on Tuesday, called the rule a "decent effort."

Eatman worked on Wall Street for 20 years as an office manager and in other positions at securities firms. He said that if financial rules for banks hadn't been relaxed in the late 1990s, "the foundation for this reform would have been in place" already.

Under the draft rule, banks must hold investments for more than 60 days. Regulators determined that that was enough time to limit speculative trading.

Senior and mid-level managers would be required to make sure bank employees comply with the restrictions. But the rule doesn't say what happens if they don't.

Traders should not be paid in a manner that encourages risk-taking, but the rule doesn't outline what that entails.

The Securities and Exchange Commission must still vote on the rule, and then the public has until Jan. 13 to comment. The rule is expected to take effect by July after a final vote by all the regulators. Banks would have until July 2014 to comply.

Critics contend that the rule as written is too vague and its effect on risk-taking will be limited. Banks have a history of working around rules and exploiting loopholes. In this case, banks can make most trades simply by arguing that the trade offsets another risk that the bank bet on.

The draft rule "draws too few bright lines to make clear what banks can and cannot do," said Bartlett Naylor, financial policy advocate at the liberal group Public Citizen. "The regulators are proposing that they will detect the difference between various trades by fishing through complex data provided by the banks after the fact. This is an invitation for evasion."

The rule was proposed by the Fed. Some critics argue the Fed often capitulates when bankers complain that regulations make it harder for them to do business.

Wall Street banks say the ban on proprietary trading could prevent them from buying and selling investments that their customers might want.

The banking industry said Tuesday the rule is too complex to work and will put U.S. financial firms at a competitive disadvantage to those in other countries.

"How can banks comply with a rule that complicated, and how can regulators effectively administer it in a way that doesn't make it harder for banks to serve their customers and further weaken the broader economy?" Frank Keating, head of the American Bankers Association, said in a statement.

At the same time, several big U.S. banks have already shut down their proprietary trading operations in response to the financial overhaul. Critics say they have merely spread those traders across other desks without ending their risky practices.

The rule also would limit banks' investments in hedge funds and private equity funds, which are lightly regulated investment pools. Banks wouldn't be allowed to own more than 3 percent of such a fund. In addition, a bank's investments in such a fund couldn't exceed 3 percent of its capital.

Before Congress passed the financial regulatory overhaul, banks had no limit on how much of those funds they could own. Still, typically on Wall Street, such investments already fall below the 3 percent threshold.

Banks could still put their clients' money into those funds. They will still be able to manage such funds, and collect fees and a percentage of trading profits.

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AP Business Writer Daniel Wagner in Washington and Associated Press writer Verena Dobnik in New York contributed to this report.

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08:24 AM on 10/12/2011
Ban on banks trading for their own profit? I guess it would be safe to say that I won't be investing in any bank stocks, eh?
05:26 AM on 10/13/2011
You probably like your profit from banking stocks, but are oh so happy to pass on the regular catastrophic losses to the taxpayer.
03:43 AM on 10/12/2011
Yah, why should bankers make money?!?! They get to touch it all day...honestly, who the hell are these people to tell private institutions that they can't make more money. If they make money, they have more money to lend and invest. Disgusting. Marxism 100%.
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aklib
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05:20 AM on 10/12/2011
Because it is YOUR money that the banks are putting at risk. The banks invest the depositor's money. If the investment is good and pays off, then the bank makes the profit. If the investment is poor and the banks lose the money, YOU pay for it. You and I as taxpayers have to come up with the money to cover the bank's losses because deposits are insured by the government up to 250k. The banks CAN'T LOSE! But the taxpayers can.That may be okay for you, but it's not okay for me. The regulation is absolutely necessary. Additionally, Marxism has absolutely NOTHING to do with this issue. Get it?
01:04 PM on 10/12/2011
I only believe in free and open system. You do not put your money in a bank without knowing the risks. If they lie, then that's fraud. That's not what happened here. Banks are not free. Banks are instruments of the state. And most people don't care to know or understand the regulations and laws and agreements that govern those relationships. It is 100% statism/socialism and it always leads to destruction...has in every managed economy in the last 100 years and will continue to.
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05:43 AM on 10/12/2011
"For years, banks had bet on risky investments with their own money. But when those bets go bad and banks fail, taxpayers could be forced to bail them out. That's what happened during the 2008 financial crisis."

I will translate this for you, since you seem unable to grasp the concept from the article, which was admittedly poorly written by an uninformed author: the bank execs made huge gambles on high risk securities, paid themselves huge bonuses for it, and then got their bought politicians in the White House and Congress to bail them out with tax payer money when the bets went bad. Here someone is trying to propose a rule to prevent that from happening again.

Don't worry, this rule is going nowhere. Obama will stomp on it through backdoor channels before that happens.
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Siebenstein
99% -Don't do what they tell you !
07:01 AM on 10/12/2011
I doubt that your explanation reaches people like the one above. Just a lost cause !
01:07 PM on 10/12/2011
In fact, without the condescension that you leveled at me...I do understand. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion- When you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing- when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors- when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you- when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice- you may know that your society is doomed.
12:59 AM on 10/12/2011
Why people don't just dump the banks and use their local credit unions is something I'll never understand. The interest rates they charge on loans and pay to their members are competitive with banks.

I switched my local credit uniom and have never looked back.

I think the reason might be due to the fact that they are member (depositors) owned.
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Don Hastie Cain
Wish them into the cornfield
09:25 AM on 10/12/2011
I have used a credit union for decades. A million times better than the greedy banks. Credit Unions also benefit your local community through charities and other organizations.
12:46 AM on 10/12/2011
Pau;lVolcker Bernanke are pwehaps the best and most competent Federal Reserve we've had in over the past 60 years or so.

I would like to see the SEC approve the current proposal. Then, I would like them to follow that outling the punishments that can be levied up to and including the break up of thje rogue institutions.
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As an aside, how can a bank have money of its "own"? I thought the bank's obligation was lend money and uaw the earnings to pay depositors a meager amount with rest going to the stockholders. It should be from the stockerholders share that such things as building and space, corporat employee salaries are paid from. It appears that the big banks of today have forgotten such things. That perhaps is why today's "to big to fail" banks still their same boards of directors, the same CEOs and employees who led us into the biggest depression (aka grewat recession since the Great Depression.

Go get em Wall Street Occupiers!
nanjemoy
first, check your satire-o-meter.
12:41 AM on 10/12/2011
Corporate Banks are bad economic partners. They have no place in a rational democracy.

They should be dissolved and converted to Credit Unions - democratically owned, one member, one vote, not for profit institutions.
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Eddie VanderMolen
take media to task
10:39 PM on 10/11/2011
One tiny tiny step. If they're too big to fail, they're too big to exist.
iam99
To know what you prefer...
10:32 PM on 10/11/2011
This is important.
You really need the news on the European debt crisis - like on Zero Hedge.
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elfish
10:30 PM on 10/11/2011
Test: Frank
HopeWFaith
We the People
09:13 PM on 10/11/2011
Clean up the foggy bottom of this Bill and make the lines clear in the sand for all to see, for all to understand. Letting the banker boys in on writing this Bill was the biggest mistake Dodd made while writing it. He blew it, and I wrote to him begging him not to. He did not listen. Then he was in shock when people did not want to contribute to his re-election, so he said he would not run again. Its too bad he could not put American voters first, the banks last.

The reason the rules are too "complicated" to manage is that they are too bloody vague, so no one believes they have to comply with them. Whom will be checking on rules and practices that no one understands clearly? Anybody? Nobody. No Kidding. Ya Think?
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rikster
buy the ticket-take the ride
08:03 PM on 10/11/2011
I bet..who's going to enforce it....?
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:52 PM on 10/11/2011
They suddenly become HONEST AS THEY ARE DEPARTING!

THE GUILT INCREASES AND PRESSURE TO L1E IS REDUCED!
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:50 PM on 10/11/2011
Manufactured Insider Trading: FRAUDSTERS IN THESE BANKS with help of HEDGE FUND FRAUDSTERS make products to FAIL, sells to clients, and then bet the products sold to clients FAILS for SURE FRAUDULENT GAINS IN THEIR POCKETS.

THEY SHOULD BE ARRESTED AND PROSECUTED FOR ISIDER TRADING AND MISREPRESENTATION OF THEIR FRAUDULENT PRODUCTS!
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:46 PM on 10/11/2011
The fact BANKSTERS (and CANT0R against Americans)  trade against their OWN CLIENTS (C1T1ZENS) for GAIN would make me stop using their services!

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Siebenstein
99% -Don't do what they tell you !
07:10 AM on 10/12/2011
Correct.
Cantor should be recalled for putting the country at risk.

and

We need to occupy DC, since the government is unwilling to prosecute banksters for the practices you described and we all know by now.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
07:46 PM on 10/11/2011
"We are in the Midst of ..an epic moment, the most MASSIVE transfer of DEBTS from Bankers to Governments and the People that the world has ever seen and it is going to be a painful slow process..taking many years." 20 to 50 YEARS!
 
 -- Wilbur Ross  Famous WS $Billionaire TRADER 
 
IT IS EITHER THEM (1%) OR US (99%)!
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Siebenstein
99% -Don't do what they tell you !
07:05 AM on 10/12/2011
My personal impression from reading and discussing this issue is that banks don't have that much money any more. I think they are at the brink of bancruptcy. There is a lot of talk about how they are making profits again/still, but if you know about the detriments going on with housing and how that effects the banking system, I seriously doubt banks are 'healthy'. They need to be broken up ASAP, nationalized and monitored, otherwise we will hit the fan.
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Jondrea Smith
untied dog in a dogmatic society
04:08 PM on 10/12/2011
I've been trying to avoid speculation, but I agree with your suspicion. This latest trend of massive on-paper profits, equally massive bonuses paid out--even when there were supposed to be austerity measures imposed on the banks--and the squirreling away of assets overseas does seem suspiciously like a last looting of the coffers in the anticipation of a run on the banks.
05:41 PM on 10/12/2011
Yes they are making lots of profits on the stocks and commodities markets. They aren't investing in a productive market, its all paper goods with no more real value than what the next guy is willing to pay for it.

So no they aren't healthy when you look at them long term, but no one with money really cares about the long term. All that matters in the next quarter report and how big the bonus will be.
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Ed Baker
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07:13 PM on 10/11/2011
If the rules are as they are represented here, I would say it's not enough. It was a huge mistake to allow banks to start making these kinds of investments. Federally insured institutions should have to return to the former investment regimes of fixed income instruments, munis and treasuries.

If the bank wants to trade, let them do so with a fully funded, walled off subsidiary that is not insured by public money, and limit the amount of bank capital that can be invested in such subsidiaries. Then let the traders trade - and stay out of their comp plans. They are paid to manage risks, let them work without a bunch of legalistic rules.

Much simpler, easier to enforce. The OCC goes back to being the OCC......

Federally insured institutions do not belong in investment banking.