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Obama Jobs Plan To Save Teacher Positions Makes Many Assumptions

Obama Jobs Plan

KIMBERLY HEFLING   10/11/11 04:07 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — It's a startling statistic on the state of American schools: An estimated 280,000 teaching and other education jobs could be lost in the coming year, according to the White House.

As the Senate prepares for a showdown vote on the jobs bill Tuesday, President Barack Obama is promising to not only save the education jobs at risk, but to support a total of 400,000 education jobs by actions such as rehiring teachers already laid off.

In estimating the potential number of jobs that could be lost and how many his plan could save, the White House makes giant leaps. A look at the claims and how they compare with the facts:

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OBAMA: "Now, this bill will prevent up to 280,000 teachers from losing their jobs. This bill will support almost 40,000 jobs right here in the great state of Texas. So here's what I need you to do: Tell Congress to pass this bill and put teachers back in the classroom where they belong," Obama said Oct. 4 at Eastfield College in Mesquite, Texas.

THE FACTS: There's no doubt that public schools, which rely heavily on state dollars, are hurting. Since 2008, when the economy collapsed, about 294,000 education jobs have been lost, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That figure includes not only public school teachers, but also administrative and support personnel and employees of colleges and universities. In desperation, school districts have not only laid off teachers and aides but taken measures such as eliminating pre-K programs, going to a four-day school week and cutting bus routes.

Obama is predicting that without his legislation, nearly as many jobs will be lost this school year as in the past three school years combined. In a report released this month titled "Teacher Jobs at Risk," the White House says "as many as" 280,000 teacher jobs are at risk in the coming year. But to get to that number, the White House makes a lot of assumptions.

The administration says it started with projected state budget shortfalls in a report from the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. It then made a series of assumptions, including that spending cuts in each state would be applied proportionally across major budget categories, and that school salaries would be cut in proportion to their share of total spending for K-12 education. The spending cuts were then converted into numbers of jobs based on teacher pay in each state.

Even the group the White House relied on for its data says you can't do that. The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities said in another report that "it is not possible to calculate directly the additional loss of jobs resulting from state education budget cuts."

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WHITE HOUSE REPORT: Obama's plan, which would invest $30 billion in preserving teacher jobs, "will provide support for nearly 400,000 education jobs, enough for states to avoid harmful layoffs, rehire tens of thousands of teachers who lost their jobs over the past three years, preserve or extend the regular school day and school year, and support important after-school activities." It said funding would be targeted to districts most in need of support, especially those with a high share of students living in poverty.

THE FACTS: As the Obama administration learned in its first round of economic stimulus spending, it's nearly impossible to quantify how many jobs are created or saved through infusions of federal dollars. In that $787 billion program two years ago, the White House eventually abandoned its controversial method to count jobs after numerous errors were found.

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WASHINGTON — It's a startling statistic on the state of American schools: An estimated 280,000 teaching and other education jobs could be lost in the coming year, according to the White House. ...
WASHINGTON — It's a startling statistic on the state of American schools: An estimated 280,000 teaching and other education jobs could be lost in the coming year, according to the White House. ...
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
11:33 AM on 10/14/2011
If history is to be any use at all, we should note that budget shortfalls and teacher layoffs (and other education program cuts) are "correlated" to say the least.

Is anyone even suggesting that the anticipated shortfalls will not affect teacher hiring? Or that states (and cities) will hire more teachers despite the decreasing funding anticipated?

Perhaps the way to say it is that "lots" of teachers will lose their jobs. Recent history teaches us that beyond a doubt. The relation to funding is indisputable.

In order to make any proposal, some basis must exist and the loses of jobs documented over the past several years can be a pretty good guide. That's what Obama did. It involves assumptions, but the assumptions are based on history.
09:24 PM on 10/11/2011
I'm not really concerned with whether Obama's numbers are exact. The gist of what he's saying is certainly correct, and saving teachers' jobs is an excellent way to both stimulate the economy (unlike the "job creators" on Wall Street, teachers make little enough that they spend most of it) and invest in the future.

Maybe the plan will only save 300,000 desperately needed education jobs. So what? They're still needed.
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rdsmith627
09:39 PM on 10/11/2011
I have just hunkered down and stopped pumping my money back into supplies for my classroom. With all of the uncertainty I need to save every penny.
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10:12 PM on 10/11/2011
Same here. I usually spend about 300 to 400 dollars a year on basic school supplies, little prizes, snacks, games, books from thrift stores, socks, hats, mittens, eyeglass cases, etc. but not anymore. I can't keep doing this and taking money from my family. Instead I'll scrounge around the house and ask friends if they have any things they aren't using to donate that I can bring to school. I'm supposed to get $60 a year per student on my caseload to buy materials, but I've never gotten that much. I was told I'll get only $350 this year for 46 students over 9 grade levels and four different subject areas. That is crazy.
02:16 PM on 10/12/2011
BHO's numbers are NEVER right!
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DocJoseph
A bleeding heart will heal; a cold heart will not
11:35 AM on 10/14/2011
I suppose that might depend on how "right" you think they should be. I suspect that if he was off by 1 cent you would make the same claim.

Unrealistic expectations are - unrealistic.
05:58 PM on 10/14/2011
Few people's are. Doesn't change the fact that, even if his numbers are off, this is a good idea. And it doesn't change the fact that Republicans right now are generally opposing good ideas, anything that might make things better for most Americans, since they want to keep things bad to hurt Obama's re-election chances.
05:48 PM on 10/11/2011
Well I for one am certainly glad Governor Brown of California signed a bill allowing illegal immigrants our tax dollars to attend college in California for free. makes sense to me that an illegal should get free education but say, a kid from Arizona not only has to pay for college there but pay out of state tuition as well. This is one great country isnt it.
02:12 PM on 10/12/2011
i hope all of the illegals that arefleeing the state of AL end up in CA. illegals have added to their (CA) deficit and will never be in the black...
CHUXKLES
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04:44 PM on 10/11/2011
"Obama Jobs Plan To Save Teacher Positions Makes Many Assumptions"
"THE FACTS: As the Obama administration learned in its first round of economic stimulus spending, it's nearly impossible to quantify how many jobs are created or saved through infusions of federal dollars. In that $787 billion program two years ago, the White House eventually abandoned its controversial method to count jobs after numerous errors were found."

Not my words and forgiveable...because ....after all it's only MATH. You know 1%-1 =100,000,000.000.... guess there is always room for error...

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Viper1st
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04:14 PM on 10/11/2011
Yes, it's old news that the $787 billion ObamaStimulus Act of 2009 went in large part to State & Local Gov'ts to maintain their States' budgetary short-falls due to recession deminishing tax revenues to, in part as a temporary band-aid, save each States' EDUCATION Funding & teachers' jobs across the nation.

in 2011, when the $787 billion was gone & States had to balance their budgets without the infusion of ObamaStimulus ~ what happened?

46 of 50 States had to Slash funding to EDUCATION to balance their 2011-12 budget laying off causing the lay-offs of 10% of the nation's Teachers

Texas, alone Slashed $4 billion from their state EDUCATION funding, causing the lay-off of an additional 900 Texas Teachers without jobs to provide a livelihood for their families.

Sorry to have to say this ~ AT FAULT is the 1982 SCOTUS ruling Plyler v. Doe, mandating that the U.S. Taxpayer fund FREE K-12 Education to illegals

Today, over 850,000 illegal K-12 students ANNUALLY are Educated for FREE by over $8 billion USD funded by the U.S. Taxpayer ~ this has got to STOP, The U.S. Education System is at critical mass of jeopardizing the quality of Education to U.S. Citizen Students, as well as, the entire U.S. Education System.

Teachers ~ it's your choice. Or join the ranks of the 14 million U.S. Citizens out of work in their own homeland, trying to feed, clothe, shelter & educate THEIR Children, with NO JOBS.
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roaddawg31
08:24 PM on 10/11/2011
The vast majority of teachers would likely support this move by the President, because most teachers are ignorant.
03:40 PM on 10/11/2011
Any charter school teacher who is able will run to the public schools for a living wage.
02:09 PM on 10/11/2011
Gawd this is ignorant. Most districts temporarily saved all those jobs he talks about with stim money. It is running out this year. Duh. You CAN use the exact math the white house is using. I get so tired of uninformed people "correcting" the people who actually know what they are talking about. Of course 158,000 will lose their jobs. Half, 158,000 were lost. Half of the cuts were delayed for 2-3 years by stim funds. How hard is that to understand???? Geez!
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
06:12 PM on 10/11/2011
Whats really disengenious is that if given the chance the same jobs they claimed to have "saved" two years ago will all be counted again. No new jobs, just Dues paying positions saved for his union buddies.
08:21 PM on 10/11/2011
So people who were laid off, rehired with stim funds, and laid off again when that ran out aren't new jobs? Huh? Aren't they unemployed?? Won't they be (read slowly here) HIRED into jobs that no longer exist unless this money comes in? Don't worry, the tiny amount of money unions give pales in comparison to the corporate funding of the rep party. Do you realize a graph of the decline of union members versus median income are almost exactly identical? Do you realize a Harvard study concluded that decline in union members was 1/3 of the reason for the 40% jump in income inequality? Why do you hate American workers? The avg American family makes a stack of hundred dollar bills a couple of inches tall every year. The avg American billionaire? A stack 1 kilometer high for EACH billion. Why do you want to do the fluffing of robber barons?
09:20 PM on 10/11/2011
Obama's education policies have been as anti-teacher, anti-union, and (if we're to be honest) anti-education as Bush's, and that's saying something, as the standard for destruction of education was set pretty high under Bush.

To claim that Obama has "union buddies" requires almost total ignorance, willful or otherwise.
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roaddawg31
08:25 PM on 10/11/2011
Ignorant is why most teachers support this. They think "more money", "more funding"... but they don't realize how it actually hurts the overall economy even worse, then not having that more money.
07:47 PM on 10/12/2011
You poor thing. Every extra dime spent helps the economy. That is why the rich (who horde and not spend) having all the money (again) caused a Great Depression... AGAIN!
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rltballer
why is equality difficult for some to understand?
02:04 PM on 10/11/2011
Doing something is better than the republican plan of doing nothing.
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roaddawg31
08:26 PM on 10/11/2011
No it's not. Doing nothing (if for a purpose), is much better than doing something that will certainly cause more harm than good.
02:04 PM on 10/11/2011
regardless of what ends up happening, this baloney of playing politics with school funding is ridiculous and having a very negative impact on schools.
whenever teachers get fired then hired back, there is some displacement. the end result can be that you have all the same teachers back, but many of them teacher in a different place than the year before. this is horribly inconsistent for the kids and their school environments. This has happened twice in the past few years in our district now, and we cannot afford to have it happen again. fund education the way its supposed to be funded, and allow districts to maintain consistency across years that provides kids with a more stable learning environment.
Gobama, are you listening??!
beverlyamy1
I ALWAYS GET THE LAST WORD.
03:25 PM on 10/11/2011
hell why should he care his girls will be well educated in the private sector.
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Gem Mayers
01:18 PM on 10/11/2011
I have heard the only jobs (proposed at least...) that teachers will "get back" are union jobs- meaning, laid off tenured teachers. What about beginning teachers, charter school teachers, and teachers in non-union states? If teachers "deserve" their jobs back, don't all teachers "deserve" it?
02:10 PM on 10/11/2011
ALL public school teachers. ALL. PUBLIC. Gawd! You "heard" just what you wanted to hear.
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Gem Mayers
02:31 PM on 10/11/2011
Will every school employee laid off since 2008 get their jobs back? Or will there be some cut-off criteria i.e. experience, years on the job, union membership, etc? Also, does “every public school teacher” include charter school teachers?
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roaddawg31
08:23 PM on 10/11/2011
Great point. Does this laid-off teacher measure, also include new teachers? After all, there are MANY who have not been able to find a job... certainly not a permanent job, given their level of seniority (a totally ridiculous measure anyway).

Me thinks that the tenured teachers will find a way BTW, to siphone some of these funds to reinstating furlough days (i.e. more money for them) before it goes strictly to new teacher hiring.