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Google Engineer Trashes Google+ As A 'Pathetic Afterthought,' 'Knee-Jerk Reaction'

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 10/12/11 02:36 PM ET Updated: 12/12/11 05:12 AM ET

Google+ hasn't been getting much love from users in recent days--its traffic reportedly plummeted 60 percent from its peak--but the most damning criticism seems to be coming from Google itself.

A post penned by Google engineer Steve Yegge has surfaced and in it, the software engineer trashes Google+ as a "pathetic afterthought" and "knee-jerk reaction."

Yegge describes Google+ as "a study in short-term thinking, predicated on the incorrect notion that Facebook is successful because they built a great product."

"But that's not why they are successful," he continues in the post, which was shared. "Facebook is successful because they built an entire constellation of products by allowing other people to do the work. So Facebook is different for everyone. Some people spend all their time on Mafia Wars. Some spend all their time on Farmville. There are hundreds or maybe thousands of different high-quality time sinks available, so there's something there for everyone."

Yegge also argued that Google's mistake was to attempt to "predict what people want and deliver it for them," an exercise that few if any innovators have been able to do successfully.

"Steve Jobs was one of them. We don't have a Steve Jobs here," Yegge wrote. "I'm sorry, but we don't."

In a follow-up post directed at "external-world folks," Yegge wrote that the 4,500-word entry, titled "Steve's Google Platforms Rant," had been posted publicly by mistake and that he had decided to remove the post because it was "really a private conversation between me and my peers and co-workers at Google."

The sharing mishap is particularly noteworthy given that Google touted Google+'s privacy protections as a key selling point and one of the major advantages its social service offered over Facebook. Google+'s "Circles" feature was lauded by Google as a solution to precisely this type of accidental over-sharing (if indeed it was an accident: one user who reposted Yegge's entry and made it available to the general public thanked Yegge for "allowing us to keep it out there" and said he "was given permission to keep it up"). "You share different things with different people. But sharing the right stuff with the right people shouldn’t be a hassle," Google wrote of Cricles when Google+ launched.

Yegge maintains that Google hasn't cracked down on him following his post.

"I contacted our internal PR folks and asked what to do, and they were also nice and supportive. But they didn't want me to think that they were even hinting at censoring me [emphasis his] -- they went out of their way to help me understand that we're an opinionated company, and not one of the kinds of companies that censors their employees," he noted.

His entry has since been re-posted on Google+ and Hacker News, among other sites.

Google did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the matter.

Google CEO Larry Page has been mum on the matter on his own Google+ account--his most recent post was about a new YouTube initiative, YouTube Space Lab.

Yegge is hardly the first Google employee to demonstrate mixed feelings about Google+. Though Google is said to have "bet the company" on the recently-launched social networking platform, many of the web giant's senior executives have barely used the site, according to research by MIchael DeGusta.

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Early in September, Google+ added a Twitter-like feature that compiled popular users into categories for easy discovery. This so-called Suggested Users List prompted a backlash from users. The Huffington Post's Craig Kanalley worried that the list would "alienate people and lead to an inevitable followers war that can hurt the health of the social network and inflate people's egos," but Google's Bradley Horowitz was quick to promise that the site would soon add more categories to the list. He also said that many kinds of users would be featured, not just the most popular or best known.


Others, however, pointed out even more problems. SFGate.com said that the users on the list were "overwhelmingly white," and Blogger Alexander Howard said the list raised "[c]oncerns about transparency, free advertising, influence, diversity and even accuracy." Blogger Robert Scoble went so far as to request that Google+ remove him from the SUL. "It just isn't a well curated list and so I don't want my name associated with it," wrote Scoble.

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Google+ hasn't been getting much love from users in recent days--its traffic reportedly plummeted 60 percent from its peak--but the most damning criticism seems to be coming from Google itself. A p...
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ike1960
01:52 AM on 10/14/2011
Here a very interesting piece of news.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15300838
12:40 AM on 10/14/2011
As Groucho Marx would have said "I want to belong to a club on which nobody else will accept to be a member"
11:08 PM on 10/13/2011
This IS NOT actually a problem with the circles concept or oversharing, that idea is completely sound. This is a problem of having 2 identical sites, one Google internal limited and one external. Posted on one or the other is actually completely plausible, and the user's fault, not a reflection of Google's privacy policy.
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Knowledgeseeker
10:48 PM on 10/13/2011
Google need to cut their senior executives bonuses if they don’t use G+
09:52 PM on 10/13/2011
G+ didnt cost anything. Google will be fine they have 100s of revenue generating projects going on. From generating electricity to..........you name it.
09:49 PM on 10/13/2011
Ofcourse membership dropped by 60%. They wanted to invade privacy by requiring REAL NAMES.
08:48 PM on 10/13/2011
Facebook is a easy way to connect with friends, but its getting more complicated. In my view I think people will soon just get rid of social sites cause we honestly only go on there to chat and connect with friends and family about it. Google + sucks. But that's what we said about facebook before, so who knows but oh well
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OhBarryBaby
09:04 PM on 10/13/2011
Agreed. Too many clicks just to get to where it used to take one. I'm getting tired of it as well.
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OhBarryBaby
08:22 PM on 10/13/2011
Interesting - they say it's now been turned into a slick marketing ploy: (Sorry, not sure if the link will take - but it's Aulia Web Design's Facebook page) - http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Aulia-Web-Design/240302086012424

I can't see that it was intended that way, but it sure seems that way now!
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nonyabusinessinpa
08:03 PM on 10/13/2011
AND lets not forget the fact the GOOGLE SPY'S ON YOU!!
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fairey01
08:48 PM on 10/13/2011
Oh, please...as if Facebook is not 100 times worse.How disingenuous.
11:02 PM on 10/13/2011
Spy's => Spies. It really makes it hard to take you seriously when you have the grammar skills of a 1st grader.
tennisguy
Too much preparation and there is no first step.
07:50 PM on 10/13/2011
I think the next post we get from Yegge will be from the soup kitchen. The kitchen in San Jose has wi fi.
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nonyabusinessinpa
08:03 PM on 10/13/2011
i guess you're talking from personal experience then?
tennisguy
Too much preparation and there is no first step.
08:13 PM on 10/13/2011
Aw, did I hurt your delicate feelings? I guess you are his significant other.
07:23 PM on 10/13/2011
I would've signed up if i could keep up a blog.
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OhBarryBaby
06:46 PM on 10/13/2011
I'm glad to see Google took it in the spirt of being a "good sport", unlike Starbucks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUTrJW-0xtc

One of the reasons I've always admired the people at Google.
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brokenleoheart
05:50 PM on 10/13/2011
google+'s biggest mistake is to let only certain people trying it out. to be honest i would've signed up if i could when i heard about it. but now i just don't want to anymore.
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Ed Gibson
05:38 PM on 10/13/2011
Google is a search engine, you find the product, besides us who bought the shares @ 91.00 when it went public could care less what they try, they are still way ahead of the game in search engines.
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DDL13
05:25 PM on 10/13/2011
A company is only as good as its employees believe it to be. Once they start becoming unsatisfied its a sure sign there is trouble within. Oh well.
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cedy
not actually funny
09:38 PM on 10/13/2011
I totally agree, companies will put out a great product if the employees believe they are truly doing wonderful work. If it becomes a hassle to work, like over bearing management that is only doing the bidding from higher up, the whole thing becomes a wash, a pitiful one at that.

Interesting though in that with Apple, Steve Jobs only allowed the best it could be. That sounds like over bearing management too, but in this case, the products coming out were incredible, and it was the pushing from Jobs that allowed the employees to reach their full potential. The idea of pushing hard, really isn't the problem if it inspires, no inspiration = a horrible experience. That is what made Jobs such an incredible person.

Google was smart to not censure this employee, if they brought the hammer down on him, I can't imagine how fast morale would dive. Google being an innovative company itself realizes this, and frankly, it sounds to me like they needed to hear it.