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Tim Kaine: 'Nobody's Ever Cut Their Way To Prosperity'

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First Posted: 10/12/11 01:14 PM ET Updated: 12/12/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Speaking at an infrastructure conference on Tuesday, Democratic Senate candidate Tim Kaine of Virginia laid out his vision for achieving both deficit reduction and infrastructure growth.

"Cutting is incredibly important," he told the audience. "But I believe passionately that nobody's ever cut their way to prosperity."

Figuring out how to satisfy the current mania for deficit reduction while paying for infrastructure spending, which mainstream economists say would create jobs, may prove to be a difficult balancing act for Democrats seeking to paint themselves as centrists during this election cycle. Contrary to economists like Nouriel Roubini, Kaine believes that achieving both goals at once is possible.

The former Virginia governor distinguished between the "over-consumption strategy" that the United States pursued during the 2000s and "double-plus spending" that created long-term growth potential.

"We've got to at the national level acknowledge that the previous model -- the overspending, the deficits don't matter model -- that model has failed, and the consumption model has got to be replaced by an innovation and investment model," he said.

"Infrastructure's about spending, so why is that kind of spending good and other kinds of spending bad?" Kaine asked. "I call infrastructure spending a kind of double plus spending: it's double plus because in the short term, infrastructure spending is a job creator, but in the long term it raises your platform for economic success."

Asked by HuffPost about the American Jobs Act, Kaine, who was mostly recently the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, declined to state whether he would vote for President Obama's proposed economic stimulus bill if he were a member of Congress. That bill, which the Congressional Budget Office estimates would decrease the deficit by $6 billion dollars between 2012 and 2021, includes some $105 billion for infrastructure spending over the next two years.

"On the projects, I'm in good shape, but I have a different attitude on the pay-for," Kaine said, suggesting that he'd prefer the bill to be funded with a different provision. "I like to do the pay-for by Bush tax cut expiration at the top end."

Kaine also praised the infrastructure projects in Virginia funded by the Recovery Act as "very strong."

Before the conference, the consulting firm CG/LA Infrastructure announced the results of its survey of public- and private-sector executives. The survey measured infrastructure "vision" and compared it to countries around the world -- and apparently the United States is on par with Peru and well below countries like Brazil, India and China.

"If you talk to serious infrastructure guys and you ask them where would you rather go to bid on a project, they would say Peru," said Norman Anderson, CEO of CG/LA infrastructure. "Because projects in the US start and stop, nobody knows what they've been doing, and they just go on and on."

Democrats and Republicans in Congress continue to argue over how to pay for a new transportation bill to cover improvements to roads, rail and bridges. House Republicans would like to expand offshore oil drilling to pay for a long-term bill. The Senate would like to approve a shorter extension of the transportation bill that dips into the general fund to cover a structural shortfall in the gas tax revenues that traditionally paid for roadbuilding.

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WASHINGTON -- Speaking at an infrastructure conference on Tuesday, Democratic Senate candidate Tim Kaine of Virginia laid out his vision for achieving both deficit reduction and infrastructure growth.
WASHINGTON -- Speaking at an infrastructure conference on Tuesday, Democratic Senate candidate Tim Kaine of Virginia laid out his vision for achieving both deficit reduction and infrastructure growth.
 
 
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02:22 AM on 10/13/2011
As a matter of fact the corporations of this nation for the most part accept their entitlement programs while recording billions in profit at the same time and the taxes they pay have been flipped use to be they paid more than the citizen and for the past several decades that has been reversed now the citizen pays more then they do and you honestly think that building infrastructure is going to fix america's problems? America's problems will not be fixed nor reversed until politicians and citizens alike are ready to tackle the true problem and that is corporation corruption, political corruption and the illegal banking industry that has been in existence since Dec 1913 and has never under gone one audit. That fact alone is amazing to me. Even more amazing to me is politicians think they can come up with a sales line or two and the people will be okay. I am here to tell you the average American citizen is sick to death of the entire lot of you. Your bottom suckers, self centered egotistical no body's that are only concerned with one thing and that is you!!
02:21 AM on 10/13/2011
. We have companies recording billions in profit and yet they remain on the government's welfare program yet the government cringes when a family that can not afford to eat applies for food stamps and makes them jump through all kinds of hoops to gain access to something that is much needed for their survival. My question is how many hoops did Goldman Sachs have to jump through, or General Electric company or any company that receives tax breaks and other government endowments? We both know the answer is zero.
02:18 AM on 10/13/2011
Sounds like Roosevelt's New Deal plan. It will get people back to work but my only questions are as follows
Are you going to end the greed of the bankers and wall street that got the other 98% in this mess? Will they face the criminal charges they should have faced to begin with? Or will they receive more bailout money? See the thing that is really wrong in this country has nothing to do with elections as much as it has to do with a corrupt political and economic system that has benefited the few and left the majority to pay while they skip out without paying. The Federal Reserve Act was an act of Fraud and turned our monetary system from a system of wealth and wealth building into a system of debt and failure. Until that is addressed I personally do not see anything changing in this country. Except even more people will wind up homeless and even more citizens will put their children to bed hungry and even more citizens will die of preventable diseases because they could not afford medical care because the insurance companies continue to have politicians since they paid for them to write laws that are to their benefit and profit line and to Hades to the people they effect
11:14 PM on 10/12/2011
Yep, what we need is another Harvard law grad telling us how business works!

His experience was as a trial lawyer for the "opressed". Pretty lucrative business, that. Shake deep pocketed people down and take a big cut off the top.

I'm not sure I have any further interest in what Harvard elitists think is the right path for our country. I'm pretty sure they have no clue.
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WeWillWin
None asked, none taken.
10:48 AM on 10/13/2011
Everyone watch out! A person with an education has given his opinion. Who do these elitist think they are? Just because they went to a fancy librul law school doesn't mean they know more about anything than me. What we really need is another uninformed ignoramus poisoning our discourse with more conservative logic about why tax cuts and spending cuts are the answer to every problem from healthcare to homelessness to war.
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cabrobst
Return the top rate to 90%.
06:07 PM on 10/12/2011
He's the man!
06:07 PM on 10/12/2011
Becoming insolvent by printing money is not a solution, nor is lying to the masses that entitlements
are sustainable.
06:01 PM on 10/12/2011
If I remember correctly, Dick Cheney said that deficits don't matter. He and his buddies squandered our surplus, imperiled the economy and we've been trying to climb out ever since.
11:15 PM on 10/12/2011
Yep, Bush's fault! Good call. An oldie but a goodie!
lowlycitizen
Kindness is free, spread liberally
11:24 PM on 10/12/2011
There's no expiration date on the truth. Bush did push this country to the dumpster.
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:21 PM on 10/12/2011
""Cutting is incredibly important," he told the audience. "But I believe passionately that nobody's ever cut their way to prosperity.""

Well, lets take a poll. Has anyone here ever cut up your credit cards, eliminated wasteful spending, balanced your personal budget and thereby become more prosperous?
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TVs Scotty J
05:29 PM on 10/12/2011
Your question needs to be balanced -- has anyone cut up their credit cards and eliminating wasteful spending but also not taken in any new revenue? Cutting spending alone does not get us out of this mess...
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Left of Center
Left way? Right way? How about the correct way???
06:01 PM on 10/12/2011
Yep...!!! Even when you've cut up the cards, you're still left with a mountain of growing debt, to the tune of 39% by the banksters!

Baggers always conveniently hide this fact. Remember also, according to Cheney, deficits don't matter...
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Stahler
05:47 PM on 10/12/2011
Yep, the US economy is just like our personal economy.
05:16 PM on 10/12/2011
I met Mr Kaine when he was running for govenror. At that time, he was a strong proponate for off shoring jobs. He supported Obama care, which will do nothing to address the cost side and he will vote the donkey ticket, regardless of the desires of his constituency.
Mr Allen, in his own way, will support the continued rape of Americans by the financial institutions.
I wish we had someone, who was in touch with us, to vote for.
Another contest with the choice being the lesser of two evils!
06:01 PM on 10/12/2011
Allen was a good Senator.
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Liberals Are Intolerant
fiscal conservative, social libertarian
05:09 PM on 10/12/2011
If you want to increase infrastructure spending, while at the same time saving money, then we must repeal Davis Bacon and all prevailing wage laws. They force us to pay literally double the labor cost on the free market, while millions of skilled workers sit unemployed. That is not acceptable right now. We must fix prevailing wage and other barriers to fixing our infrastructure in a cost effective way.
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TVs Scotty J
05:30 PM on 10/12/2011
In other words, find a way to pay hardworking people next to nothing?
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Stahler
05:50 PM on 10/12/2011
:-)
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stryker
06:55 PM on 10/12/2011
Exactly.Just another way of cutting wages and benefits for workers. Somehow, this country will not be strong by paying sub-par wages. You try to support a family on minimum wage or lower, if the repubs get their way.
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jrmjake1
05:08 PM on 10/12/2011
Tim Kaine: 'Nobody's Ever Cut Their Way To Prosperity'

That type of lunacy is one of the main reasons why this nation and now populace are in dire straits. Any financial adviser will counsel couples and singles, consultants will advise corporate clients and we the people are telling our representatives: CUT COSTS!. Trying to live feasting on filet mignon when you can only afford Taco Tuesday's is just a pittance of the great kaleidoscope of problems we are facing. If I want to become economically viable I need to cut costs. If I need to maximize my investments, I need to increase my productivity and revenue enhancements. If I need to do it sooner than later, I need to cut out all the fat now.......not when I am overtly obese, with heart disease and on life support.

We are a nation of gluttony and are spending our way into oblivion. I instruct my children to be responsible and accountable. Is there a problem with people playing with our money as though they have just won a lottery with our savings and investments? We are supposed to be investing for our future, paying down our debts, maximizing our potential for the future generations.......but somehow there is a major disconnect on what we want and expect, and what they are hearing and want to do.
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stryker
07:02 PM on 10/12/2011
When your wages get cut or you lose your job, unless you have no debt whatsoever, you will not get out of it by cutting. Cut what. Okay, no more dinners out. No more new clothes. No more fixing things around the house. Cutting back your thermostat, taking showers every other day. Washing clothes once a week. Get rid of the cable and cell phones, turning all lights of except for the one room the family gathers in. BUT...you still have an electric bill, gas for the car to take you to work or shop. You do have to eat, even if it's only peanut butter and bread. You still have a mortgage or rent. Now, you want to tell me how you'd get by without some additional revenue?
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Justtheobvious
Solidarity 99%!
05:04 PM on 10/12/2011
Just ask yourself why the presidential candidates are raising revenues from their rich cronies.

Why aren't they cutting ads and staff to grow.
Sergeant
Dress Right
05:23 PM on 10/12/2011
Good point. I wonder what would happen if Obama announced that every cent of the billions he intends to get for politics will be donated to charities helping the homeless?
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stryker
07:04 PM on 10/12/2011
All that money goes to the economy: ads, workers, transportation, hotel rooms, food, rental of halls and civic centers, etc. So that is helping the economy,isn't it? Getting money and spending it make the world go round. Getting money and sitting on it, ala the "job creators", doesn't do crap.
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CubfanBudman
He Ain't Heavy, He's my Brother
04:39 PM on 10/12/2011
Macro Economics is built around the principle that every dollar of spending is a dollar of income for another.

Cutting spending slows an economy. It has every time we have ever done it. This is fact.

The GOP promised it would magically create jobs. It didn't. This is fact.
04:28 PM on 10/12/2011
I am wondering if so many dollars are flooding the system-why is it the people do not seem to have too many?
No one I know is spending their payroll tax holiday-$8.50 or so-big deal-not enough for a happy meal. They save it as they are in fear of taxation.
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Rubyfoo
04:22 PM on 10/12/2011
Tell you what, you guys stop siphoning tax $$ to the military-industrial complex, the medical-industrial complex, the oil-industrial complex, and the industrial-industrial complex, and then let's talk about budget deficits that would no longer exist.
11:21 PM on 10/12/2011
Done! Welcome to the Tea Party!
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Rubyfoo
03:52 PM on 10/13/2011
I respectfully decline the invitation.