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Herman Cain Proposes Electrified Border Fence As Immigration Reform, Says He Was Joking

First Posted: 10/16/2011 11:27 am Updated: 12/16/2011 4:12 am

GOP presidential hopeful Herman Cain came down hard on immigration Saturday on the campaign trail, telling crowds in Tennessee that part of his policy would be to build an electrified fence on the Mexican border that could potentially kill anyone trying to enter the country illegally.

He backed away from that proposal Sunday morning, however, saying he wasn't serious about the idea.

"That's a joke, David," he told NBC's David Gregory on "Meet The Press." "That's not a serious plan."

The New York Times relays Cain's description of the fence: "It's going to be 20 feet high. It’s going to have barbed wire on the top. It’s going to be electrified. And there’s going to be a sign on the other side saying, ‘It will kill you -- Warning.'"

Cain later added, "We want to make it easy for people to come through the front door. And we’re going to shut off the back door so you don't have to sneak into America." The presidential hopeful suggested also using armed military troops to help secure the border.

The idea of an electrified fence also surfaced at a campaign stop in Iowa this summer, when Cain suggested America build a border wall similar to the Great Wall of China, going so far as to advocate a moat full of alligators. Cain's remarks, via ThinkProgress:

I just got back from China. Ever heard of the Great Wall of China? It looks pretty sturdy. And that sucker is real high. I think we can build one if we want to! We have put a man on the moon, we can build a fence! Now, my fence might be part Great Wall and part electrical technology. ... It will be a twenty foot wall, barbed wire, electrified on the top, and on this side of the fence, I'll have that moat that President Obama talked about. And I would put those alligators in that moat!

The "alligators in the moat" idea referenced a tongue-in-cheek comment by President Barack Obama, while speaking on immigration reform in Texas back in May. "They’ll want a higher fence. Maybe they’ll need a moat. Maybe they'll want alligators in the moat, the president joked. "They’ll never be satisfied."

Cain's controversial remarks on border security caused a backlash from the national pro-immigration group Somos Republicans, which called on him to resign his candidacy. But Cain softened his remarks in an interview with the New York Times magazine in July, saying he meant if they could build that wall centuries ago, we can secure the border today, with a combination of walls and high-tech equipment.

Commenting on the remarks after the Fox News GOP debate in August, Cain dialed back further, insisting that "America's got to learn how to take a joke."

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  • Positive Intensity

    A relative unknown upon his entry into the race, Herman Cain has experienced promising numbers in both name recognition, as well as the new metric of "positive intensity." These upward trends have since propelled him to the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elections/state/US/?chart=12USPresRepPR&chart_mode=new" target="_hplink">top of many GOP primary polls</a>. In late June, a <a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/148283/Bachmann-Strong-Position-She-Enters-2012-Race.aspx" target="_hplink">Gallup poll</a> showed Cain's name recognition up 25 percent from earlier in the year, to 46 percent. Meanwhile, his positive intensity score stood at 24, among the highest of any candidate in the field. Enthusiastic supporters have also helped Cain take impressive wins at a variety of early straw poll events. He's taken the top spot at the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/01/herman-cain-straw-poll_n_914906.html" target="_hplink">Western Conservative Summit</a>, the <a href="http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/08/27/herman-cain-wins-georgia-gop-straw-poll/" target="_hplink">Georgia GOP Straw Poll</a> in August (Georgia is Cain's home state), and more recently <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/24/herman-cainflorida-straw-poll-results-2011_n_979096.html" target="_hplink">in Florida</a> and Chicago. Cain also won a <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/27/news/la-pn-herman-cain-tea-party-poll-20110228" target="_hplink">February straw poll</a> at an Arizona Tea Party event, beating Ron Paul in a vote among attendees, though at the time he was the only officially declared 2012 candidate involved.

  • Pizza Mogul To Conservative Hero

    Cain's first trip to the political spotlight was launched by what is now called a "YouTube moment," though it took place more than a decade before the website was launched. It has since been re-transformed into a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WP5dYfBBzU" target="_hplink">YouTube clip</a>. The highlight came in 1994 when Cain, then CEO of Godfather's Pizza, duked it out with Clinton at a town hall forum the president was holding to push his health care reform proposal. As Slate's Dave Weigel <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2281516/" target="_hplink">reports</a>: <blockquote>Cain got a question in. He'd been a turnaround artist at Pillsbury, working with Burger King, and in 1986 he'd been put in command of the failing Godfather's Pizza franchise. He saved it with triage, closing 250 of around 800 restaurants, before leading an investor group that bought the franchise and put him in charge. By the time he met Clinton, he had been elected president of the National Restaurant Association. This explained some of his confidence as he lit into his president. "On behalf of all of those business owners that are in a situation similar to mine," asked Cain, "my question is, quite simply, if I'm forced to do this what will I tell those people whose jobs I will have to eliminate?" "Well, wait a minute," said Clinton, attempting a charm offensive. "Let's ask--let's talk a minute about what you would have to do." The employer mandate would add only 2 percent to Cain's costs, Clinton argued, and Cain could just charge more for pizza. "I'm a satisfied customer, I'd keep buying from you." "Mr. President," said Cain, "with all due respect, your calculation on what the impact would do, quite honestly, is incorrect."</blockquote> It didn't take long for this clip to make the rounds, which won Cain commendations from Republican icons such as Newt Gingrich, Jack Kemp and Rush Limbaugh. For more on Cain's rapid political rise, read the rest of Weigel's piece at <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2281516/" target="_hplink">Slate</a>.

  • 9-9-9 Plan

    Cain has been making a big pitch for his "<a href="http://www.hermancain.com/images/economicgrowth.pdf" target="_hplink">9-9-9</a>" plan, which would eliminate some taxes such as the payroll tax and estate tax, and lower a variety of others, leaving business taxes and income taxes at a flat rate of 9 percent. It would also create a national sales tax of 9 percent. The 999 plan has been <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/herman-cains-misleading-pitch-for-the-999-plan/2011/10/12/gIQAHszPgL_blog.html" target="_hplink">criticized</a> as an economic blueprint that would put a bigger tax burden on the middle class. HuffPost's Amanda Terkel also <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/herman-cain-999-sim-city_n_1008952.html" target="_hplink">reported</a> that the simple tax structure exhibited some similarities to the default given to players in the video game, SimCity 4. Cain added an important update to his plan in October, outlining tax exemptions for poorer Americans and economically depressed areas. The Associated Press reports: <blockquote>After sharp criticism over his one-size-fits-all plan from Republicans and Democrats alike, Cain proposed no income taxes for Americans living at or below the poverty line. He also proposed exemptions for businesses investing in "opportunity zones" as a way to give an economic jolt to rundown neighborhoods such as the one he visited in hard-hit Detroit.</blockquote>

  • What's His Deal With Islam?

    Herman Cain has repeatedly caused consternation with questionable comments about Islam and American Muslims. At a March event held in Iowa for prospective presidential candidates, Cain said outright that he <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/26/gop-iowa-steve-king-2012_n_840956.html" target="_hplink">wouldn't appoint any Muslims</a> to his cabinet if elected, over fears that they would work to install Sharia law. He later <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/18/herman-cain-muslims-right-online_n_879852.html#s294502&title=John_LaRosa" target="_hplink">attempted</a> to walk that statement back, saying "I am not anti-Muslim. I am anti-terrorist." Months later, Cain stoked more scrutiny when he <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/17/herman-cain-fox-mosques_n_900939.html" target="_hplink">said</a> Americans "have the right" to block mosques in their communities. The claim came in response to a question by "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace about Cain's criticism of a planned Islamic center in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which had sparked protests from residents of the town. He later held a summit with Muslim leaders to try to patch up relations with the community. AP <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/27/herman-cain-muslims-apology_n_911629.html" target="_hplink">reported</a> at the time: <blockquote>Cain met with four Muslim leaders in Sterling, Va. He said in a statement later he was "truly sorry" for comments that may have "betrayed" his commitment to the Constitution and the religious freedom it guarantees.</blockquote>

  • Unpolished

    Cain's first display of political greenness came at an inopportune time, during his campaign announcement in May. Speaking to his followers about the importance of following the Constitution, Cain seemed to refer to the Declaration of Independence. "We don't need to rewrite the Constitution of the United States of America, we need to reread the Constitution and enforce the Constitution," Cain said. "And I know that there are some people that are not going to do that, so for the benefit of those that are not going to read it because they don't want us to go by the Constitution, there's a little section in there that talks about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." The Constitution, of course, doesn't reference "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Weeks later, Cain made another <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/05/herman-cain-blunders-on-palestinian-right-of-return/" target="_hplink">public blunder</a> on Fox News Sunday, when he appeared to be confused on the concept of Palestinian "Right of Return," or the belief that Palestinians, as well as their descendants, who were forced to leave their property in Israel should be allowed to return. Israel is firmly opposed to the "Right of Return," and considering Cain had slammed President Obama earlier for his supposedly anti-Israel approach to Middle Eastern affairs, his apparent confusion on the issue didn't go unnoticed.

  • Cain: Benefactor

    Cain made a big impression in Omaha in the '80s when he helped spearhead an effort to save an inner-city youth center. It eventually culminated in a series of charity gospel concerts that raised more than $5 million for a new branch. HuffPost's Andrea Stone <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/24/herman-cains-charity_n_934996.html#s338338&title=Herman_Cain" target="_hplink">reports</a>: <blockquote>It was the late 1980s and the then-CEO of Godfather's Pizza and self-made multimillionaire brokered a deal with the YMCA of Greater Omaha to merge with the struggling Edmonson Youth Outreach Center so that its founder could get health insurance. Joe Edmonson was a beloved wrestling coach in the community who, despite being a quadriplegic, inspired a generation of underprivileged black youth. Cain had joined the board of the sports and after-school program in predominantly-black north Omaha after a young wrestler whose mother worked as a janitor at Godfather's headquarters approached him to help sponsor a team trip to a national tournament. So when the local YMCA approached Cain, one of Omaha's most prominent African American business leaders, for help to raise funds for a new neighborhood branch, he agreed. But only if the Y merged with the Edmonson Center.</blockquote> But the object of Cain's charitable affection may have changed of late, Stone notes: <blockquote>In recent years, Cain has written more checks to political causes and candidates than to charity. But the former businessman and conservative radio talk show host had chosen in years past to focus his philanthropy on education for inner-city youth so, he has said, they can overcome poverty and racial discrimination the way he did.</blockquote> Cain has also donated large sums to The University of Nebraska at Omaha, Morehouse College and Antioch Baptist Church. For more on the giving habits of other GOP presidential candidates, click <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/24/herman-cains-charity_n_934996.html#s328540&title=Rick_Perry" target="_hplink">here</a>.

  • Koch Candidate?

    Cain has sought to capitalize off of his supposed political outsider status, but a recent report suggested that the one-time pizza mogul may be deeply involved with some of the powerful, moneyed influencers in Washington politics --particularly the Koch brothers. From the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/16/herman-cain-koch-brothers-americans-prosperity-2012-gop-campaign_n_1013661.html" target="_hplink">Associated Press </a>: <blockquote>Cain's campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his "9-9-9" plan to rewrite the nation's tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans.</blockquote> Read the rest of the report here.

  • Sexual Harassment History?

    Politico <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html" target="_hplink">reported</a> in late October that two women had filed sexual harassment complaints against Cain during his tenure as head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s. Cain has denied that the allegations had any merit, though his reaction to the resultant firestorm has been <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/01/herman-cain-sexual-harassment-settlement_n_1068719.html?ref=politics" target="_hplink">anything but consistent</a>. After first claiming ignorance, Cain later admitted to knowing more about the story than he had first let on. The video above documents Cain's vacillation on the facts of the report.

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12:14 PM on 10/26/2011
You know what would be funny? If American children would somehow wander and tough that fence and get a bit of Cain's humor. Or maybe his momma, Ha,ha,ha....It would be on youtube by the morning. That's hilarious
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Jamico Bob
One can put a price on gold, friends are priceless
08:43 AM on 10/22/2011
Rather than building an electrified fence, per Herma Cain, on the Mexican border I propose a "solution". The Presidential hopefuls also talked about the toxic waste being dumped in Navada. Why don't they dig a wide, deep trench along the entire Mexican border. All the dirt that is removed can be transported to the low lying flood areas in the USA. Than fill the trench with the toxic waste?
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Lloyd Wilson
12:41 PM on 10/22/2011
Kill two birds with one stone. That makes too much sense for politicians to implement.
08:28 AM on 10/21/2011
People need to be made accountable for their action if you know the fence has electricity, don't illegally try to cross. i can't stand Herman Cain, but i'm all for the fence. Zap Zap !!!!
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sangazure1
Flaming bleeding-heart knee-jerk Liberal
02:58 PM on 10/20/2011
Herman Cain is a joke.
06:17 AM on 10/20/2011
Considering Mexico's stance of "shoot to kill" - when anyone crosses their borders illegally, having an electrified fence at the US border w Mexico - might not be a bad idea = more humane.
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nitwitsRus
my udder username is...
07:25 AM on 10/19/2011
Hay! even Bob Dylan went electric!
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Jennifer Hagan
Expat Mother of two living in France.
07:17 AM on 10/19/2011
Keep on backpeddling Herman
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Francois Bergeron
seeking sense
05:58 AM on 10/20/2011
Yep.
Or at least start telling better jokes.
Kimberly Christine
wish I was an expat
01:15 AM on 10/19/2011
The Republican plan to tackle the issues surrounding immigration from Mexico is to make our economy so s**tty that no one wants to come here. Thanks guys!

P.S. People have been returning to Mexico in huge numbers and immigration has drastically slowed.
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Unca Allen
Tyranny will rise when you do nothing
03:21 AM on 10/19/2011
Where'd you get that info? Mad Magazine?
08:25 AM on 10/21/2011
That was in the news. The latter part of 2008 and early 2009. The illegals stopped coming over as there were no jobs. Keep on posting Kimberly.
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chronic
01:02 AM on 10/19/2011
It is a very H8TEFUL comment.

No person with Cains mentality should EVER sit in the Oval Office!!
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Francois Bergeron
seeking sense
05:59 AM on 10/20/2011
That's obvious to most of us, the rest need a little nudging... Like all the people who thought Palin would make a great prez have been nudged into silence.
06:18 AM on 10/20/2011
Anyone with Obama's mentality - should be removed from office.
08:35 AM on 10/21/2011
Why because he goes after terrorist and tyrant dictators killing them all. He advocates providing more health care access to those who did not have it, wants the wealthy to pay there fair share of taxes? Sure, he must be the worse person to every live. Who honestly would ever want someone with these type of moral values in office???
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Wesley Holbrook
Retired-Marine
10:06 PM on 10/18/2011
Why do you think Mexican families swarm across into the U.S.??? Could it be that their Government is owned by the Drug Cartels and they don't want to live under them...But, unfortunately when your own Government is in partnership to the Drug Cartels, what can you do??? Mexican military giving escorts to drug runners across U.S. borders and our Government and Military does nothing. Politicians/Judges/Lawyers/Law Enforcement all taking their cut of the drug money...Cain is no true man or preacher of God. He is a false teacher. If Christ wouldn't have them electrocuted, Cain is not a follower of Jesus...He wears the mark of the beast.
06:22 AM on 10/20/2011
Correction = when you referred to the mark of the beast, it is in The White House.
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Alva Vargas
04:11 PM on 10/26/2011
Not our problem, they need to put all that effort they put sneaking into our country, etc. into their own communities for a change. If they can do it here they can do it there!!
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TimeMaster
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08:14 PM on 10/18/2011
What keeps them out, also keeps you in. HC was just joking, but he should have proposed it as a job creation plan by building a fence. The next question is who will build the fence and where will the money come from?

I love these politicians and candidates with their pie in the sky plans that are just fantasies they propose to get elected. Heard it then, heard it now.

Going back to finish eating the $9.99 pizza I bought earlier today.
06:25 AM on 10/20/2011
The money to build the fence was already provided under the Bush Administration - and was already underway.

Under the radar, Obama stopped it - along with raids upon ILLEGAL ALIENS by INS, ICE, ATF.

Janet Napolitano of Homeland Security "misappropriated" the money that was earmarked for the building of the fence.
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lindajoy111
08:13 PM on 10/18/2011
That is an aweful joke and I think Cain really meant it. When I was 3 years old I grabbed ahold of an electric fence and couldn't let go. Glad my grandpa was there. Man if the people who immigrated to Ellis Isand had to get through an electric fence. This country might not be what it is today.
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Unca Allen
Tyranny will rise when you do nothing
03:34 AM on 10/19/2011
They immigrated legally.
06:26 AM on 10/20/2011
@ lindajoy111:

Bad analogy =

Ellis Island was set up for LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
06:44 PM on 10/18/2011
His idea of a fence sounds like a good idea to me.
06:29 AM on 10/20/2011
Considering the extreme VIOLENCE that has been coming across our US borders, the MASS GRAVES found near the US border, the beheadings by drug cartels - that we now know have been provided WEAPONS and access to US Soil to purchase these weapons that have killed US citizens,
having an electrified fence at the US border with Mexico - is a VERY GOOD idea.
06:43 PM on 10/18/2011
Alright,here is the smartest way,untill I hear different.Do you see my picture? So?? Well that sucking sound ,I've heard,,I'd put it early seventies.It's the hurricane now.Well,we got lazy,we got crazy,and nobody was at the helm.I'm sure Nixon spent real quality time >between Laos and Cambodia
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Linda Sue Tiedeman
06:35 PM on 10/18/2011
Not to mention charge them to enter. We pay fee's here for everything so why not that as well.....