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Iapetus, A Saturn Moon, May Have Had Its Own Moon

  First Posted: 10/17/11 08:21 PM ET Updated: 12/17/11 05:12 AM ET

By John Matson
(Click here for original article.)

Could a planet have a moon that itself had a smaller moon?

A former subsatellite would help explain some of the mysteries of Iapetus, one of Saturn's moons. For starters, Iapetus is not a sphere—it's a bit squished. And its flattened shape implies that Iapetus once spun very quickly, completing a rotation in 16 hours. It now takes 79 days. So what put on the brakes?

Maybe it was a onetime moonlet of Iapetus, explained Kevin Walsh of the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, at a recent planetary science meeting in France. The subsatellite would have spiraled slowly away from Iapetus until Saturn grabbed it.

But not before its outward drift sapped rotational energy from Iapetus and slowed it down.

The moonlet could account for another feature of Iapetus, too. The moon has a tall ridge running along its equator, like a walnut's seam.

If the short-lived moonlet emerged from a debris disk, as Earth's moon did, the moonlet could have forced leftover debris onto Iapetus to form the walnut ridge.

The moonlet idea is still preliminary. But solving two mysteries with one hypothesis means that it's not so nutty.

This article is a transcript of this Scientific American podcast.

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05:06 PM on 10/20/2011
This moon had to have had a pretty large mass to do this. Where did it go after Saturn supposedly grabbed it?
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08:21 PM on 10/19/2011
The Earth and other inner planets themselves probably started out as a moons of another planet. Probably either of Jupiter, or an ancient gas giant which was cast out of the solar system or absorbed by the Sun or Jupiter. It would explain why there are terrestrial planets at all.
08:53 AM on 10/19/2011
Occupy The Moon's Moon's Moon
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invirginia
A higher double-standard.
02:35 PM on 10/18/2011
Doesn't Michael Moore have his own moon?
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travalar
Animal Loving, Tree Hugging Liberal.
08:30 PM on 10/18/2011
I wonder if his moon has it's own moon?
02:25 PM on 10/18/2011
Except that the earth's moon did not form from the debris disk that formed the earth. It is a largely help hypothesis that the earth's moon formed from a collision of the proto-earth and another object somewhat smaller that Mars.
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Joffan
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07:17 PM on 10/18/2011
"widely-held"...

Yes, the collision hypothesis is the frontrunner for the formation of Earth's moon - which involves the condensation of the Moon from the debris disk left over from the collision. Or even the condensation of two moons from that debris which then squished together.

Perhaps putting the collision idea into the Iapetus hypothesis, we can get even further. As the Saturnian system started to settle down, two of the moons, Iapetus and "Lost", took a grazing hit or two, spinning up Iapetus to high speed, stealing material from "Lost" and putting it in low orbit. The rest of the scenario follows...
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Lori Ladybug
No one has all the answers
12:32 PM on 10/18/2011
Completely unscientific, but moonlet sounds so adorable.
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
02:10 PM on 10/18/2011
Actually, it's step 2 of the scientific method: Hypothesize...
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Lori Ladybug
No one has all the answers
02:27 PM on 10/18/2011
My comment about the word "moonlet" sounding adorable is completely unscientific. I wasn't talking about the hypothesis at all. Maybe I should have said the word "moonlet" is too cute. "Aww, look at the widdle moonlet, it think it's people."
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JLau
You can't understand the orange experience.
07:13 PM on 10/18/2011
I want one!
10:46 AM on 10/18/2011
Moonception
10:05 AM on 10/18/2011
The world is flat. The universe is a studio projection. This visionary offers proof:
http://www.mudam.lu/en/le-musee/la-collection/nedko-solakov/
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CaroleK1970
I want my country forward
01:41 AM on 10/18/2011
these 'maybe' stories are worthless
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DXM
A sane moderate living during insane extreme times
09:11 AM on 10/18/2011
Obviously you never paid attention to in science class. These "maybe stories" are part of the second step of the scientific process: 1) Observe, 2) hypothesize ("maybe stories"), 3) predict, 4) experiment. Without these "maybe stories", none of the wonderful technology you use everyday (including the computer that you used to post your comment) would exist.
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Jeremyewilliams
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09:42 AM on 10/18/2011
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
08:34 PM on 10/18/2011
Except this one would seem unverifiable in principle, since verification would require a time machine. The next best thing would be a computer simulation but even if that showed the scenario is possible, it still wouldn't establish that it actually happened. A good deal of science is bogus this way, according to its own lights....
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anitaj
11:08 AM on 10/18/2011
What ifing and spitballing ideas is a huge part of science. It can be lots of fun too.
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DXM
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12:56 PM on 10/18/2011
One of the reasons I am a professional scientist :-)
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BannedInBoston
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
08:43 PM on 10/18/2011
This is, however, the "unscientific" side of science, since many of those ideas like this one are unverifiable in principle. (This applies especially to astrophysics, cosmology, and evolutionary biology, which is rife with "just so stories" according to its own practitioners.) I don't say this as someone who is hostile to science itself, just to its reductionist tendencies. If many scientific notions like this one are unverifiable in principle, then don't go yattering to me how notions of nonmaterial reality are unverifiable. (In fact, they're not. Consciousness itself is non-material....)
10:35 PM on 10/17/2011
The Rebels must have blown it up then...
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
02:12 PM on 10/18/2011
you're not that far off..have you ever seen lapetus? it looks like the death star
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06_05/Lapetus_650x574.jpg
10:23 PM on 10/17/2011
There is an Orson Welles joke in here somewhere, isn't there? Or something about shooting the moon? Anyone? What've you got?
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SonOfUgh
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01:10 PM on 10/18/2011
How about "Iapetus dropped trou and gave a moon to Saturn"?
10:00 PM on 10/17/2011
Groan... another HuffPost article that obviously requires --- but does NOT include --- either photos or just links to photos...

Here's a decent image of Iapetus that shows its distorted shape:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/images_v2/Iapetus/Iapetus-Color-McIrvin.jpg

Here' is the ridge on Iapetus referenced in the article:
http://www.alienvideo.net/0805/img/iapetus/iapetus-equalateral-ridge.jpg

But the presence of a now-lost moonlet isn't the only explanation offered for Iapetus's peculiar shape and behavior:
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/07/scientists-say-.html
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jimboy71
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10:26 PM on 10/17/2011
Thank you.
11:14 AM on 10/18/2011
Yes, thank you for completing this article for HP.
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Hitchcockcameo
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09:02 PM on 10/17/2011
It seems entirely rational, if rare. I can see George Lucas's eyes lighting up now..."I'll call it the forest moon of the forest moon of Endor."
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Ted Bouklos
U can have ur own opinions but not ur own facts
02:13 PM on 10/18/2011
lapetus is the death star http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06_05/Lapetus_650x574.jpg
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ambrecel
08:29 PM on 10/17/2011
There is a lot out there in space.
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08:27 PM on 10/17/2011
The theory seems to fit the facts. I'm surprised no one thought of this before.