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Think-Tank Cautions Dems Against Seeking Support Of OWS

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First Posted: 10/18/11 04:41 PM ET Updated: 12/18/11 05:12 AM ET

With the Occupy Wall Street movement heading into its second month in existence, one of the open questions in Washington, D.C. among Democratic lawmakers has been, "To what extent should we embrace this movement?"

So far, whatever sense of common cause has been offered by the putative "party of the little guy" and the 99 percent has been very tentatively forged. For every progressive lawmaker who offers support for this movement, there seem to be ten others that are only willing to offer it an oblique shout-out. And by and large, President Barack Obama has been among the latter camp.

If you're wondering why the Democratic Party is slow to embrace a group of people who are looking for lawmakers to offer a cogent response to the nationwide economic dislocation spawned in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis -- the same that helped the Democrats ascend to power three years ago -- perhaps the fault lies in the advice Democrats are receiving from the popular and influential timidity-mongers with whom they consort.

Over at Talking Points Memo, Brian Beutler sized up the reaction of one such organization, Third Way (company motto: "Goin' supine since 2005!"), and found that the response they offered in a Monday strategy email "verged on parody." "'Occupy Wall Street -- Bad strategy for dems,' the subject line read," Beutler reports.

Here's how Third Way sees the world, as far as the 2012 election goes. They put together a poll of 800 voters who went for Obama in 2008 -- 400 of whom sat out the 2010 election (Third Way calls them "droppers") and 400 who voted for the GOP (these, they term "switchers"). The poll found that by and large, the "droppers" plan to return to the Democratic fold, but the "switchers" ... well, they're another story. Third Way says those folks are "fairly conservative, pro-business, anti-regulation," and so "Democrats run the risk" of driving them to the GOP "if they align with Occupy Wall Street." You should note that Third Way is making a bit of a logical leap there, because, as Beutler reports, "the survey itself doesn't touch on Occupy Wall Street in any way."

Well, what does Third Way recommend? Glad you asked:

"Our recommendation [is] not to necessarily lurch to the right in policies but to talk about a more optimistic view of where our country is and where we're taking it," [Third Way Deputy Director of Social Policy and Politics Lanae] Erickson said. "Both droppers and switchers overwhelmingly thought they were doing better than the average Americans ... they weren't blaming business."

Oh, that makes sense. Why even attempt to address the issues of Occupy Wall Street -- declining wages, reduced social mobility, and increasing economic inequity among those who personally bailed out the financial system -- when you can instead just "talk about a more optimistic view?" Is there any doubt that what the Occupy Wall Street demonstrators need is just to be given lenses of a rosier hue? I bet they'll all immediately go home and get back to crossing their fingers and hoping for the best. (And, not to put too fine a point on it, let's recall that the Senate GOP's "jobs plan" is to "create certainty and confidence," so "talking about a more optimistic view of where our country is and where we're taking it" is very much a "lurch to the right.")

But look, I really should commend Third Way for being able to find 800 people who "overwhelmingly thought they were doing better than the average American." That is, indeed, an impressive feat, because there can't be a whole lot more people out there in America who fit that description. (One day, maybe there will be a political party that seeks out the support, and sincerely wants to address the needs of, the considerably larger portion of the population whose members aren't doing better than the average American.)

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Speaking to small crowd at a retirement community in Florida on Oct. 4, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney expressed an unsympathetic view of the Occupy Wall Street movement. "I think it's dangerous, this class warfare," he said. Romney declined to comment further when asked about the protests by ABC. His response? "I'm just trying to get myself to occupy the White House."

During a campaign stop in New Hampshire Oct. 10 Romney was a bit more sympathetic. "I worry about the 99 percent in America," he said, later adding, "I understand how those people feel."
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AyeChart 10:50 AM on 10/19/2011
There's a fine little bit in a sci-fi short story by Gerencer that fits:

An alien creature is attempting to hire our protagonist to transport a cargo shipment.  She asks the nature of the cargo.

“A quantity of Heberal,” he said.

“I’ve never heard of it.”

“You wouldn’t have.  It’s new.”

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NY Guy
President Romney - get used to it.
05:22 PM on 10/19/2011
Why would they want to align themselves with Marxist, communist , socialist and other general leftist loons? Oh, well they are Dems.
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11:35 PM on 10/19/2011
Are you Bill O'Reilly or do you just parrot his every word?
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NY Guy
President Romney - get used to it.
06:58 AM on 10/20/2011
No, Not Bill O, just a person observing the human garbage at OWS.
foresure
Brash and Harsh
05:15 PM on 10/19/2011
The reason that the Democrats are unwilling to openly support OWS is that they are trying, and sometimes succeeding in gets their snouts into the same feed trough as the Republicans.

No futhher intellectualizing needed.
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allengoldchain
Proud to be a 53%! I always pay my fair share!
05:01 PM on 10/19/2011
picture should include tent by tent haha. happy camping folks! Shower not necessary. They are the occupiers
04:57 PM on 10/19/2011
If the Dem's are scared of supporting Occupy Wall Street, good. The same goes for the GOP. Both groups are welcome but if they are scared to support the movement then they should be affraid of the results of not listening to common people who vote for them. Change is coming and the people in power should be very affraid of the unemployment line, it sucks, as the 99% already know.
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A Meat Beetle
No one works harder than the working poor.
04:46 PM on 10/19/2011
Hey Obama & friends, hands off! This isn't your movement. This isn't about political parties, this is about people. If you want to show some SINCERE support (instead of just lip service) send Holder to Wall St. with subpoenas and/or warrants for the criminals in the office suites. Anything short of that will expose you as just another politician trying to co-opt a movement that is scaring the daylights out of you.
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smarteeeee
Conservatism = Compassion
04:07 PM on 10/19/2011
In a recent poll of OWS protestors, it was discovered 75% of the protestors did not know why they were protesting. The other 25% were protesting for the same reasons everyone else was protesting.
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04:35 PM on 10/19/2011
Just keep thinking that.
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alguien
04:39 PM on 10/19/2011
in other words you're referring to a poll that you've pulled from a certain orifice.
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wyldthings
as a young man I said I'd never get old an didn'
04:55 PM on 10/19/2011
You seen their list of demands?
http://irunfrombears.com/post/11068330907/owss-list-of-demands-via-their-website
Good Luck selling that to America! You know a lawyer they say should never ask a question he doesn't know the answer to. Well Obama should have never supported a movement before he learned their demands
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wyldthings
as a young man I said I'd never get old an didn'
05:23 PM on 10/19/2011
Bro the fact that they would advocate open border combined with universal Medical plus a guaranteed living wage Come on. Like many I knew that this would come to this point. I knew it was not about changing things for the better. These are worse than the Communists Manifesto. See I understand that people are upset worried and ready to look for a change. This is like many movements, at first they seem to be reasonable and then are taken over by a fringe group. I think we might agree that the intention was good. But personally I think they shot themselves in the foot.
03:59 PM on 10/19/2011
Elect a community-agitator? Here's what you get....a collection of Obamaville's.
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sackman
I never liked him when i liked him
04:24 PM on 10/19/2011
You really think you got us with your stupid attempt at funny, but you blew it, nobodys laughing....
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surfinnonreality
Face reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
09:02 PM on 10/19/2011
Actually I am. Obamaville snicker chortle chuckle
03:47 PM on 10/19/2011
Embracing these protestors would not be smart moves because the only people attempting to give them clout is the media and other medial outlets. Most working Americans see them as 21st Street want to be hippies, living temporarily in parks, many observed smoking what appears to be illegal drugs, defecating and urinating in public, and shouting occupy wallstreet while they should be shouting occupt the White House.

These protestors, as their numbers show, do not represent maintream America and in reality, they actually represent those people who have chosen not to educate themselves by academics or trade and who simply believe that a person who works is crazy enough to want to give others their money. not
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alguien
04:54 PM on 10/19/2011
and you're basing your assertions on what?
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11:40 PM on 10/19/2011
You ought to contact them and ask for help with your spelling and sentence structure. Almost all of them have high school diplomas, about half have bachelor's degrees and 20% have advanced degrees. If you paid attention to the demonstration's message instead of the clown talking from the right-wing media, you would have been able to deduce that much.
03:47 PM on 10/19/2011
The Democrat Pary has no choice but to embrace OWS. If it does not, OWS will put up its own Presidential Candidate.
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strohm
04:01 PM on 10/19/2011
Any suggestions on who they should put up?
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surfinnonreality
Face reality as it is, not as you wish it to be.
09:03 PM on 10/19/2011
alan grayson has the personality that might work for the rabble.
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WI Patriot
Defending the Constitution.
04:20 PM on 10/19/2011
LOL the individuals at OWS cannot figure out why there are there, much less figure out one person to represent them....

It would be a good laugh tho.
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ninjasrolled
Orbiting a small unregarded yellow sun
12:41 AM on 10/20/2011
Yeah, kind of like the GOP hopefuls....
03:34 PM on 10/19/2011
This "think Tank" is no doubt in the corporate tank,, they`re frightened ,seeing how their sponsors are being unmasked and confronted ,,one shill at a time
03:27 PM on 10/19/2011
Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive and a Republican. He believed in and fought to institute many reforms and regulations. The people who fought and won against the "free-market" capitalists and crony politicians of his time were from every walk of life.

OWS is a bipartisan movement. It is responding to the trend in government and private industry policies started over 30 years ago that have adversely impacted the majority of people in this country. Some of the government policies enacted were bipartisan, supported by both parties.

The Republicans of today are more blatant in their support of big corporations, Wall Street, and the wealthy and their vilification of those struggling because of their policies, but they have had and continue to have more than enough support from some Democrats. Neither party is blameless. Members of both parties have both been more focused on party and individual "power" than on truly representing the people of this country.
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smarteeeee
Conservatism = Compassion
04:09 PM on 10/19/2011
"OWS is a bipartisan movement."

OMG! Before you post something that funny you should be required to give a warning. My head hit the desk after I fell out of my chair laughing.
04:15 PM on 10/19/2011
absolutely right ,,It`s non partisan,,,100% American ... USA ,USA,USA
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alguien
04:48 PM on 10/19/2011
you know, for someone who calls himself "smartee" you're pretty damned dumb.
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DMGMD
Your micro-bio is still empty
03:25 PM on 10/19/2011
Any political party attempting to embrace/usurp this movement would only show how out of touch they are about what's happening. OWS isn't some funded/rented extension of the Democratic Party, like the Tea Baggers. OWS is angry AT Democrats AND Republicans for allowing Wall Street to run amok.

Democrats OWS aren't just pointing at Republicans they are also pointing directly at you too. Democrats, like Republicans should shut their mouths, open their ears and listen to what the people are saying. This is one time (of many) that nobody is asking for a politicians speech.
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strohm
04:06 PM on 10/19/2011
They will be demonized,just as the Tea Party was.Media cameras will scout out the most odd looking people,any random violence,crazy,racist signs or posters.They will try to give the impression that these people are far from mainstream, and that every protester supports the weirdest among them.
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ninjasrolled
Orbiting a small unregarded yellow sun
12:43 AM on 10/20/2011
Fanned for an unfortunate but accurate assessment.
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smarteeeee
Conservatism = Compassion
04:13 PM on 10/19/2011
The humurous part of this post is just how far off the mark you are about the Baggers. How many Republicans did we primary because they were weak, non-conservative RINOs? Quite a few. What do you think the OWS crowd will do against incumbent Dems? If you do not know, let me help fill you in . . . NOTHING.
04:18 PM on 10/19/2011
not so,,Im in NY ..I`d sacrifice Mucho to oust Schumer and Rangel
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DMGMD
Your micro-bio is still empty
08:19 AM on 10/20/2011
Just keep telling yourself that....your "non-conservative RINO" tells me all I need to know about you. Thank you for playing.
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03:22 PM on 10/19/2011
the Dems get hundreds of millions of dollars from monopolistic transnational corporations, wall street and other donors. Obviously this system is great for them since they can get 10x - 100x their salary via bribes than merely fulfilling the role of their elected office. Thus they are unwilling to address the corruption and the spreading society decay caused by white collar crime. They are unwilling to address their own corruption. What is left is lies and propaganda to disguise their $ agenda.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
03:13 PM on 10/19/2011
This is much greater than a "Wall Street Protest" and I suspect is occuring in every city and town over 100,000 throughout the nation. Too bad the Republicans choose to ignore the obvious.
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WI Patriot
Defending the Constitution.
04:23 PM on 10/19/2011
The one by me had 50 people, who blamed a large bank for their student debt - then marched at the closest bank and sat on their steps a while.

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03:09 PM on 10/19/2011
Yeah, the republican's motto should be "the future's so bright I gotta wear shades." Cuz it won't be long till they own 100 instead of 99%, and we'll all be sweeping their sidewalks and taking out their trash.