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Americans, Sympathetic To Occupy Wall Street, Still Unsure Of Its Goals

Occupy Wall Street

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 10/18/11 01:30 PM ET Updated: 10/18/11 01:30 PM ET

Though the protest movement known as Occupy Wall Street has been camped out in Manhattan's Zuccotti Park for over a month, and inspired dozens of similar demonstrations around the world, it still seems to have a branding problem.

Most Americans say they still don't know what the protests are trying to accomplish, according to a USA Today/Gallup poll published Tuesday. The survey found that while 22 percent of respondents approve of the goals of Occupy Wall Street, and another 15 percent disapprove, a full 63 percent don't know enough to give an opinion one way or the other.

The same poll found that while many respondents blame Wall Street and major financial institutions for the poor state of the economy, a greater number of them think the federal government is to blame -- which suggests the demonstrators' strategy of criticizing banks, lenders and stockbrokers may be missing the mark with mainstream Americans.

Still, Occupy Wall Street appears to be gaining supporters, even if they find its aims hard to pin down.

Two-third of New York City voters said they support the protests, according to a recent poll. In addition to the Gallup poll -- which showed that advocates of Occupy Wall Street had a seven-point edge over opponents -- surveys from Rasmussen Reports and Time magazine also indicate that more Americans are sympathetic to the protesters than disapprove of them.

In fact, the Time poll found that twice as many people support Occupy Wall Street as approve of the Tea Party -- a margin of 54 percent to 27 percent -- suggesting that the protesters' grievances are striking a real chord with non-activist Americans.

It's perhaps not surprising that many seem confused about the ultimate aims of the Wall Street protesters, since they are, by their own admission, an ideologically diverse group.

The protesters in New York and elsewhere have criticized the influence of corporate money in politics, the gap between America's wealthiest citizens and its poorest, and the lack of consequences for banks and lending institutions that played a role in the financial crisis of 2008.

A recent semi-formal survey of the Occupy Wall Street protesters themselves -- co-conducted by Douglas Schoen, who, writing in The Wall Street Journal, called it "probably... the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion" -- found a group that is all over the map, politically.

About a third self-identify as Democrats, while roughly the same number say they don't belong to any political party. Some of them plan to vote for Obama in 2012, while others do not plan to vote at all.

The survey found that the vast majority of Occupy Wall Street protesters seem to be employed, despite criticism frequently leveled at the group that it consists only of students and jobless people with time on their hands. Schoen and his co-poller, Arielle Alter Confino, found that just 15 percent of the protesters they talked to were unemployed -- a proportion not much greater than the national unemployment rate of 9.1 percent -- which may help explain why the group's message about dwindling economic opportunities is resonating in the mainstream.

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Though the protest movement known as Occupy Wall Street has been camped out in Manhattan's Zuccotti Park for over a month, and inspired dozens of similar demonstrations around the world, it still seem...
Though the protest movement known as Occupy Wall Street has been camped out in Manhattan's Zuccotti Park for over a month, and inspired dozens of similar demonstrations around the world, it still seem...
 
 
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CivilDebate10
Practical Independent Libertarian
09:26 PM on 10/18/2011
Their goal is to hang out, get attention, spend mommy and daddy's money and ask for handouts.
11:05 PM on 10/18/2011
Exactly, all are trust fund kids...Wail till the IPhone 5 comes out - they will be gone. Puff, like that...
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freedomny
99% = TBTF
08:18 PM on 10/18/2011
I see OWS as this. A group of people who wanted to start a community that would actively engage in, and practice democracy. Because most of us wouldn't know democracy if it hit us in the head. Because it is not how our country is currently run. There are no "messages", because this is a process, a lesson that we are all witnessing. Maybe the real message is "watch the example", watch what we are doing in our small community. Watch democracy in action. And anyone who has gone down to an Occupy Movement, and has seen how the General Assembly is run, would understand that this is a great experiment in American Democracy. It is a teaching and lesson process that we are witnessing, and one that we have the great opportunity to get involved in.

I am a banker. I am part of the 20% which is part of the 99%, and I support OWS and ethical capitalism.
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Olderandwiser55
getting older and wiser....
12:34 AM on 10/19/2011
Well said.
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glockman
08:09 AM on 10/19/2011
Perhaps we wouldn't know a democracy if it hit us over the head.

But do we think we would know a constitutional republic?
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freedomny
99% = TBTF
07:42 PM on 10/19/2011
No.
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flaconoire
Anartist
08:01 PM on 10/18/2011
Well, if they cannot see what is going on, they should come aboard and bring their ideas
11:06 PM on 10/18/2011
Can't come, they work. Novel idea....
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flaconoire
Anartist
04:58 PM on 10/19/2011
They can go to the web site and talk about their ideas.They do not even have to leave home
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
07:09 PM on 10/18/2011
What are we dense?  What have we learned from the Enron Disaster?  Seems to me our politicians and corporate executive took the Enron Mess and made it their playbook.  Within six or seven years of the fastest fall from grace of any Fortune 500 company, we had largely forgotten the fatal flaws that caused it. Instead, we fostered an even grander, greedier, more systemic scandal.   Not one candidate is worthy of our vote!
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Joseph Glackin
Time to clean House/Obama2012
07:01 PM on 10/18/2011
Capitalism does not exist in the US.
We blunder between Corporate Socialism and Crony Capitalism.
Government is a melange of "Let's Make a Deal!", and "The Price is Right!"
And there are no winners on "Who do you Trust?"
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longnow
OWS vs Citizens United
06:24 PM on 10/18/2011
Uncertain about goals of OWS? Try this:
Socialism for capitalists, predatory capitalism for the rest of us.

Oh, BTW, I am in favor of keeping the present system afloat.
"Let the banks fail" is for is great if you're a Ron/ Rand Paul
reactionary who responds to nice words in speeches but
can't think beyond the nice words. Lehman went bankrupt &
almost took the world economy down. (They will say "it didn't
happen so let them fail" - ??????)

Give banks TARP (and their blackmail) to stay
afloat so that the OFFICIAL unemployment rolls don't grow
to 12-15%, stop the bonuses which are Fed & TARP recycled.

But you can't stop them. That's just an accepted fact.

Stop Rick Santelli from Mfg. wonderful sounding Tea Bircher lies
& heading off the negative PR that was heading for his fellow "traders".
But no one can shut Rick Santelli's mouth, except him.
His mouth was suddenly restrained when responding to the fallout.

BTW, it was Cheney Bush AND Wall St traders who
sat back and watched as S&P gave AAA ratings to fraud
based mortgage packages & then had the nerve to
downgrade the US credit rating to head off any prosecution.
If the DOJ says anything... threaten to downgrade again.
Whose going to stop them, Fox "news"? Fox "Biz"
The writers who depend on Wall St for their living?
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rtx47
06:12 PM on 10/18/2011
I wish this articel and posters on HP and elsewhere would write solutions to this impasse both in America and across Europe.

I hope NYC's Mayor Bloomberg and other state and national politicians are, behind the scenes, bringing together leaders of both groups (protestors and Chamber of Commerce) to find solutions to the widespread economic plight of the country.

A win-win for both sides is major corporations pledging to spend over the next six months 25% of their hoarded 2 trillion dollars - on new equipment, dividend payments, stock buy-back, etc. Similarly banks committing to disburse 25% of their unlent loan portfolio.
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muddywood
First the truth, then opinion.
05:40 PM on 10/18/2011
Their goals in their own words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuFQuEwJ5xI&feature=player_embedded#!
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authorized-user
No right way to do a wrong thing
05:36 PM on 10/18/2011
Most Americans say they still don't know what the protests are trying to accomplish,

I can make this easy;

WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
11:07 PM on 10/18/2011
10% unemployment = 9 / 10 people WORKING......
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forty8r
Gerrman Freethinker
04:23 PM on 10/18/2011
How simple can it be the 1% of this country runs this country for their financial gain at the expense of the other 99%.
04:54 PM on 10/18/2011
nuts, does that mean the kennedys are part of the 1%
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Joseph Glackin
Time to clean House/Obama2012
06:52 PM on 10/18/2011
YES
11:09 PM on 10/18/2011
You can't be that naive, can you?
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BonnieDoon
Fool me once...
04:16 PM on 10/18/2011
A picture is worth a thousand words.

There’s great visual illustrating the issue behind the law suits being brought against the TBTF banksters by major investors. Take a second to take a look. Occupy Wall Street is real, necessary and gaining momentum.

Recent feeble attempts by the Administration to put them in the same bucket as the Tea Party are failing. Occupy Wall Street is the ‘real-deal’ grassroots movement addressing the real actions that sent the US and global economy into free fall. The Tea Party is a corporate and foundation-funded group that is not grassroots and is being unknowingly and unwittingly used to forward a nefarious agenda designed to decimate the middle class.



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Occupy Wall Street Sign on Mortgage Backed Securities MBS
Posted by 4closureFraud on October 17, 2011

http://4closurefraud.org/2011/10/17/ows-occupy-wall-street-sign-on-mortgage-backed-securities-mbs/
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GetRealSoon
Finding Fraudster
12:34 AM on 10/19/2011
Fanned and Fave

Thank you for the link.
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bigshotprof
Pre-moderated for your protection
04:07 PM on 10/18/2011
Seems to me that its goal is to generate a national conversation about the relationship between money, democracy and power. The movement is clearly doing that, so they are succeeding. If the protesters start spinning too many specific policy positions, the movement will collapse into in-fighting.
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WorkInCanada
Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. John W
03:47 PM on 10/18/2011
Start with a statement like this: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/10/17/limit-ceo-earnings-ndp-turmel_n_1016802.html
Who can argue with this? The only argument is "it's not capitalist" which by itself is not a valid argument. So what if it's not capitalist...is anything truly capitalist?

I also think that if the people can't be taxed fairly, then ALL taxes should be removed: property tax, liquor tax, cigarette tax, clothing tax, gas tax, you get the picture. Then, the Walmart's of the world will have to build their own roads and bridges and railways to ship their cheap wares. Haliburton would not exist because the government wouldn't be going to war if they had no income.
NO TAXES, period....makes about as much sense as not taxing the rich.
03:35 PM on 10/18/2011
Just because the media plays it as a fringe movement with no clear agenda,does'nt mean anythimg. What s so hard to understand ? I think the corporate controlled media and govern ment are looking for an Abbie Hoffman/Jerry Rubin type to be the voice,so that they can then condem the whole lot.
02:54 PM on 10/18/2011
I think its time to let people smoke weed in there home,over 50% say so---tax it
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steve11407
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03:44 PM on 10/18/2011
yes. kick back and relax