Occupy Wall Street's False Friend: Law Enforcement May Be In Legal Clear Over Email 'Snitch'

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First Posted: 10/18/11 05:14 PM ET Updated: 10/18/11 07:06 PM ET

As Gawker's Adrian Chen reported over the weekend, a freelance security consultant has admitted to forwarding internal Occupy Wall Street emails to both the NYPD and FBI in an apparent attempt to undermine the group's efforts.

Some Occupy Wall Street members are concerned their civil liberties may have been violated. If the emails were solicited by the FBI or NYPD, those concerns could translate into legal issues. But if, as Thomas Ryan, the security consultant, claimed to Gawker, he sent the emails essentially out of the blue, the FBI and NYPD may very well be in the legal clear over the forwarded emails because of the judicial doctrine of "false friends."

"You want unfettered dissent, so I don't like it either way," said Michael Ratner, the president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and a long-time civil liberties litigator in New York City.

Still, he added, "it doesn't raise the same issues necessarily as having someone that's a government informant in the park."

"Unfortunately, you take risks with 'false friends,'" Ratner said. Courts have ruled that police agencies can receive information from recorded conversations without a warrant as long as one party -- in this case Thomas Ryan, who forwarded the emails -- has consented to recording them.

The emails were hosted on a semi-public listerv on Google Groups. Ryan would likely have had little difficulty gaining access to them. At least one Occupy Wall Street organizer whose email was forwarded was angry.

"This surveillance shows that mercenary snitches, the FBI and the NYPD are the enemies of our civil liberties, not the protectors," said Conor Tomás Reed, an adjunct at the City University of New York whose email was forwarded.

He added, "OWS participants didn't blink an eye when we heard of this leak because our political ideas and actions are out in the open, not shrouded in secrecy."

"As far as I'm concerned, it's all good," said Gail Zawacki, who hoped her emails would wake people up to environmental issues.

"Anyway," Zawacki added, "it's not clear that the FBI actually read them, is it, just because they were forwarded? You would think they would have better things to do."

The FBI would not comment on the forwards directly. The bureau noted that as a general rule it does not comment on whether someone is or is not a source.

But Adrienne Senatore, a bureau spokeswoman, noted that "we receive emails every day ... it's not uncommon that someone would send someone in the FBI an email about anything."

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As Gawker's Adrian Chen reported over the weekend, a freelance security consultant has admitted to forwarding internal Occupy Wall Street emails to both the NYPD and FBI in an apparent attempt to unde...
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
12:39 PM on 10/19/2011
In all likelihood, this was nothing. Has anyone figured out exactly how private this list was? I doubt the tool Ryan "hacked" it.

Anyways, Ryan is very similar to another tool who was destroyed by Anonymous named Aaron Barr. Both posed as "security experts" when they were, in fact, absolutely clueless. Both have made their claims of being security experts by essentially friending people on Facebook. Barr claimed to have discovered Anonymous' command structure via Facebook with a fake profile. Ryan created a fake Facebook profile of a female and then told the government he broke national security because some various government officials accepted her friend request.

Ryan's reason for his last lame "Facebook Hacker" silliness was to get attention for his bogus security company and convince the federal government that they should be getting funds to help them prepare for "cyberwar." But, it was a laughably amateur and absurd claim and effort. Everyone in the security industry viewed him as a liar and a fool looking to make a buck. With Ryan's latest "hack" that involved getting on a largely open list and forwarding information to law enforcement, this is just another attempt of his to convince government deep pockets that his security company should be hired.

Lame.
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unfoxworthy
We:ScottOlsens,the misfits,out to change the world
11:07 AM on 10/19/2011
The FBI?
The same folks who gave guns to Mexican drug cartels?
The same folks who have been ignoring the crimes committed by Wall Street?
This is what democracy looks like?
Let's shine the sunshine on THEIR e-mails.
Then we may know what Democracy looks like!
ProCynic
Weak minds become partisan, demonizing others.
11:22 AM on 10/19/2011
Let's see:

Mexican issue - ATF, not the FBI.
Wall Street - SEC, not the FBI

Not an FBI fan, but you have to get it right before you lay stuff at their doorstep.
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verita vincera
Truth Defines Error
09:45 AM on 10/19/2011
Yikes! Did Pelosi really invoke God's blessings ungodliness?
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rMatey
old, recovered Xtian, Liberal
08:45 AM on 10/19/2011
Republicans and snitches just kinda go together.
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woody7
Always a Dem, but..............
10:46 AM on 10/19/2011
um what does "snitches" rhyme with??
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
08:14 AM on 10/19/2011
if they didn't blink an eye why are they considering a lawsuit
10:33 AM on 10/19/2011
The effect of a violation may be minimal, but if it is still a violation, shouldn't it be addressed?
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
10:51 AM on 10/19/2011
actually it seems like a big waste of time
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blndgenie
05:45 AM on 10/19/2011
"The emails were hosted on a semi-public listerv on Google Groups." Perhaps the intellectual giants posting them should've thought of that before posting them. Indiciative of the average intelligence of the Wallbaggers, especially given the results of the NY Times survey with them on US Fiscal and Tax Policy.
07:22 AM on 10/19/2011
They aren't trying to hide anything. That is why some of them are mildly amused. All are welcome to participate. They are very out in the open. Cloak and dagger is not necessary. And they are some VERY tech savvy people. You are missing the point entirely because you aren't working it around that these folks are really sincere so they have nothing to hide. And no they are not financial and tax theory experts nor do thy pretend to be--they are just the everyday folks who get to live with the results of those theories when put into action and they know when those theories have failed. Just look around yourself. Do you think this really is the best the human race is capable of? A system that fails and creates suffering for so many of the people participating in it? Do you worship the economic system of your choice and follow it blindly? Open your eyes.
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
08:15 AM on 10/19/2011
then if it is such a non issue why all the fuss? drop it and move on.
01:19 PM on 10/19/2011
Sure they are ... like who is behind them ... paying protester to protest. Oh, wait isn't THAT capitalism? The very thing they are protesting against? I also think that Wall Street needs to be regulated somewhat ... but at the same time most of us who WORK have 401k plans ... so do we want regulations on OUR stock? Or just everyone elses?
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
12:49 PM on 10/19/2011
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Robin_Sage

It's not the people posting to the list that are the problem. This whole stunt is nothing more than the effort of an inept wannabe whitehat "security expert" that tries to bilk the government out of money. He's a laughing stock in the security world.
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04:43 AM on 10/19/2011
INFULTRATORS ARE TRYING TO WEAKEN THE MOVEMENT BY TRYING TO TURN IT POLITICAL



1% owns dem + gop + tea + politicians + police

POLITICS/POLITICIANS = MASTERBATION

IT'S A RIGGED SYSTEM!!!!

IT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX

IT'S WHY WE ARE HAVING THE OCCUPATION!
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blndgenie
05:46 AM on 10/19/2011
Hard to 'think outside the box' when you're living in one.
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06:29 AM on 10/19/2011
drop out, tune in, join ows
07:23 AM on 10/19/2011
Exactly.
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04:42 AM on 10/19/2011
1% owns dem + gop + tea + politicians + police

IT'S A RIGGED SYSTEM!!!!

WE CAN NO LONGER TRUST THE SYSTEM!!!!


POLICE = NOT ABOVE THE LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO ARREST THE POLICE WHEN THEY BREAK THE LAW!!!!!

WHO ARRESTS THE POLICE WHEN THEY BREAK THE LAW???????????????????????

PEOPLE POWER OVER POLICE POWER!!!!


CITIZENS ARREST!!!!
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Gadgetman
No sense of humor? That's not funny!
03:29 AM on 10/19/2011
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Jack Davies
orange rabblerousing radical moderate!
02:08 AM on 10/19/2011
The feds have been infiltrating protest groups forever. This is not news.
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Marisa Stein
~I solemly swear that I am up to no good~
08:19 AM on 10/19/2011
thank you, it's like they've never heard of the Weathermen or the Patty Hearst Kidnapping case of the Black Panther party or Malcom X or Martin Luther king or the Klan or the Nazi party or the Hells Angels or the ACLU you don't think any of them were infiltrated by the feds..think again..it happens all the time,...Im sure that's not the only plant either they probably have tons of them all over the country...

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10:35 AM on 10/19/2011
But it is counter to the spirit of the Constitution, and therefore may prove useful.
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nighthawksc
Still living on occupied land - USA
01:34 AM on 10/19/2011
I don't see were the protesters really have anything to hide, the problem lies with someone trying to under mind the movement and also in leaking information to the media about possible demands of the movement ahead of an official release. Also in trying to guide demands in the interest of the Government or Corporations. I would say, just be smart and stay alert.
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nighthawksc
Still living on occupied land - USA
01:22 AM on 10/19/2011
I posted a warning about this a few weeks ago along with a video. This assembly of this many people is also covered under the patriot act. Some of the protesters should take some time to read some of the details.
12:55 AM on 10/19/2011
I do believe those organizing OWS have nothing to hide, are not planning anything bad, and know that if the FBI really wants to read their emails they can, quite easily.
07:31 AM on 10/19/2011
They are very technical people and know exactly what they are doing. Transparency is a fundamental part of what their movement is all about. It's what they are looking for from government and business. Honesty and integrity.
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chadizzy
09:18 AM on 10/19/2011
Then why considering a lawsuit?
10:36 AM on 10/19/2011
Encryption works.
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majorwiblit
Mr Natural says,,,"Don't mean Sheeet!"
12:50 AM on 10/19/2011
I know that this is off topic but tonight on CBS NY tv,,,I heard that Officer Tony Bologna is to be punished
How
When
What is the punishment
Will you follow up on this tomorrow
ty
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blndgenie
05:47 AM on 10/19/2011
He's union........he'll get a written reprimand and nothing more. Its what the left has been fighting for.........preserving the poor 'middle class' union workers. Awesome!
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jshop
Come together right now over them.
11:39 PM on 10/18/2011
As OWS continues to foment, leaders, ideologies, and strategies will emerge, and all this is what the Masters of the Universe want to learn and root out. It is imperative that the protesters and advocates start keeping track of each other because the Bush policy of rendition went unchallenged, and Obama has only doubled down with Bush/Cheney tactics. We, the disgruntled and protesting, are the terrorists now. Yet another way 9/11 was the gift that keeps on giving to the war profiteers and One World elites.