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Gordon Brown Argues For Global Growth Pact, International Financial Standards

Gordon Brown Economy

First Posted: 10/19/11 08:46 PM ET Updated: 12/19/11 05:12 AM ET

The world's major economies are increasingly vulnerable to falling into a global economic downturn unless they can swiftly coalesce to patch up a tattered European financial system and embrace policies aimed at generating vigorous growth, former British Prime Minister Gordon Brown warned during a meeting with HuffPost editors and reporters on Wednesday.

Brown said that the world's major economies need to agree to a global growth pact and international financial standards in order to escape from an avoidable but increasingly likely global economic downturn.

"Global problems need global solutions," Brown said. "If you can't actually grow your economy, then the danger is that most of the action you take does not achieve the results that you intended it to achieve."

Europe is teetering on the edge of a financial crisis. If Greece defaults on its debt, then other troubled European countries would become more likely to default on their debt as interest rates rise, and European banks holding sovereign debt would be in danger of running out of cash and going bankrupt. As a result, U.S. banks could slash lending, and the American economy could shrink, according to some economists.

While the euro zone has funneled loans to Greece to postpone a default, it has not taken action to restructure Greece's debt, and its bailout fund amounts to only 440 billion euros -- a fraction of the debt of the five European countries in danger of defaulting. A German finance ministry spokesman said on Wednesday that the size of the bailout fund will not be increased, according to Reuters.

Brown, who was prime minister of Britain during the height of the financial crisis between 2007 and 2010, said that European political leaders need to take "radical action" to prevent a global economic downturn.

In Brown's view, world leaders never fully addressed the underlying fundamentals of the financial crisis and are now facing the same persistent problems -- too many banks with too little cash on hand and a lack of knowledge about where money is flowing and how it puts the system at risk. Unless political leaders agree to international financial regulations, he said, major banks will continue to threaten to move elsewhere in a "race to the bottom."

Brown diagnosed the crisis in Europe primarily as a banking and economic growth crisis, dividing himself from northern European leaders who have characterized southern European countries as reckless spenders that now must face severe austerity measures.

Greece's economy has been shrinking since the announcement of austerity measures, and the country has become even less able to pay its debts as tax revenue drops. Conservative politicians in other European countries also have cut or refused to increase spending, and their economies are slowing in response. Even Germany, Europe's largest economy, has seen its growth slow to a halt.

Brown said that European banks are dramatically undercapitalized, putting them in danger of running out of cash and going bankrupt if investors demand their deposits at the same time. Brown's solution is ensuring that the European Financial Stability Facility hold up to $3 trillion in order to bail out European banks if necessary.

In addition to fixing its financial system, Brown said Europe also needs to grow its way out of its economic crisis. To ensure global economic growth, he said that world leaders need to agree on a mechanism that would allow emerging markets to consume more imports and developed economies to produce more exports so that both areas of the world can grow in sync.

Brown's comments come as the global recovery has hit a wall. The American economy grew at a rate of just 1.3 percent in the second quarter of this year, Europe's economy has slowed to a crawl, and even China's export-driven economy has slowed as demand for Chinese goods from other areas of the world has fallen.

Brown also insisted that any international economic plan must include China. He proposed a mutually beneficial deal for the China and U.S. -- China agreeing to increase its historically-low consumer spending and the U.S. agreeing to increase investment in order to ensure that its national economy will grow.

Instead, American political leaders have increasingly blamed China for allegedly claiming American jobs in manufacturing and other areas, as well as keeping its currency artificially cheap compared to the dollar, allowing them to export more of their goods around the world.

Brown warned that a repeat of protectionism from the Great Depression -- in which countries retreated into their own "silos" and devised "self-defeating" solutions -- would ensure a mutually assured economic downturn.

He did not express much optimism as to whether European politicians would rise to the challenge of drafting a visionary global plan for economic growth.

"Every time there's a crisis, they take action that is too little and too late, and so the next time you have to deal with the next problem, it's a bigger problem, and you have to take even more radical action," Brown said. "You move from what was perhaps a manageable problem to a situation that has gone out of control because it hasn't been dealt with adequately."

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The world's major economies are increasingly vulnerable to falling into a global economic downturn unless they can swiftly coalesce to patch up a tattered European financial system and embrace policie...
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skbull44
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04:28 PM on 10/20/2011
I don't think anyone has addressed the underlying impossibility of Brown's logic: infinite growth is not possible in a finite world. At some point you must face the very real fact that continual growth is physically impossible. I could point to something as simple as spatial limitations as the proof. The growth paradigm is the problem; it seems to be nothing more than a very complex but unravelling pyramid scheme. And, as with all pyramid schemes, those few who built it and got in early have reaped the greatest rewards while the majority appear to be on the verge of losing everything...
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01:44 PM on 10/20/2011
This is far too easy and they over complicate everything. The gas is the money, the people are the engine. Those who have the money, don't want to spend, use, share it. The engine has no gas. Simple. All these little plans and schemes sound important but they aren't.

Cause of greed, which has caused more greed, we have fear as well. So nothing grows.
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gerald4
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01:24 PM on 10/20/2011
"Instead, American political leaders have increasingly blamed China for allegedly claiming American jobs in manufacturing and other areas, as well as keeping its currency artificially cheap compared to the dollar, allowing them to export more of their goods around the world."

Really?

How do you think that any of the US manufacturing businesses could ever possibly even consider creating any jobs in the USA if they are hamstrung with many times more expensive labor costs, ten times more expensive electrical energy (generated in compliance with the EPA), health care payroll tax costs, unemployment payroll tax costs, social security and medical care payroll tax costs, environmental manufacturing costs, fringe (holiday and vacation) benefit payroll costs, OSHA compliance payroll costs, union labor work rules, anti-business laws, and general anti-business attitudes that make manufacturing products in the USA many many times more costly than manufacturing the same product in almost any other foreign country?

Taxes on profits are only a tiny factor compared to the other costs.
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gerald4
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12:16 PM on 10/20/2011
"... and its bailout fund amounts to only 440 billion euros -- a fraction of the debt of the five European countries in danger of defaulting."

Mr. Brown thinks that the Greeks should be allowed to borrow more money.

It is evident that the Greeks do not want to and are not going to pay back the money that they already borrowed and spent for their "good times", instead of working and creating wealth to repay the money that they borrowed.

This is very similar to a family living "high on the hog" with credit cards. Non-productive post industrial countries like Greece (and the other PIIGS + France) should go bankrupt when they cannot repay their bonded indebtedness, just like some US families go bankrupt when they cannot pay their credit card expenses.

Greece (and the other PIIGS nations) should go bankrupt and not pay their benefit costs and payroll costs for their police, teachers, military, firefighters, unemployment, social services, welfare, green projects, environmental projects, infrastructure expansion, space exploration, social entitlements, free medicine, subsidized housing, artists, musicians, poets, historians, hair dressers, and other bureaucratic expenses, especially since these bureaucratic jobs and activities do not produce any of the food, shelter, and clothing required to sustain life or create wealth to repay their national debt, and/or reduce their Foreign Trade Deficit.
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gerald4
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11:36 AM on 10/20/2011
If the USA (and/or Greece, UK, PIIGS, etc.) had a larger industrial manufacturing portion as a part of their GDP, that would create additional NATIONAL WEALTH, more rapidly, and then the US government would be able to raise more funds to spend on government activities by confiscating some of this NATIONAL WEALTH and then not having to borrow US Dollars back from the foreign industrialized nations that create their own NATIONAL WEALTH to pay for US government expenses.

The US International Trade Deficit must be corrected by any means possible in order to generate more NATIONAL WEALTH and stop the flow of title to US located assets (privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, refineries, forests, ports, breweries, distilleries, and other NATIONAL WEALTH) that are leaving the USA to pay for the things that we import and also to pay for increasing government expenses, such as stimulus for infrastructure expenses. The Trade Deficit is the basic structural economic foundation problem that will destroy the US economic miracle because title to US located assets are also leaving the USA to pay for the things that we import in addition to paying for US government expenses.

Without profitable US businesses, US corporations, and US businessmen, there will not be any jobs for US citizens (in order to create wealth for those businesses), except for tax payer funded jobs which will disappear if businesses stop creating NATIONAL WEALTH that can be taxed to pay for government jobs.
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gerald4
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09:52 AM on 10/20/2011
We all must realize that permanent jobs are only created by businesses, corporations, and businessmen in order to create wealth for those businesses.

These JOBS are only made, created, and/or acquired when the members of a family (or the citizen businessmen of a nation, city-state, island, tribe, etc.) perform one or more of the following tasks:

1. plant, grow and/or harvest something of commercial value from the earth;

2. extract something of commercial value from the earth;

3. manufacture something of commercial value that is consumable

4. construct permanently useful for rental income;

5. provide professional services (medical, legal, dental, engineering, architecture, land surveying, technology, accounting, etc.);

6. collect payment for patent and copyright uses;

and then trade, sell, lease or rent these items and/or services to parties outside of their family, in return for a net transfer of gold, currency or commodities from other parties outside of their family into their own family.

Their real NATIONAL WEALTH and financial security is reflected with the net positive accumulation of grain, gold, cattle, jewels, land, buildings, hotels, casinos, factories, commodities and/or other marketable products that are then available to be used for economic security for reserve use in times of emergency and/or also to raise the standard of living for the members of that family and also accumulate redeemable products and/or commodities plus title to US located assets as redeemable value for any printed currency that they might care to issue.
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gerald4
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09:55 AM on 10/20/2011
Brazil, Russia, India, China, (BRIC) nations, plus Pakistan, South Korea, and other industrialized countries of the world with a positive net foreign trade balance are NET CREATORS of the NATIONAL WEALTH for their nations and the de-industrialized USA with a negative net trade balance is a NET CONSUMER (DESTROYER) of the existing NATIONAL WEALTH in the USA.

This privately held NATIONAL WEALTH that was created by industrious and GREEDY private businessmen (and the GREEDY Corporations) is then also available to be confiscated in the form of taxation in order to create funds to form a government with money to build and operate schools, streets, water and sewer systems, repay sovereign national debts, pork barrel projects, green projects, infrastructure projects, wars, streets, bridges, highways, welfare, unemployment, school teachers, policemen, courts, prisons fire fighters, social security and other government provided bureaucratic services for that family, tribe, city, state, or nation.

There are limits to the amount of NATIONAL WEALTH that can be taken from the wealth creators in the form of taxes and paid to the government for various expenses, no matter how much these government expenses are deemed as being "necessary" (usually by the elite government bureaucrats). If those limits are exceeded, then that nation’s economy will self destruct!
08:43 AM on 10/20/2011
The world cannot abandon the iniquitous system, 'cos it is hooked on it! No one should expect others to play by the rules, but not themselves. Want to change the world? Change yourself! All these crises are not real - the world is still as rich, or poor, as it has been yesterday. So, you suffer 'cos you keep biting into the poisonous pie. Let go of it. Be yourself and not a copy of someone else. Have your own values and goals. Live your own life, enjoy living it..., and let others do the same.
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frank day
Obama cares about all of U.S.
09:11 AM on 10/20/2011
You're describing a Win Lose mentality.
Where the only way you gain is if everybody else loses.
That is exactly where we are now.
It's a race to the bottom.
Companies race to cut expenses , nations compete for scarce resources, and everybody
distrusts everybody else.
What brought us to this?
Greed and lawlessness at the highest levels of finance.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
11:49 AM on 10/20/2011
EIZEL:

I always thought that "ubiquitous systems" usually meant multi-tasking the solving of interrelated problems simultaneously, such as the World Economic Situation.

I think that most complex problems must be broken down into separate problems that can be individually solved separately.

I usually try to oversimplify things when I am trying to change another person's opinion.

I think that economics, the US Trade Deficit, the Federal Government Spending Deficit, Jobs for Americans, and the Buying Power or value of the US Dollar are all interrelated.

Each of these principles generally affect each of the others, and each is very important.

These subjects need to be understood by the General Public.

Economics is not that complicated.

Economic principals all interlocked together with easily understandable cause and effect principals of various economic action options that can be totally understood by almost any High School Graduate, and/or most High School Drop outs.
08:15 AM on 10/20/2011
I think he meant to say "global financial collapse" instead. We can thank our new Mad Max future in part to (their love of credit default swaps)...... Goldman Sachs, Bank Of America, JP Morgan Chase, Wells Fargo Citi Banks and many more. We can all thank them later when we are indentured servants for the rest of our days. All hail Lloyd Blankfein!
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gerald4
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12:21 PM on 10/20/2011
Amanda, indentured servintude is legal and common in Asia. And in the Bible.

Foreign individuals in foreign industrial nations that create wealth will eventually own everything of value in the USA as they redeem their freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds and US dollars that they earned by manufacturing US consumer products for title to privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, breweries, refineries, forests, ports, breweries, refineries, and other privately owned wealth and assets located in the USA (that were created by previous US generations prior to de-industrialization) that are located in the USA.

Foreigners will then become the major (or maybe the only) source of employment for US citizens after they redeem their US Treasury bonds for title to and control of all of the assets located in the USA.

The US population will then become employees; possibly indentured servants; or maybe even beg to become slaves or indentured servants owned by the foreign countries and/or foreign individuals that will own everything of value in the USA in the very near future if the US government continues to destroy the US economy and the purchasing power of the US dollar with deficit spending.

US citizens might have no options if they want to feed their families?

Our children and our grandchildren might also have to change to the religion of the business owner if they want a job.
01:47 PM on 10/20/2011
Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" also old revelations christian theory of "convert or die"
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frank1946
Tell the Truth
06:45 AM on 10/20/2011
Gordon, who wants to Bailout more persons who borrow and borrow and do not work to
pay Bills.......................Greece is a nice example of being too nice to Voters and Bureaucrats
who have no sense of WORKING for a living, not stealing ?

After the Greeks take a 40 % write down of the Assets then they will learn to borrow less ?

Europe has proven that a common currency cannot stop bad habits !
08:01 AM on 10/20/2011
And so has the US, frank1946!
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gerald4
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09:48 AM on 10/20/2011
Exactly stated. I hope thet the US government is divesting itself of all European government issued bonds as fast as possible.
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
08:17 AM on 10/20/2011
Great job sharing this article. It is only going to be the people demanding the truth be told to the people. You won't see this article on Huffington Post.
06:22 AM on 10/20/2011
Capitalism at its finest.
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gmikejake
resist evil
06:19 AM on 10/20/2011
Nope, won't work, misdiagnosis. It is called neocolonialism which happens when massive global corporations move into "undeveloped" nations and essentially take over their economic and political systems. For that, the citizens of those countries get jobs, ultimately a middle class, ultimately improved educational systems, health care, etc. For that the "developed" nations lose jobs, unions are "busted," benefits go away, etc. Corporations are CHOOSING to move to China, India, etc.... whichever nation welcomes them with cheap labor, no unions, etc. Just "business."
The answer? First, correct diagnosis, and "Obama did it" is not the current diagnosis, second, some serious democracy, OWS might be a good start.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
11:52 AM on 10/20/2011
Very interesting.
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gmikejake
resist evil
01:49 PM on 10/20/2011
It is but also very discouraging. We are, obviously, not in this economic mess alone. There are some "developed" nations that are not suffering as we are but they are more socialist in their economic mix.
This has been happening for a few decades but we are now seeing the culmination as our economies tank in a very visible way. There is an extensive literature on the subject that includes solutions. The solutions, as I indicated, involve an accurate understanding of the problems and then making societal decisions and taking action. Those actions, to be successful, will have to involve some limitation of both the perverted "socialism" we afford our wealthy international corporations and some limitation of their capitalistic endeavors. This would not need to make us "socialist" and clearly NOT communist but one can count on GREAT opposition from the transnational corporations. A lot of "PR", at least, some serious "reality creation," and probably significant investments in our political lives would occur on their part. We would also need to return to some serious investments in our own people, the 99%, which would actually have some secondary gain for our economy and our corporations. Education, health care, etc. Just a bit more socialism directed differently and a bit less capitalism would make some differences.
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DanoX
I'll be your snack-pack baby!
06:13 AM on 10/20/2011
Funny how the people who help cause a problem are always the first to cash in offering solutions to the problem.
For years the Asbestos industry defended their product until one morning we woke up and found that all of the Acme Asbestos Installation Companies were now the Acme Asbestos Removal Companies!
04:40 AM on 10/20/2011
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

The "Merkozy" coalition is one again in open dispute with itself. German chancellor Angela Merkel has one position and French President Nicolas Sarkozy another.

Historically, Sarkozy's disputes with Merkel have always been resolved with Merkel buckling like corn flakes run over by a cement truck.

However, I expect a different result this time because Sakrozy is fighting not only Merkel, but the ECB, the German constitution, and the Maastricht Treaty.

This has spawned an emergency flight by Sarkozy to Germany where the feud will continue.

Plans to tackle the euro zone debt crisis have stalled with Paris and Berlin at odds over how to increase the firepower of the region's bailout fund, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Wednesday.

Sarkozy told French lawmakers the dispute was holding up negotiations and flew to Frankfurt to talk with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in an attempt to break the deadlock ahead of a make-or-break European leaders' summit on Sunday.

The two leaders left that meeting without speaking to waiting reporters.

Asked if a deal had been reached, Jean-Claude Juncker, chairman of the Eurogroup of euro zone finance ministers who attended the evening meeting, replied: "We're still in meetings Saturday, Sunday."

Divided Over Leverage

France has argued the most effective way of leveraging the European Financial Stability Facility (EFSF) is to turn it into a bank which could then access funding from the ECB, but both the central bank and the German government have opposed this.
08:09 AM on 10/20/2011
The Germans are right, and Sarko the narco is wrong! The Germans are not going to bail out Greece, so the french banks escape default, and Sarko will get himself re-elected!
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
04:21 AM on 10/20/2011
PM Brown is, of course, right.

Financial chaos is inevitable. There's no way Greece's economy can be saved. It hasn't the will or the resources and can never be in a position to pay back any loans. The entire economy is a joke, a remnant of countless Ponzi schemes. If Germany and other European countries won't expand the bailout reserves beyond 440,000,000,000 and the Germany economy is slowing now to a trickle with the Germans themselves increasingly unwilling to pay more, this is a prescription for disaster. France's banks are on the verge of insolvency and Italy, after Greece, is teeter-tottering.
So why are all the banking spinmeisters and flim-flam artists in the financial media telling us to buy financial stocks today? Or telling us on Bloomberg and CNBC "don't worry, Greece can fail and the US economy won't be adversely affected"? LOL LOL

These are the same Brooklyn Bridge sales agents who were TOTALLY CLUELESS in 2007 and never saw the train wreck coming we're living with today.
08:28 AM on 10/20/2011
I agree with most of what you say Hysterian68. All it is about, is that Greece managed to steal more of this paper money than others, and the rest of the by proxy subscribers to the world's ponzi scheme are saying that, Greece is not playing by the rules!!! It's like pot calling the kettle black! I admire the Greeks and their leaders for beating the other crooks. At least the Greek people have enjoyed a better life, to which all of us are equally entitled, without our leaders legalising the stealing of our money from us by the bankers and corp[orate communists! It's well past for the world to change to a financial system that is not iniquitous, but it will not happen, 'cos everyone is hooked on it! The Greeks will fight, 'cos they're not like the Americans. There is a reason why the Wall Street, is not in Greece, but in the US, and the Greeks's willingness to accept being robbed blind by the bankers and their crooked lackeys, is not it!!!
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
01:16 PM on 10/20/2011
I've always admired the Greek people and spirit. They're tough as hell and will still survive. Come what may. They could teach a few lessons to these wimps amongst the "Occupiers of Wall Street" in Lower Manhattan on how to be tough, but resilient, and still get your way too. A lot of these people have a lot to learn from what's been occurring in Greece in recent years.

A nation of "mom and pop" businesses has left the rest of the EU and its corrupt and empty coffers holding an empty sack. There is a certain justice in that.