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No Child Left Behind Reaches Senate Floor As Sens. Paul, Harkin, Bennet Spar (VIDEO)

First Posted: 10/19/11 06:06 PM ET Updated: 10/19/11 07:19 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Debate over the No Child Left Behind revision hit the Senate floor earlier than expected on Wednesday after Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) busted up a morning committee markup of the bipartisan, 860-page education bill for running longer than two hours.

A discussion that started out weighing the merits of a revised federal education law quickly turned into a back and forth about congressional process, with most parties agreeing on the substance, broadly speaking, of how No Child Left Behind must change.

The bill, which is the product of months of negotiations between Senate education committee Chairman Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Ranking Member Mike Enzi (D-Wyo.), would roll back federally mandated sanctions for not meeting performance benchmarks that states and school administrators see as cumbersome. No Child Left Behind has been up for reauthorization since 2007.

While Paul had earlier said he wants to improve or do away with No Child Left Behind, he filed 74 amendments to the bill and then called to end Wednesday's committee meeting. Paul is now asking for a three-week reading period to review the bill and then hearings with testimony from school superintendents, teachers and principals.

"All I'm doing is saying we should not waive our normal rules. ... People wonder why bills have such bizarre things in them -- nobody reads them," Paul told reporters following the committee meeting. "They get passed, and then a month later we'll find out that they're requiring teachers to do four somersaults before they allow them to teach math in the morning."

Harkin disagreed with Paul's reluctance to move forward this week.

"It isn't a way to stop the bill. It's just a way to delay it for a long time," he told reporters following the markup. "How can we fix NCLB if [the committee] can't even meet?"

Harkin then spoke on the Senate floor, asking for unanimous consent that his Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee be authorized to meet further.

At that, Paul raised an objection. "I find it tragedy that we are operating here in the Senate by introducing an 868-page bill with 48 hours to read it," Paul said. (Actually, Harkin dropped the bill last week, adding a manager's amendment on Monday.)

Paul called on the committee to include teachers in educational policymaking, echoing the language of teachers unions, which have traditionally been Democratic stalwarts. At one point, he quoted from a letter signed by the National Education Association regarding the federal role in mandating teacher evaluations.

"I've yet to meet one teacher who's in favor of No Child Left Behind. They abhor it," Paul continued. He added that he doesn't believe in federal control of schools.

"I would like teachers to propose amendments to my office to fix No Child Left Behind if we're not going to scrap it. I would like to hear from superintendents," he said.

"Repeal it or fix it," Paul concluded.

Harkin said that's what the current bill does. "He wanted to do away with No Child Left Behind," Harkin said. "That's exactly what this bill does. It gets rid of No Child Left Behind and some of the narrow prescriptions ... and does, in fact, return a lot to local control."

Harkin also dismissed Paul's claims that the process of drafting the bill didn't allow him to voice his views, saying Paul never approached Harkin's staff. "I'm willing to listen to his amendments," Harkin said. "But how can we hear his amendments, consider his amendments, if the senator won't even allow us to meet under the rules of the Senate?"

Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.) then spoke. "The senator speaks of the tragedy of this process," Bennet said, referring to Paul's remarks. "I'll tell you what a tragedy is. The tragedy is that only nine of 100 children living in poverty in this country in 2011 can expect to get a college degree. That's a tragedy."

Bennet pointed to "the fact that when I became superintendent in the Denver public schools, on the 10th-grade math test there were 33 African-American students proficient on that test and 61 Latino students proficient on that test."

He continued:

There are 100 seats in the United States Senate. When I walk in this room, I think about what if the 100 people that were here were children living in poverty in the United States? Here's how many would have a college degree -- that chair, that chair, that chair, that chair, these four chairs and this one. That's it. The rest of this chamber would be occupied by people that didn't have the benefit of a college degree.

The discussion continued with a back and forth between Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), who decried the federal government's role in education, and Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.), who said his work on education reform began long before the bill came out. "I have spent more time on this bill than any other bill in my time here," Franken said.

The discussion ended with Franken suggesting they lacked a quorum.

Before Paul called to end the morning meeting, the education committee was able to get through only Burr's and Franken's proposed amendments.

Burr's amendment would have removed a measure allowing states to keep as much as 10 percent of Title I funding at the state level, but it was denied by the committee in a 13-9 vote.

An amendment proposed by Franken and Bennet to eliminate a school district's ability to transfer school personnel without mutual consent was adopted almost unanimously, save for Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) -- a former U.S. secretary of education -- who told his colleagues that adopting it would "put federal handcuffs on local school decisions."

In his closing statements at markup, Harkin said, "If senators think we will be deterred in our determination to move this bill through the committee, I can assure you that's not the case. We can start early, we can stay late."

The committee is scheduled to reconvene either Wednesday night or Thursday.

UPDATE: 6:17 p.m. -- The Senate education committee has announced that markup of the No Child Left Behind bill will resume at 8 a.m. on Thursday.

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WASHINGTON -- Debate over the No Child Left Behind revision hit the Senate floor earlier than expected on Wednesday after Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) busted up a morning committee markup of the bipartisan,...
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12:25 PM on 10/21/2011
I never thought I'd say this but here goes…Go Rand Paul!
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Alex Croley
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10:34 AM on 10/21/2011
Let's not waive the normal rules. Read the bill. But of course, we will go with the filibustering of the bill afterward.

Really, can't be more obtuse if you hit the American people over the head with a sle dge ha mmer.
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Patrick Fogarty
09:49 AM on 10/21/2011
No Child Left Behind is a good title for a book and I bet Washington consulted with a Madison Ave Advertising agency to come up with that name . Anyway I did not like the idea from the git go . Not because I don't believe we need a national education policy , as do the Pauls' ,but because some of the mandates from Washington are dis-constructive when it comes to education of our citizens . Educators need to make those policies not politically motivated representatives and congressmen . If we follow Murkowski of Alaska we will be telling high school students that there are only 4 elements and earthquakes and lightning is caused by angry gods . States do not have special needs . A good education is universal .
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gevan
big dubya
07:10 AM on 10/21/2011
Obstruct--delay--and obfuscate. The trilogy of Republican law makers. If nothing gets done then nothing would improve before next summer. The only way they can see for their flawed candidates to get a leg up in next year's election is to pile America into a steaming wreck.
09:59 AM on 10/21/2011
You would be outraged if a republican did the same thing, would you not? Rand Paul is correct on this issue.
01:24 AM on 10/21/2011
Ron Paul is a hero in this venue. There have been no discussions on NCLB and suddenly they need to pass a law without any input from educators or the public. Everything is unbelievable considering that we are discussing public education and there is no input from the public and professionals in the fields. These senators wouldn't pass a law about farmers without getting input. It proves that the federal government needs limited power in education, they don't know what they are doing.
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gevan
big dubya
07:11 AM on 10/21/2011
RP is a total As shole.
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gevan
big dubya
07:15 AM on 10/21/2011
p.s. Kentucky ratified the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments in 1976, NINETEEN SEVENTY-SIX!
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jvonkorff
Lawyer and School Board member, St. Cloud, MN
09:36 PM on 10/20/2011
My wife and I were both Franken DFL delegates in Minnesota. Generally, we think that he is doing a great job. But, a federal restriction on transferring teachers without mutual consent is unbelievably shortsighted. It does verify the comments that suggest that these folks really don't have a clue what they are doing. Senator Franken, what in the world are you thinking about? Legislation that destroys management's ability to manage in this fashion places a straightjacket around public education and will ultimately destroy it. Suppose we passed a law that prohibited Microsoft from transferring employees without their consent from one department to another? How long before Microsoft atrophied and died. By crippling public education's ability to respond to the needs of children, you hasten the day when only charter schools compete. Today, in Minnesota, regular public schools outperform charter schools, but if you keep heaping ridiculous mandates upon public education, you cripple our ability to function.
12:34 PM on 10/21/2011
Yup. Bennett is a little too in bed with the education "reformers" as far as I'm concerned.
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nypoet22
Psychology Ph.D., Civics Teacher, Songwriter
08:10 PM on 10/20/2011
as much as i dislike saying so, senator alexander is correct. under some circumstances districts need to send surplus teachers to places where we're needed, and some of us are too comfortable where we are to approve such a change. putting a federal mandate to it really does handcuff local government. if it's malicious, then that's what unions are for.
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TINA ANDRES
How did this happen?
11:25 PM on 10/20/2011
In all of my years teaching, I have never seen a "surplus" of teachers at any school. Schools receive teachers based on the number of students allowed by the district's class averages. The minute class size averages are too low, the school loses a teacher. There just aren't a bunch of schools that exist with "too many" teachers. Unless you are talking about sending teachers from high performing schools to poorly performing schools, I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't think that is a good idea either, BTW.
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nypoet22
Psychology Ph.D., Civics Teacher, Songwriter
01:26 AM on 10/21/2011
one of many possible examples: in areas where new schools are being built, a different school may lose a significant number of students, to the point where fewer teachers are needed. depending on the size and growth of the district, state laws and other factors, this may happen frequently or not at all. in my district it happens with some frequency depending on patterns of immigration and construction. what if teachers in a school with too few students simply don't want to leave?
01:30 AM on 10/21/2011
I've never seen it either but considering how many leave the profession now, I don't think much more can be expected of teachers and where they work. School districts are separate and school achievement as measured by standardized tests are based more by district. Low performing schools are often in urban and rural districts and yes teachers move around often there. Teachers are also limited to their certification. A teacher can be certified for elementary, reading, science etc. You don't want to send a science teacher to be an elementary teacher.
07:47 PM on 10/20/2011
no child left behind bill is a joke. what do these fools know about this hell the can't agree on how to run our country so all you fools on the hill stay the hell out of our lives we would be better off .
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Mytwocentstoo
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04:55 PM on 10/20/2011
***** 5 Starts to Bennet!
03:26 PM on 10/20/2011
An 860 page education bill. Isn't that the real problem with NCLB? The other problem is that the people who are affected the most: \students, parents, teachers, educations, administrators, support staff, etc. are not even at the table discussing this. Legislators and lobbyists are. Some democracy, huh?
02:44 PM on 10/20/2011
We need to start leaving some children behind. We can't afford to do otherwise.
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rdsmith627
08:06 PM on 10/20/2011
I teach in North Carolina. I love the countless dollars we spend on End of Course Exams (state mandated standardized tests), yet the school systems can't afford to give me copy paper or adequate technology. That is the real shame here.
02:42 PM on 10/20/2011
The problem is that we have doctors, lawyers, businessmen and women and other NON EDUCATORS making policy when they haven't studied education in college or never have been a teacher in a classroom. What they need to do is start listening to the experts in the field and then maybe we can get things done. It makes no difference on the type of school you go to and the neighborhood you live in, its is all about PARENTING!! I went to both public and private schools and I did fine in both. I had a good family structure. I know people who came from from urban areas and did fine in their public schools and those from suburban areas who didn't quite as well. Its our political system that needs reform.
07:48 PM on 10/20/2011
hell yeah
02:41 PM on 10/20/2011
NCLB takes a great problem with public education and makes it even worse. By forcing higher test scores, it forces a greater and greater amount of resources to go into science and math. Critical thinking, writing, music, the arts and everything that does not directly contribute to test scores often have to suffer in order for students to be ready to deal with the one-sided standardized tests.

Test scores do not necessarily represent a higher level of anything other than knowledge of what is on the tests. They do not generally encourage development of both sides of the brain, which is especially unfortunate because involvement in the arts especially helps to create a more well-rounded student.

Education should prepare young people for the rigors of further education, work and general living. I haven't used trigonometry or chemistry since I graduated high school, except to take ANOTHER standardized test. It's all a means to the same pointless end, when we could be using public education to do so much more.
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robert horwitz
02:11 PM on 10/20/2011
As I see it we have just two viable choices to change our Educational System. Let's just accept that the little dopes can't learn anything no matter what we do or let's send all our kids to China. They seem to have figured out how to educate kids.
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DanInLA
03:22 PM on 10/20/2011
No they haven't.
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sydneymoon
Dismiss what insults your own soul - WW
05:57 PM on 10/20/2011
China doesn't educate of of its children

"Chinese children are entitled to a state education, but not all of them get one. And the tens of millions born to migrant workers like Hu are among the most vulnerable, owing to a registration system that divides the country's citizens into rural and urban dwellers, and dictates their rights accordingly."
""You need connections to get your kids in [to state school] if you are from other places, and making those connections costs too much money," says Hu. "We can't afford it."

State schools receive no funding for migrant pupils, so often claim to be full. Others charge illicit "donations" of as much as 6,000 yuan (£590) a term, said Zhang Zhiquan, from the Friends of Migrant Workers group. That is more than Hu's entire income for the period."

Hardly a perfect system.
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robert horwitz
08:08 AM on 10/21/2011
So your saying the Chinese Educational System is similar to that in the US.
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robert horwitz
01:57 PM on 10/20/2011
Let's do what every Congress does when it talks about changing something. Don't change it just change the name of it. I have a few modest suggestions. (Leave Every Child Behind), (Make Sure Every Child Has A Big Behind), (Find Your Behind),(Where Is Your Behind), (Is Your Behind Behind)? So OK I've showed you the way. Let's vote on it already. Pass the darn thing and move on.