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Herman Cain's Abortion Comments Roil Iowa Republicans

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First Posted: 10/20/11 08:33 PM ET Updated: 10/21/11 10:37 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- The first signs of real damage to Herman Cain's campaign emerged Thursday as his position on abortion -- that he is personally anti-abortion but believes it's "not the government's role ... to make that decision" -- began to register with conservative Iowa activists.

"That is a pro-choice position," Bob Vander Plaats, a social conservative leader in Iowa, told The Huffington Post. "It's not where we're at on the issue and it's not where a lot of caucus-goers are at on the life issue. They believe Roe v. Wade should be overturned."

Cain put out a statement late in the day on Thursday trying to clarify his position, but he still did not address the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, raising questions about whether he believes in the legal right to abortion despite his strenuous rhetoric in the past claiming to be, in his own words, "pro-life."

Cain said he thought the question he was asked by CNN's Piers Morgan on Wednesday night was "whether that I, as president, would simply 'order' people to not seek an abortion."

"My answer was focused on the role of the President. The President has no constitutional authority to order any such action by anyone. That was the point I was trying to convey. As to my political policy view on abortion, I am 100% pro-life. End of story. I will appoint judges who understand the original intent of the Constitution. Judges who are committed to the rule of law know that the Constitution contains no right to take the life of unborn children," Cain said in his statement. "I will oppose government funding of abortion. I will veto any legislation that contains funds for Planned Parenthood. I will do everything that a President can do, consistent with his constitutional role, to advance the culture of life."

But a Cain spokesman, reached by phone Thursday evening, declined to explain why the Roe v. Wade decision was not mentioned and would not say whether Cain thinks abortion should be illegal.

"The statement was very deliberate and exact," said the campaign spokesman, who asked not to be identified by name. "We don't have anything to add to the statement."

Abortion is an especially important issue in Iowa, where voters tend to be more socially conservative. And the Hawkeye State -- which goes first in the primary process -- is open enough to someone like Cain to lift him from a long shot to a contender.

But before Cain put out his statement on Thursday, his comments from the CNN appearance had already reverberated around Iowa.

"[It] hurts him," Ann Trimble-Ray, an Iowa activist who works for Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), said in an email. "It will cause his current wave to die sooner than it would otherwise."

Another Iowa Republican operative said that there are "troubled waters ahead" for Cain but said "he has time to clean it up."

Craig Robinson, a former Iowa GOP official who now runs a political blog in the state, wrote: "Basically, Cain's position as a candidate is that of pro-abortion activists. The government has no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body."

Even if Cain clarifies his position and somehow satisfies the anti-abortion crowd, his comments are a lightning rod that will open the door on the right to a closer examination of his broader record.

That evolution was already on display in a column posted Thursday by Iowa radio talk show host Steve Deace, where he ran through his concerns about Cain's positions on the TARP bailout, the Federal Reserve, foreign policy, gay marriage, abortion and gun rights.

"Cain is good at regurgitating talking points, but when he is forced to explain what he believes the devil is usually found in the details," Deace wrote. "Based on the testimony of his own words, Cain is neither ready, willing, nor able to honor the oath of office required of a President of the United States."

If Cain were to clarify his remarks and come out in support of overturning Roe v. Wade, that might arrest the downward spiral that has begun. But it might not be enough to stop it. Trimble-Ray said that the abortion comments were not the only thing hurting Cain.

"So do his retractions and denials. He needs to be better prepared and understand how these mistakes affect him long term," she said, referring to the numerous times that Cain has misspoken and walked himself back, on whether Muslims would serve in his administration, to whether he would swap Guantanamo Bay detainees for a U.S. soldier held hostage by terrorists.

Cain's ascent to the top of the polls in the Republican presidential primary has prompted much head-scratching from professionals who see him as a political novice. But despite predictions of his eventual demise, Cain has not lost momentum in the past two weeks despite many criticisms of his 999 tax reform plan from many corners of the conservative spectrum.

Not many expected Cain's candidacy to be brought down by abortion. Cain's comments on CNN Wednesday evening about abortion sparked surprise from conservative leaders.

"Its an outlier from statements he's made in the past," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, who said he had called Cain to try to clarify what he meant, but had not yet talked to him. "I would rather give him the benefit of the doubt until I talk to him."

Cain was asked Wednesday evening by CNN's Piers Morgan for his view on abortion in the case of rape.

"It ultimately gets down to a choice that that family or that mother has to make. Not me as president, not some politician, not a bureaucrat. It gets down to that family. And whatever they decide, they decide. I shouldn't have to tell them what decision to make for such a sensitive issue," Cain said.

He added a minute later: "I can have an opinion on an issue without it being a directive on the nation. The government shouldn't be trying to tell people everything to do, especially when it comes to social decisions that they need to make."

Cain gave an even more confusing answer to Fox News' John Stossel in July. Stossel asked Cain if there were "any cases where [abortion] should be legal."

"I don't think government should make that decision," Cain said. Moments later he said, "People shouldn't just be free to abort." He added: "Abortion should not be legal."

But asked whether a woman should have an abortion if she is raped, Cain said: "That's her choice. That is not government's choice." (Read a transcript of the exchange here.)

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WASHINGTON -- The first signs of real damage to Herman Cain's campaign emerged Thursday as his position on abortion -- that he is personally anti-abortion but believes it's "not the government's role ...
WASHINGTON -- The first signs of real damage to Herman Cain's campaign emerged Thursday as his position on abortion -- that he is personally anti-abortion but believes it's "not the government's role ...
 
 
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Thisboy
08:03 PM on 10/23/2011
Should it surprise anyone that the Christian Al-Qeada are up in arms by one of the only rational things Cain has said yet?.
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JFaye
My micro-bio is not empty. Thank you.
05:39 PM on 10/23/2011
This makes no sense to any rational thinking person. Heck, this probably is illogical to irrational RepublicanTeaB'rs.... "Cain said he thought the question he was asked by CNN's Piers Morgan on Wednesday night was "whether that I, as president, would simply 'order' people to not seek an abortion."

Why would the President "order" any woman to seek or not seek an abortion?
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TexasMike
No False Equivalence Here
06:12 PM on 10/23/2011
Welcome to the rightwing republican mindset. Might as well anoint a new 18th Century style British King to rule the country. Yup, the tea party wants to see us back to antebellum times, where we were ruled by the King of England, we owned some of our fellow Americans and the Irish were the scapegoats of choice.
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
08:47 AM on 10/24/2011
The more he talks, the less sense he makes.
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digiRT
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03:16 PM on 10/23/2011
This is just the beginning for Cain. He's also a big flip-flopper. The man has zero principles so he's an easy target.

I'm not saying what my position is on abortion, but I am saying that Cain will unravel in the GOP very quickly.
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had410
Sorry GOP/ Gary Johnson 2012
02:54 PM on 10/23/2011
Cains tax plan will raise taxes on middle and lower income Americans.
Cain, the former Federal Reserve Banker, supported the bailouts for the banks.
I am confused as to how this man is getting support from T. E. A. Party Americans.
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TexasMike
No False Equivalence Here
06:15 PM on 10/23/2011
He's a republican. He isn't a democrat. They are told HOW to vote and HOW to think. Just listen to AM Talk Radio sometime. They could call the moon a democratic symbol and we'd have teabaggers protesting in the street against the moon.
02:38 PM on 10/23/2011
This is certainly the problem Republican candidates have -- satisfying the extremist, no-compromise, no recognition of alternate opinions GOP -- and then, after getting nominated -- having to rush to the center and convince the rest of America that they didn't really mean it.
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Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
02:33 PM on 10/23/2011
These are the kind of flip-flops you get when one uses a Magic 8 Ball to answer interview questions.
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Elaine David Lisle
01:33 PM on 10/23/2011
Another double-talking politician. Like we dont have enough of them already..apples and oranges huh? its just one tax stacked on top of the others. Who do you think your trying to out slick?
11:27 AM on 10/23/2011
For a moment there I thought Cain was on the right track. I cannot believe that
ALL Republicans are against saving a Mother's life in the case of her pregnancy gone wrong.
These laws would eliminate saving the baby's life in some of these cases. THEY HAVE
NO MORAL right or any other right to interfere in these life-saving matters. That goes for the
right to birth control pills, or other measures especially in the case of rape or incest.

Now they may call this murder, but I call it murder if they interfere and the Mother dies. It
is HER decision to make with the best help of the Physician and maybe the Father,

I get the argument that "well, people will use saving a Mother's Life as an excuse to
abort unwanted babies" and that is poppycock. How is right to let a Mother die just
to try to make certain some unkown woman will try to subvert the law. It is like
letting innocent people be executed just to make certain you get the right one.
If by making these laws to please God (their thinking) then I have to say
that they are not the judge.

They want the government out of all of their business, yet are trying to
make laws for the government to subjucate women.

\Most Americans are not even aware of the onslaught that is taking place on this issue.
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gywkwakwa
sick of LP bull
12:34 PM on 10/23/2011
There is a truly great article on the subject, granted it is the opinion of a pro-life Doctor, but I feel the case is made that an abortion is NEVER medically necessary. See the statement below:

"When the life of the mother is truly threatened by her pregnancy, if both lives cannot simultaneously be saved, then saving the mother’s life must be the primary aim. If through our careful treatment of the mother’s illness the pre-born patient inadvertently dies or is injured, this is tragic and, if unintentional, is not unethical and is consistent with the pro-life ethic. But the intentional killing of an unborn baby by abortion is never necessary".

The article goes on to address the other "exceptions" to abortion and dismisses them as insincere with logic and reason, not emotion.

http://www.prolifephysicians.org/rarecases.htm

The below link takes you to a blog supporting the position above.

http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-real-care-for-life-threatening.html

The whole issue has been blurred and a false argument has been used to justify something that is unjustifiable. It truly is not a matter of choice, it is a matter of life, respecting all life, not just the life of those that take the life of weaker more vulnerable others.
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JFaye
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05:50 PM on 10/23/2011
I'm assuming when you say this physician is "pro-life" you mean he is anti-abortion?

There are cases where termination of a pregnancy is medically necessary to save a mother's life.

I am pro-life yet believe it is a woman's right and decision to have an abortion or not. Realistically, long before abortions became legal, women risked their lives to abort a fetus. Under no circumstances can we return to that barbaric era.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
12:49 AM on 10/24/2011
The US constitution states that i have a right to privacy. Anything that my doctor and i decide is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

Tell me, what medical decisions can i make for you?
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Elaine David Lisle
01:40 PM on 10/23/2011
I want to no why the ones making the decisions on womens rights are a bunch of stuft shirt old men?? Women are no longer property. The decisions should be between the woman her doctor and her god will be the judge. If the child is already dying by miscarriage then god has already taken it home to him..the woman did not ask to lose her child..she should not have to suffer more.
Abortion should never be allowed to be a form of birth control...thats what BC pills and IUDs and the rest of them are for. Take responsibility if you are going to be sexually active. There are a hundred ways to keep from getting pregnant out there you can get over the counter. Abortion should never be taken lightly when you have so many alternatives.
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Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
02:34 PM on 10/23/2011
I think most people agree with you.

Why are we allowing a group of extremists to hijack women's health?
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earto44
Defender of planet Erf.
10:31 AM on 10/23/2011
Herman Cain plays the "Dumb" card.
Shame on you Herman Cain for going that way. Really? Going to play the "Dumb" card so early?
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Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
12:29 PM on 10/23/2011
It started early last week when he said that the questions were flying so fast he didn't know what was going on.

Easily flustered, he.
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
12:34 PM on 10/23/2011
I don't think he is playing. I believe that is the card he was dealt.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
06:45 PM on 10/22/2011
Cain's position is simple: abortion should be illegal, but government shouldn't be the one to make that decision.

Why do liberals always assume that government knows best when it comes to making things illegal?
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TheBluesGuy
I'm too old to be governed by fear of dumb people.
10:26 AM on 10/23/2011
Possibly because it's Conservatives who usually try to outlaw 'things.'
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FlamingLibrul
10:27 AM on 10/23/2011
Yuk, yuk snort!
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:47 PM on 10/23/2011
Hiya FL!, how are you, friend?
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
05:10 PM on 10/22/2011
Herman, I actually agree with you. In no way can that be helpful when dealing with Christian Conservatives. Where, somehow, they have convinced themselves they are right. Period. Cons want small government, unless it tells me what to do with my uterus or who to marry. I guess they pick and choose which parts of government should be small. Extending a helping hand to citizens....not the government's job. Telling me what to do with my body...well, that's the Republican way.
I finally figured it out. They want small government when it fits their needs. Big, intrusive government when it fits their needs. It is rather confusing.
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smcircle
If we don't stand up for us who will?
05:21 PM on 10/22/2011
The nail is being hit squarely on its "only our ways and belief are right" head. What we tea baggers pick and choose for all will be the law of the land. For all of us who truly believe in individual freedom and Americanism you can do what you-know-what with your "only our ways are right" attitude... Thank you for your post...
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
09:38 AM on 10/23/2011
I'm more convinced than ever these people pose a serious threat to our Democracy. We must vote them out from local, state, and federal office. This theocratic corporate friendly America Republicans are pushing for just seems too much like Iran for my comfort.
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xlntcat
05:28 PM on 10/22/2011
Reagan and Bush II put forth the largest expansions of the federal government. Republicans want to talk about "small government" but just like their historical failure to govern in a fiscal responsible manner, they do not practice decreasing the size of government when in power.
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smcircle
If we don't stand up for us who will?
05:32 PM on 10/22/2011
Well, they are very good with "political" speak when it comes to telling us what they want us to believe...
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Jesster
05:37 PM on 10/22/2011
They do not practice what they preach and then they add insult to injury with pious / self-righteous hypocrisy and endless lies and deceptions.
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smcircle
If we don't stand up for us who will?
05:07 PM on 10/22/2011
Whatever our personal individual beliefs should be what guides us, ourselves, and in no way should they be imposed on others. What a better way to deny freedom then to impose our beliefs on others. Would it be freedom for me to declare Saturday to be the day of Sabbath for all Americans as it was for the Christian Messiah Jesus, and to deny others their Sunday sabbath? Where would it end? Personally I believe life begins at conception because it makes so much sense to me that a cell cannot divide if not alive. But for me to tell a women she can not take her “Free Will rights, as I believe was given to us by God, is to say I know better than God. God will judge her for how she responds and we shouldn’t have that right. To each his/her own faith because that is freedom for all in this regard.
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gywkwakwa
sick of LP bull
12:46 PM on 10/23/2011
By that logic then we can murder and not suffer consequences imposed by man, as we will face our maker and be judged. God did in fact give free will, however it was also said "thou Shalt not kill"; it doesn't say thou shalt not kill unless the individual is in the uterus.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:57 PM on 10/23/2011
Huh? That's not even close to what the poster was saying.

Failed again......
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neuticles
Author of Going...Going...NUTS !
04:48 PM on 10/22/2011
while i cant stand cain- and will never vote for him- i agree with him on that issue. i too am opposed to abortion but do believe its up to the mother to decide. its called freedom- something republlicans want to take away for us and have managed quite well on other issues.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
06:34 PM on 10/22/2011
Yes, your position is what is known in the business as "pro choice."
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gywkwakwa
sick of LP bull
12:49 PM on 10/23/2011
You (and many others) miss a fundamental point, you don't get to "Choose" to end a life. If that were so I could choose to end yours, right? Wrong, just being inutero does not eliminate the right to life.
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Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
02:36 PM on 10/23/2011
The law says you're wrong.

And your religion has no power here.
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tj101
Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
02:44 PM on 10/23/2011
You make the choices for your body and we get to make the choices for ours.

See how Freedom works?
04:31 PM on 10/22/2011
" "Basically, Cain's position as a candidate is that of pro-abortion activists. The government has no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body." "

There are no pro-abortion activist. There are pro-choice activists, but no one really, truly likes the idea of abortion.
llyd wlsh
chem, nuke, bio hazard
04:17 PM on 10/22/2011
HENCEFORTH....a TRAIN wreck shall be called a CAIN wreck