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Florida Welfare Drug Testing Law Blocked By Federal Judge

Rick Scott Drug Testing Welfare Florida

MIKE SCHNEIDER and KELLI KENNEDY   10/24/11 11:21 PM ET   AP

ORLANDO, Fla. — A federal judge temporarily blocked Florida's new law that requires welfare applicants to pass a drug test before receiving benefits on Monday, saying it may violate the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches and seizures.

Judge Mary Scriven ruled in response to a lawsuit filed on behalf of a 35-year-old Navy veteran and single father who sought the benefits while finishing his college degree, but refused to take the test. The judge said there was a good chance plaintiff Luis Lebron would succeed in his challenge to the law based on the Fourth Amendment, which protects individuals from being unfairly searched.

The drug test can reveal a host of private medical facts about the individual, Scriven wrote, adding that she found it "troubling" that the drug tests are not kept confidential like medical records. The results can also be shared with law enforcement officers and a drug abuse hotline.

"This potential interception of positive drug tests by law enforcement implicates a `far more substantial' invasion of privacy than in ordinary civil drug testing cases," said Scriven, who was appointed by President George W. Bush.

The judge also said Florida didn't show that the drug testing program meets criteria for exceptions to the Fourth Amendment.

The injunction will stay in place until the judge can hold a full hearing on the matter. She didn't say when that hearing will be scheduled.

More than two-dozen states have also proposed drug-testing recipients of welfare or other government assistance, but Florida was the first state to enact such a law in more than a decade. Should any of those states pass a law and face a court challenge, Scriven's ultimate ruling would likely serve as a legal precedent.

The law's proponents include Gov. Rick Scott, who said during his campaign the measure would save $77 million. It's unclear how he arrived at those figures. A spokesman for the Florida Department of Children and Families deferred all comments to the governor's office.

"Drug testing welfare recipients is just a common-sense way to ensure that welfare dollars are used to help children and get parents back to work," said Jackie Schutz, a spokeswoman for Scott. "The governor obviously disagrees with the decision and he will evaluate his options regarding when to appeal."

Earlier this year, Scott also ordered drug testing of new state workers and spot checks of existing state employees under him. But testing was suspended after the American Civil Liberties Union also challenged that policy in a separate lawsuit.

Nearly 1,600 applicants have refused to take the test since testing began in mid-July, but they aren't required to say why. Thirty-two applicants failed the test and more than 7,000 have passed, according to the Department of Children and Families. The majority of positives were for marijuana.

State officials said Monday that applicants previously denied benefits for testing positive or refusing the test could reapply immediately. The Department of Children and Families will also approve all pending applications that await drug test results.

Supporters had argued applicants skipped the test because they knew they would have tested positive for drugs. Applicants must pay $25 to $35 for the test and are reimbursed by the state if they pass. It's unclear if the state has saved money.

Under the Temporary Assistance For Needy Families program, the state gives $180 a month for one person or $364 for a family of four.

Those who test positive for drugs are ineligible for the cash assistance for one year, though passing a drug course can cut that period in half. If they fail a second time, they are ineligible for three years.

Lebron, who is the sole caretaker of his 4-year-old son, said he's "happy that the judge stood up for me and my rights and said the state can't act without a reason or suspicion."

The ACLU says Florida was the first to enact such a law since Michigan tried more than a decade ago. Michigan's random drug testing program for welfare recipients lasted five weeks in 1999 before it was halted by a judge, kicking off a four-year legal battle that ended with an appeals court ruling it unconstitutional.

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Kennedy reported from Miami.

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06:25 PM on 12/06/2011
I just can't see where this is a good thing. Our civil liberties are essential to our status as Americans. Is this really where we want to be? Beating up the poor in an economy that is crushing the middle class and poor like we have not seen in generations? The last 10 years have seen an erosion of freedoms in America. It's time we stood up, as citizens, and fight for what is right! I wrote a couple of articles about the testing of welfare recipients, if anyone is interested.

http://freddysopenmind.blogspot.com/2011/08/drug-testing-welfare-recipients.html

http://freddysopenmind.blogspot.com/2011/08/drug-testing-welfare-recipients-part.html
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LiberalLee
Yes I am a witch. Deal with it.
11:02 PM on 11/24/2011
I've noticed how strenuously conservatives argue against 'government hand-outs'...yet have NO problem with people like Mi-Shrill Bachmann and her fake-psychiatrist husband collecting hundreds of thousands every year in one scheme or another.
Makes them look just a tad hypocritical.
Not that they ever notice...
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Deli
Life after death, why wait?
01:55 AM on 12/08/2011
They also argue for the government to stay out of their lives, but it is okay to run roughshod over the lives of the poor. The baggers will be very happy to destroy the postal service, but will be expecting their gobermint checks in their mail boxes, just the same.
10:09 PM on 11/16/2011
I really have mixed feeling on this subject. I am like everyone else I don't want to give my money to someone who is going to sit at home and use drugs. However, I really don't want to see the kid suffer either. Its really not fair to them. After all that is what welfare is for right? The druggies already ruined their life. we shouldn't let them ruin their kids lives too.
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LiberalLee
Yes I am a witch. Deal with it.
10:44 PM on 11/24/2011
Studies have proven that the actual percentages of those testing positive were somewhere around 1%.
And for that, they spend millions of $ to avoid paying a paltry few hundred $.
but Scott's wife owns those drug testing facilities.
Feathering your nest, you ALREADY convicted fraudster?
You betcha!
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
06:44 PM on 12/03/2011
SO ACCURATE! you explained it. Why are people so stupid? Scott is a CON of the highest order! He's a repulsive example of what we don't need.
04:50 AM on 11/30/2011
Mixed feelings. Not facts!
09:44 PM on 11/15/2011
The best part was when I was collecting welfare and working under the table. All that tax free money and I was doing enough drugs to kill a small pony! A couple kids at $150 more a pop, and I was golden. There's plenty more like me, I make more money staying home and collecting checks than I would at a legit minimum wage job!

Wait...that wasn't me, that was my cousin. Gotta love the abuse of a program that was designed to help people. If people need the government to survive, they are working for the government.
09:46 PM on 11/16/2011
Thats sad. Some people really need the assistance. But you are right there are many people that do the same thing.
05:03 AM on 11/30/2011
$150 Shaw! Crushing it... Why would anyone ever work when you can bring home $150 a month for a child?!

Wait... hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... That's me laughing at your ridiculous logic. Did I mention you gave nothing but an opinion?! hahahahahahahahahahah... That's me laughing at you again.

Let's say he got the maximum $650. In the state of WA where I live, he's making at least $650 less than working a full time minimum wage job even after taxes are considered. Based on your logic he should be making more money, yet he isn't.

I'm gonna laugh myself to sleep with this one, but I'm hopeful that by morning your scattered opinion will result in better numbers. Doubt it though!

Your cousin sounds like a dumb-a** and irresponsible without question, but I'm not sure his situation justifies drug testing every citizen who needs assistance. And it won't!
04:48 AM on 11/30/2011
Opinion!
12:03 PM on 11/09/2011
If it violates the Constitution's ban on unreasonable searches and seizures, maybe some one should take all companies to court as well...
08:57 PM on 11/12/2011
That's absurd. Comparing private companies to government is like comparing apples to oranges. Businesses can drug test all they want. We are talking about the government drug testing its citizens. And telling only a certain percentage of citizens they have to drug test. 4th amendment protects these minorities. Period. The courts will uphold this and people should be smarter.

Not to mention the Governor of Florida still owns shares of Solantic in a revocable trust worth $62 million. What does Solantic do? Oh... They drug test! Wonder if they will benefit from these state drug dollars?

Always the poor people's fault. Haha right!
02:57 PM on 11/14/2011
Okay do not compare a private company to the goverment, but instead compare government to goverment workers. Both groups of people expect money from the goverment, with the only difference being that one group expects to work for the money and the other expects the money to just be given. Yet one of the groups can be tested with out recourse and the other is given a free pass. Is this what the world should expect, if it is why work because we have more protections if we are unemployed....
03:09 PM on 11/21/2011
If that's the case the military has no right to test the soldiers, sailors, airmen with their drug testing. It's the same government....
09:50 PM on 11/16/2011
I don't know about that? I am subject to drug test where I work and I think it is probably a good thing we don't want all kinds of "drugies" working there.
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LiberalLee
Yes I am a witch. Deal with it.
10:46 PM on 11/24/2011
Private sector...remember?
Not government.
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
06:53 PM on 12/03/2011
That's fine; you chose your employer. Your employer pays you.
03:52 PM on 11/05/2011
In my opinion it is Unconstitutional to take my money and give it to people that refuse to work for it.. Oh and by the way I am right.
09:01 PM on 11/12/2011
If you are right. Please provide section and article of the US constitution where it says you are right?!

At this moment your OPINION is all that you are standing on. The Judge described above called the Governor's law unconstitutional and then gave reasoning for it. You have none like the rest of the people who agree with such a ridiculous law. I'm sure the Judge knows less than you. I forgot. Tool.
06:48 PM on 11/14/2011
You may be right about section and article of the constitution, but then again can you pin point section and article where it says that this is a right to recieve something for nothing. This is done out of the moral fiber of America and not to be taken advantage of.
09:36 PM on 11/15/2011
Just checked my Constitution bookmark...nope, no mention of paying people not to work.
09:12 PM on 11/29/2011
refusing to work and being unable to work are two separate things my friend. for example, if you work a minimum wage, full time job you are paying more for child care per week than you are receiving from a pay check per week. sucks when fact trumps opinion, no? oh and by the way, declaring that an opinion is "right" is kiiiiind of the definition of wrong.
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Activist Annie
06:36 PM on 10/30/2011
Well Hallelujah! A judge with not only a knowledge of the Law but with common sense too!
03:41 PM on 11/05/2011
Knowledge of the law? There is no law that says Unemployment and Welfare are to be paid in the first place... The State is not violating any laws by not paying them out. There is a reason these people are on Welfare, probably because they are NOT employable.
09:03 PM on 11/12/2011
Josh expands on his psedo-knowledge. I'm still searching in your arguments for reason.
09:12 PM on 11/12/2011
The law in question is not whether or not unemployment and welfare are to be paid. The law in question is whether or not to drug test such people.

Try separating the two for clarity Josh. A government can't tell a citizen how to live their lives no matter how much YOU think they should.
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whyus
San Francisco native
11:21 AM on 10/29/2011
When can Florida recall Rick Scott!?! Good for that judge. Even though she was appointed by GWB, she managed to think for herself and do the right thing.
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Harrison Meeske
04:59 PM on 10/28/2011
some people seem to object to the law as benefiting insiders........as a tax payer I do not care what the specific law says but I want no one to recieve tax money who is on drugs....because if the can afford the drugs they can support themselves. people who work have to pass drug tests so it is no unusual demand that people getting tax money must also take drug tests.each month before they get anything, and they should have to do some community service work and get food not coupons they sell for drugs, cigarettes and other things...............how long must tax payers be total fools and let themselves be riped off...........I own houses and pay several mortgages, if you want a house buy it, do not come to me for free housing......live on the street or in a barrack somewhere...................I only would provide medicine free to all because that is a real need and it helps the commnity stay well
09:07 PM on 11/12/2011
Harrison, that was a great summary of how YOU think everyone should live their lives. The constitution was put in place so YOU couldn't tell them how to live their lives.

I own blah blah blah blah blah, I'm bluh blah blah, I did blah blah. Therefore you have to do blah blah blu blah.

Amazing wisdom.
03:41 PM on 11/05/2011
Starving our children? So wait a minute... Requiring their parents to pass a drug test will starve the children? Only if they don't pass, in that case the children should be taken anyways.
09:08 PM on 11/12/2011
You don't understand Josh because you aren't smart.
09:28 AM on 10/28/2011
Just thought I would drop in here to see if anyone knows where/if there are any stories following Ron Paul and his campaign?... Please reply if you do, been all over this site, can't find anything!
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Deli
Life after death, why wait?
01:51 AM on 12/08/2011
You'll need to hop on the time machine to 1850 for an update.
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kjhummingbird3x5
12:23 AM on 10/28/2011
180 a month???? WTF is that gonna do? And 364 four a family of four? My light bill is 300 a month... I cannot believe the audacity of these people. Drug testing is a straight violation. And how is this saving 77 million dollars? only 32ppl failed soooo 180 x 32 = 77,000,000?
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Deli
Life after death, why wait?
01:52 AM on 12/08/2011
It is racketeering. He and his wife own the urgent care clinics where people have to go for the tests.
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kjhummingbird3x5
12:19 AM on 10/28/2011
what? a vet on welfare? noooooooo.... society tells us otherwise.....
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liberalhammer
Never trust a republican
06:28 PM on 10/27/2011
All prople recieving money from the people should be drug tested. Contractors and their employees, politicians, goverment employees, the banksters who got bailed out. anybody who recieves money from the government.
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ApprxAm
Oh, dam_…the dam is broke!
01:18 AM on 10/28/2011
Would be nice, wouldn't it?
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
07:31 PM on 12/03/2011
OK!

Now here is an idea I can buy into!

But why stop here? Have the Pols, Bank folk, Corps, etc.... pay for their own testing! Also, ensure a percentage of the PROFITS gleaned by the drug-testing companies are paid to Taxpayers!
WHY shouldn't the Taxpayers get some of the Drug-Test kick-back? If the grift/SCAM is FAIR for Gov.R Scott & his wife, why not for the Taxpayers???

IMHO, R Scott is a flagrant CON, and the people who support him (IMHO) are either not very bright, or are also CONs.
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Lady1genius
No se puede tapar el sol con un dedo
02:14 PM on 10/27/2011
For all those asking "why can you be required to submit to a drug test to work for the government, but not to recieve welfare" here's a simply analogy for you.
The government can drug test a firefighter, police officer, or teacher as a condition of employment. However, the government CANNOT force you to take a drug test because you need your fire put out, were robbed at gunpoint, or need to enroll your child in school.
I hope this clears up the confusion between government employment and government services.
03:59 PM on 10/27/2011
So if you want to work for the check you get drug tested butr if you want the cherck for nothing you can't be drug tested.
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Lady1genius
No se puede tapar el sol con un dedo
08:24 PM on 10/27/2011
Of course, the check you get for "nothing" is for $6 per day. I think I'd rather work. But yes... you are correct. Welfare is a service.
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sal ear
Hey, how are you?
07:38 PM on 12/03/2011
Well said! also, you phrased this so that even a person with 8th grade reading comprehension can understand - this is beneficial for some of the individuals who have posted on this thread.