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Chris Paine: Recharging Hope In Electric Cars

First Posted: 10/25/11 01:57 PM ET Updated: 11/22/11 12:48 PM ET

No villains appear in Chris Paine's new film, "Revenge of the Electric Car" -- a stark contrast to its 2006 predecessor. "Who Killed the Electric Car?" came complete with a search for the discarded bodies of General Motor's EV1 (eventually found crushed in a junkyard), a funeral and accusations that the auto industry and oil companies had teamed up to destroy the promise of a zero-emission vehicle.

But Paine had a feeling the electric car would eventually come back. As he told HuffPost, "You can't really kill a great idea."

In the new film, which debuted in select cities on Friday, Paine goes behind the scenes with executives of GM, Nissan and start-up Tesla Motors, as well as a quirky couple that do their own gas-to-electric car conversions, in a race to produce a viable version of the plug-in car. And the carmakers appear to be pleased with Paine's finished product: GM's Bob Lutz, the arch-villain of the previous film, comes off as decent guy, and Nissan and Tesla are reportedly sponsoring screenings.

What's changed since Paine's first film? A few things. For starters, when the EV1 debuted in the late-1990s, gasoline was cheap, Paine said. Today's high prices provide a drastically different backdrop. Still, victory for the zero-emission electric car is far from a given.

In the early 1900s, the first battle played out between the electric and gas vehicle. The latter may have won out partly because of stereotypical male preferences: "It was noisy and made them sound like wild animals," said Paine.

Gas cars went on to hold a monopoly for the next 100 years. But, as Paine suggests, that's finally starting to change -- along with what society considers sexy. "The good news about electric cars is that they are both more masculine and more feminine," he added. "They are more powerful. You feel like you're driving an iPad or something."

The sub-100 mile range of some current electric vehicles also discourages some buyers, especially those living outside of cities. Cars such as the Chevy Volt, fitted with a gas engine that kicks in when the battery dies, may remain more practical.

But a broad charging network could soon diminish any remaining reliance on gasoline. The Northeast Electric Vehicle Network announced last Wednesday that it will help push the installation of charging station infrastructure throughout the region. Similar programs are underway around the country. (California alone already has more than 500 stations.) What's more, by the end of next year, Tesla is expected to release its Model S, which will boast a range of up to 300 miles.

Then there's the popular criticism that oil is still required, albeit indirectly, to charge gas-less cars. Paine scoffs at that argument, pointing out that the world's biggest user of electricity is the oil industry.

"Every gallon of gasoline takes like five kilowatt hours of electricity to make. That's why power lines are going into refineries, not coming out," he said. "If you took that same energy and put in an electric car -- a Leaf for example -- it could go 20 miles."

Hybrid and all-electric cars also tend to carry a higher price tag than traditional gas-powered cars, although Paine suggests that they "aren't as expensive as people think." The federal government currently offers a $7,500 rebate, bringing options down to the $30,000 range. Plus, swapping a gas pump for a plug essentially cuts costs by two to three dollars a "gallon," according to Paine.

In an interview with HuffPost in August, Ryan Park, director of business development for California-based REC Solar, suggested that pairing solar panels with electric cars could stretch savings even further, with the cost of driving a mile becoming 80 percent less than it would in a gas-powered car.

Better yet, "none of that money goes to the Middle East," said Paine. "What if we kept that money here? We could build a light rail station every day."

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No villains appear in Chris Paine's new film, "Revenge of the Electric Car" -- a stark contrast to its 2006 predecessor. "Who Killed the Electric Car?" came complete with a search for the discarded bo...
No villains appear in Chris Paine's new film, "Revenge of the Electric Car" -- a stark contrast to its 2006 predecessor. "Who Killed the Electric Car?" came complete with a search for the discarded bo...
 
 
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11:50 AM on 10/27/2011
GREEDY MANUFACTURERS AND THEIR EXHORBITANT PRICES.
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CTDFalconer
Think twice, post once.
12:49 PM on 11/03/2011
All new technologies start out expensive. Things would have been different if the whole industry embraced electric from the start, but the market went for the range and storability of gas. Prices have been slowly decreasing for electric cars and demand has been increasing. It's only a matter of time before they become more popular. Trends are moving in the right directions, slowly but surely.
07:01 AM on 10/27/2011
The latter may have won out partly because of stereotypical male preferences: "It was noisy and made them sound like wild animals," said Paine.

Paine is babbling. They won out because of range, cost, and refueling time. Pretty simple to figure out, IF your I.Q. is >50...
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mlaiuppa
Pres. Sarcasm Society. Like we need your approval.
12:52 AM on 10/27/2011
I so want a Tesla S but will have to win the lottery to afford one.

I am ready for an EV when the time comes. I've got PV on the roof and can add panels to offset the off peak charging. I have a 2008 Prius so sometime around 2018 or 2020 I'm hoping I'll be able to replace it with an EV.
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CTDFalconer
Think twice, post once.
01:38 PM on 11/03/2011
There will be some less-expensive models coming in the near future. Ford will put out an electric Focus, Mitsubishi will have one out next year. They'll keep coming slowly but surely.
11:39 PM on 10/26/2011
Who killed the EV1? GM did. They could have rolled it into the Oldsmobile dealerships. No.
They could have folded it into Pontiac or Saturn. No.
GM killed the EV1. They killed Olds ( I owned seven) and Saturn (Have owned three)
Will never buy another GM. Never.
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Moe Sislak
06:28 PM on 10/26/2011
Can you imagine if the billions we spend on oil really did stay here in the U.S?
05:35 PM on 10/26/2011
Man i need to buy one.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
05:02 PM on 10/26/2011
I find it ironic that Exxon, the evil climate change denier, did climate change research in the 1970s and 80s and came to the conclusion that global temperatures are rising. They decided technology and energy efficiency was the answer. They spent billions on alternative energy, but that came to a close in 1985 with Reagan pulling the rug out from under alternative energy and the price of crude oil dropping at the same time. Over the years, Exxon has "plugged and abandoned" 90% of their oil wells in the US and gave up their leases and contracts. They sold many of their refineries. They sold all of their gas stations in the US. They are still investing in natural gas, but Americans are not really interested. Americans want cheap coal and gasoline. Exxon also produces more electricity from waste heat than 3000 1.5MW wind turbines. Finally, Exxon has complied with the Kyoto Protocol. We Americans are still sitting on our thumbs arguing and pointing fingers, accomplishing nothing. We Americans are exactly where we were 40 years ago.
03:45 PM on 10/26/2011
I have NO problem with absolutely anything "alternative"--Gaya-friendly, you know, that kind of crap--so long as there is NO GOVERNMENT $ invloved!
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CTDFalconer
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01:14 PM on 11/03/2011
Why should it be such a problem to invest in energy security? We are all in the same boat and it only makes sense to use some national wealth to improve our prospects for global competitiveness not to mention the environmental benefit. I can see no downside unless you're one of those Libertarian types who think we should only spend money on the military and police.
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Adriana231
02:46 PM on 10/26/2011
My Chevy Volt has been on order since early September...GM can't make them fast enough to keep up with demand.
02:58 PM on 10/26/2011
You're going to love it.

I got my Volt early when someone's financing fell through. Check this map out for public charging:

http://www.mychargepoint.net/find-stations.php

I have a free charge station at my local Meijer store, in a strip mall with lots of other stores and restaurants. We go twice a week, shop, eat, and fill our battery for free. Meijer considers electricity cheap enough to give away for free, to get customers.

Can't beat free driving.

Free charge stations are also going in at Ikea, Walgreen and Best Buy. Probably others, soon.

We also got a deal from our electric utility - free 240v charger installation, and an off-peak electric rate. After 11pm, electricity for charging costs us just 4 cents/KWH (7 cents with taxes.)

This makes our cost-per-mile (not counting the FREE miles from Meijer) just 2 cents.

Hey, those savings add up after a while. I just love driving past gas stations. We did burn some gas in our Volt this summer to take a couple of vacations, but now that summer's over, I don't expect to visit any BP stations for a long, long time.
03:46 PM on 10/26/2011
Hon, believe me, if the demand was THAT big, GM would have stopped everything else to start producing them!
03:55 PM on 10/26/2011
There's no problem with demand. GM has just been very careful with production until all the bugs were ironed out. In 2011, GM has just sold the car into a few test markets. Here's the Volt wait list:

http://gm-volt.com/wait-list-data/

In 2012, the Volt gets a full national rollout, and GM has plans to build about 60,000 of them.

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f81/chevy-volt-plant-prepares-60-000-units-2012-a-103052/
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
05:12 PM on 10/26/2011
HP had an article last Summer about GM selling more cars in China than in the US. I heard that there are more American cars sold in China than Japanese cars.
American automakers also sell a lot of diesel vehicles in other countries.
7-passenger diesel vans that get 40 mpg town/70 mph highway.
Gasoline-powered vehicles are about the least efficient and most costly over time vehicles a person could buy.
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NWBrunette
Blessed Girl
01:48 PM on 10/26/2011
I can't wait to get one!
01:35 PM on 10/26/2011
A few problems that always seem to be ignored in the discussion:
1. Current hiway taxes on motor fuels will need to be transferred to electric vehicles to offset the loss in gov. revenues. This will negate a portion of the cost savings.
2. Those charging stations are potential profit centers for whoever installs them, and you can bet that they won't just pass on the cost of the electricity w/o a sizeable markup.
3. Charging a battery takes a long time. Don't think you can just pull into a charging station and leave 5 minutes later with a fully charged battery like you can now using gasoline.
4. Batteries are expensive, and the more high-tech they are, the more expensive they are. They need to be replaced and recycled every 5 years or so. The cost of that replacement and recycling is not usually calculated into the cost per mile totals.
So, while at first glance it looks like electric vehicles are way cheaper to operate per mile than gas vehicles, that just ain't necessarily so in the real world.
01:52 PM on 10/26/2011
1. Some states have started to address this, but so far the amounts discussed are very reasonable - an extra $100 added to vehicle plates, for example. They'll be taxing gas cars for a long time before EV owners will finally be tapped.

2. At the moment, pretty much all chargers being installed today are at retail outlets - Walgreen, Best Buy, Meijer, Ikea, and CostCo so far. And charging at those stores is free. Electricity is literally cheap enough to give away for free, to get customers. This is the best solution. I personally take my Volt to my local Meijer for all my shopping, and fill my "tank" for free.

3. Fast charging is already here - some of those free chargers going in right now support level three DC charging - which can charge a Nissan Leaf in under 30 minutes. Nissan recently demonstrated 10-minute fast charging. And Proterra (electric bus company) has 5-minute charging right now. Fast charging will become much more common in the next few years.

4. 5-year battery lifespans are from the lead-acid era - 100 year old technology. All new battery technology is expected to last well over 100,000 miles. A few battery types can even last 20 to 40 years if not heavily used.
05:33 PM on 10/26/2011
The operative phrase in your post is 'so far'. Gov will give elec vehicles a pass for a while just to help sales, but when they get more and more popular, you can expect those subsidies to vanish. California has just eliminated some of the 'perks' they gave out to earlier low-emission vehicles - such as the rigth to drive in the HOV lanes - because now too many vehicles qualify.

Same with the free charging stations. Once they beome ubiquitous, stores won't be able to use them to attract business, so someone will have to pay the costs of installation and maintenance and the electricity. Expect to do a credit card swipe on every one if you want to charge up.

30 minutes to charge may be OK if you're shopping or at work, but a pain in the butt if you're driving home after a day of running errands and need more electrons to make it home. Five minutes I'm good with. What does that do to battery life, though? Most batteries can't take that kind of current w/o getting very hot.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
02:02 PM on 10/26/2011
A few problems with your post:
1) Yes, people have to pay taxes, one of life's unavoidable things. Electricity is still cheaper than gasoline, even after taxes.
2) A lot of the chargers out now are actually free. The ones that do charge will have to compete with other chargers and with home charging, so they won't be able to gouge too much.
3) The fast chargers can do an 80% charge in 30 minutes. Home charging takes overnight but it is great since you start every day with a full charge. Ever hop into the car in the morning, running late for something important and realize you have to stop for gas?
4) The battery in the Nissan Leaf is warranted for 96 months/100,000 miles. Much longer than 5 years.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
03:01 PM on 10/26/2011
Gasoline has always been a waste product. Gasoline was not invented to fill a need. Gasoline is the leftover after profitable products are made. Most refineries make about a nickel per gallon of gasoline. Most gas stations lose money if you only buy gasoline and don't come in and purchase a profitable item. Gasoline purchasers are actually subsidizing the OTR transportation industry.
It is hard to wean ourselves off of it. According to government studies, the average driver wastes 25-40% of the gasoline they purchase.
As illustrated in the article, we aren't buying a mode of transportation, we are buying an entertainment system when purchasing a vehicle.
Most electric vehicles are built to mimic gasoline-powered vehicles.
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Brett y
Patriotically Independent
12:42 PM on 10/26/2011
Hmm...

First thought is: About time!

Second thought: How much coal is/ will be required to create more electricity to "fuel" this new fleet of cars? Will our home heating costs now be competing with mobilization much like certain grain crops that are being turned into ethanol?
12:51 PM on 10/26/2011
No new coal is required. Coal plants already run full tilt, they always have. As grid load has increased, other plants have made up the slack. Coal on the grid is already down to 45%.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2008_US_electricity_generation_by_source_v2.png

You can't turn something up higher when it's already running as fast as it can. Coal pollution won't increase, as long as the current trend away from coal continues.

And no new powerplants will be needed for a while, since EVs charge mainly off-peak.
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CTDFalconer
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01:35 PM on 11/03/2011
The primary advantage to moving to an electric transporta­tion fleet is that it decouples it from petroleum, freeing us up to get our transporta­tion energy from the most effective and efficient sources, whatever those end up being. The energy economy of the future will not be just one primary source as it is now with fossil fuels for most energy, supplement­ed with hydro, nuclear and some emerging sources. With electric cars, we buy freedom from oil.
12:11 PM on 10/26/2011
The electric car was definitely m u r d e r e d, but it was resurrected.  Machines can do that.
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ontariogirl
Power to the People
12:14 PM on 10/26/2011
Transformers.
12:08 PM on 10/26/2011
Parking lot owners can make lots of money by putting charging meters on their parking spots. They can make even more money by investing in solar panels, making solar panel roofs over every parking spot, and selling the electricity to drivers.
12:07 PM on 10/26/2011
I've already started seeing charging meters around downtown DC. Electric cars are becoming more popular, and they will continue to do so as long as more cities put charging meters on the street.