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Rick Scott's Welfare Drug Test Saves No Money: Judge


First Posted: 10/26/11 04:07 PM ET Updated: 12/25/11 05:12 AM ET

Republican lawmakers in several states have expressed interest in copying Florida's law that drug tests welfare recipients in an attempt to save money. But the federal judge who halted the scheme Monday on constitutional grounds ridiculed a conservative think tank's estimate of the law's savings.

"Though the State offers, as evidence of the cost savings, a pamphlet from the Foundation for Government Accountability," U.S. District Judge Mary Scriven wrote in her order, "the data contained in the pamphlet is not competent expert opinion, nor is it offered as such, nor could it be reasonably construed as such."

The Sept. 14 pamphlet said the new law, which took effect in July, had already saved the state nearly $1 million. While only nine people actually flunked the test in the program's first two months, 565 went through every step of the application process but were denied benefits because they declined to take the test. If each such "drug-related denial" saved the state $1,600 in welfare costs for that applicant, that comes to roughly $923,000 in annual savings, according to the Foundation's arithmetic.

But there's no reason to assume each person who declined to take the test did so in fear of a positive result, Scriven wrote. Since the law required applicants to pay for their own tests, what if some of them couldn't afford the $30 cost? What if some of them considered it a violation of their rights?

And about that arithmetic: "These 'non-testers' cannot be reasonably counted as providing twelve months of savings, or so-called 'annualized savings,' because they are otherwise eligible and can begin receiving benefits at any point during the year by submitting a new application and a negative drug test," Scriven wrote. "Even as to those 2 percent of applicants who are known drug users, 'annualized savings' calculations inflate the claimed savings because those applicants do not have to forego an entire year of TANF assistance but may reapply after 6 months."

Scriven concluded the state "has not demonstrated any financial benefit or net savings will accrue as a result" of the law.

Tarren Bragdon, director of the Florida-based Foundation for Government Accountability and author of the report, has major beef with Scriven's characterization of his work.

"I just think judge Scriven's opinion clearly reflects her disdain for welfare accountability," Bragdon told HuffPost. "Throughout my entire public policy career, I've never come across Judge Scriven's name on any article, study, or report on welfare. So my question for her is, what credentials does she have to question my competency as a researcher?"

Though Bragdon's reports strongly imply applicants who decline to take drug tests do so because they're on drugs, he acknowledged in an interview there's really no way to know: "Obviously you can't determine what is the reason somebody doesn't take a test."

Another reason not to extrapolate annual savings from skipped drug tests is that the average welfare recipient receives money for just 4.5 months, according to the state Department of Children and Families. The shorter duration is reflected in Bragdon's most recent report, which also includes a more accurate per-month benefit of $250 instead of $130. The report says the law "has led to a dramatic 48 percent drop in monthly approvals, an overall drug-related denial rate of 19 percent, and almost $1.8 million in savings to taxpayers."

Bragdon's report says the state has only paid out $57,000 in reimbursements to applicants who passed the test, even though more than 7,000 people have done so. If each is repaid as they're supposed to be, reimbursements should run roughly $210,000. Previous back-of-the-envelope estimates have suggested the program's reimbursement costs could nearly outstrip its savings.

Just 2.5 percent of welfare applicants had dirty urine during the brief lifespan of Florida's drug screening program -- a lower rate of drug use than for the general population. Regardless, more than two dozen other states are considering similar proposals for welfare and other government benefits.

Oklahoma state lawmakers pushing welfare drug tests specifically cited Bragdon's analysis, calling Florida's initiative "a huge success in just its first two months." Bragdon said he's heard from legislators in Rhode Island and Arizona as well.

A spokesman for Florida Gov. Rick Scott (R), a strong proponent of the drug tests, did not respond to a request for comment.

A Scott spokesman previously told HuffPost that saving money was secondary to making sure welfare dollars benefited children and not drug users.

Arthur Delaney is the author of "A People's History of the Great Recession," HuffPost's first e-book.

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Republican lawmakers in several states have expressed interest in copying Florida's law that drug tests welfare recipients in an attempt to save money. But the federal judge who halted the scheme Mond...
Republican lawmakers in several states have expressed interest in copying Florida's law that drug tests welfare recipients in an attempt to save money. But the federal judge who halted the scheme Mond...
Republican lawmakers in several states have expressed interest in copying Florida's law that drug tests welfare recipients in an attempt to save money. But the federal judge who halted the scheme Mond...
Republican lawmakers in several states have expressed interest in copying Florida's law that drug tests welfare recipients in an attempt to save money. But the federal judge who halted the scheme Mond...
 
 
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02:00 PM on 11/08/2011
I'm find with drug testing those on welfare, just as long as we can audit those that get a Bush tax cut.
CognitoErgoSum
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02:42 AM on 11/05/2011
Thankfully, the judge ruled the law was unconstitutional. Mandating a drug test is unreasonable search and seizure, since being unemployed and needy is not probable cause to suspect drug use. Add ing insult to injury was the mandate that the applicants pay for the privilege of having their civil rights violated, even if they were reimbursed.

Such laws are the machinations of GOP pols to divert attention from the policy issues that led to OWS and try to pass off our difficulties as the fault of the poor, the unemployed, firefighters, police officers, teachers and other public employees.
04:03 PM on 11/27/2011
search and seizure? To obtain a job most people need to take a drug test. Why is it that those, who do not work recieve money without having to take one? I know multiple people who sell their food stamps to get cigs,alcohol,etc. It pisses me off. The drug tests may be expensive, 30 bucks a pop, but long term it saves so much money. The rate of those applying for welfare has declined. Clearly it's because they can't pass a drug test.
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Jeremy Echols
12:33 PM on 10/28/2011
What's great about drug testing like this is that it really stops the most dangerous people in our society: POTHEADS.

Pot can stay in your system for weeks, unlike those safer drugs like heroin, meth, and coke. So we're able to keep potheads off welfare, while the other drug users can just wait a few days and test clean!

If the goal of the law is to stop hippies on welfare, then I say BRAVO, SIRS.
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MarvinM
Where's the Ka-Boom?
04:11 PM on 10/27/2011
The point of my pointing out Bragdon’s connections and past is because it highly suggests that not only is anything written out of that agency likely to be not just highly suspect but downright wrong and pure propaganda. Also, there is no reason to think that team will not try the same kind of shenanigans as they did in Maine - which they did not always get away with.

There was Tarren’s use of the state employee e-mail data base while on Gov. LePage’s transition team to try to fundraise for the Maine Heritage Policy Center, then there was his groups like the More Green Now really acting like ‘policy PACS’ (who are supposed to disclose their donations and donors) but they did not disclose - that one they did not win.

Now, none of this may be either damning or even unusual, but so far, there is only one group saying this drug testing thing saves money, and that organization and the people involved with it do not have a history of being non-partisan and impartial, much less factually correct.
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MarvinM
Where's the Ka-Boom?
04:10 PM on 10/27/2011
There's only one voice saying this has saved FL money - Tarren Bragdon/Foundation for Government Accountability.

FGA original filing received 6/27/2011 - 4 months ago:

http://sunbiz.org/pdf/09116268.pdf

Official Incorporation Paperwork naming directors/registered agent, addresses/phone numbers:

http://sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=N11000006135&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=FOUNDATIONFORGOVERNMENT&names_filing_type=

We know his last gig was head honcho of Maine Heritage Policy Center. But fewer know about the groups Maine Leads, More Green Now PAC, Health Care Choices NOW PAC and TABOR NOW PAC.

Take a look at page 42 of this - a terrific chart showing you who was involved/headed these groups. Names include Trevor Bragdon (Tarren’s brother), Roy Lenardson, and Chris Cinquemani.

That document is from a court case. I’ll go into the details of what was going on later, I just want to connect Bragdon with the names because they are now all here in Florida!

Here’s the filing for More Green Now: http://www.mainepolitics.net/sites/default/files/MGN_PAC_reg.pdf

What a coincidence. Roy Lenardson lives in Ave Maria FL, same place Bragdon moved to.

Now, about that Cinquemani guy ... just found out today, when I went to the FGA website, he’s the new FGA VP!

http://www.floridafga.org/2011/10/press-release-foundation-for-government-accountability-selects-vice-president/

morelater/exceedingwordlimit
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MarvinM
Where's the Ka-Boom?
04:19 PM on 10/27/2011
“Take a look at page 42 of this - a terrific chart showing you who was involved/h­eaded these groups. Names include Trevor Bragdon (Tarren’s brother), Roy Lenardson, and Chris Cinquemani­.”

Hard to do that if I don’t supply the link!

Sorry!

http://www.state.me.us/ethics/pdf/meetings/20090908/item03.pdf

Page 42 has got the chart, although the letter at the end is a good read too.
04:04 PM on 10/27/2011
Wow. I guess his wife will sell her stock in the drug testing company.
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woody7
Always a Dem, but..............
04:02 PM on 10/27/2011
Damn activist judges.........................She was nominated by GW Bush.....................spin this Republicans...............................................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Stenson_Scriven
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Horus45
Liberal Activist, anti-Fascist
01:55 PM on 10/27/2011
This law was never about whether a welfare recipient was on drugs.
This was solely for the sale of the drug tests themselves and nothing more.
Little Rickey has a major stake in the company that makes the test kits.
He would have gotten very wealthy from this law.
01:51 PM on 10/27/2011
Who cares if it doesn't save money. Welfare/social programs don't reduce crime or improve peoples lives- but the left wants to keep them going.
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Horus45
Liberal Activist, anti-Fascist
01:58 PM on 10/27/2011
What does someone who has no money and no place to live do to survive?
They resort to crime. Social programs reduce crime.
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woody7
Always a Dem, but..............
04:03 PM on 10/27/2011
please cite your facts
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choco1996
tucson Az
01:38 PM on 10/27/2011
another unconstitutional foray shot down, most have been, remember these people who are pushing these things defend the constitution and less govt..it is laughable, they want to be in your personal life like never before..very weird..think they are more voyeurs,than law makers
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Horus45
Liberal Activist, anti-Fascist
01:59 PM on 10/27/2011
Well they did take donors to a lesbian themed voyeur type night club, back a couple years ago.
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MyAhaMoment
Mississippi Liberal: a rare breed, indeed!
01:37 PM on 10/27/2011
assuming that people who refuse to take the drug test are all drug users

is akin to saying

all airline passengers who refuse to step through the xray scanner are terrorists.
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Karma2U
Blessed are the Peacemakers
01:28 PM on 10/27/2011
Now we need to get somebody to stop him from his plan to take away Floridian's voting rights.
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Daniel Zook
Just an observant Millenial.
01:44 PM on 10/27/2011
Anything we say would just be reflected back from Scott's polished head.
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Jced
I'd love to kiss ya...but, I just washed my hair!!
01:18 PM on 10/27/2011
Gosh, I just can't wait 'til we are rid of Governor Voldermort! He is such an embarrassment!!! Talk about the "Poster Boy" for political corruption!
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westronandnan
12:59 PM on 10/27/2011
If Rick Scott continues with his current polices they'll have to hire pallbearers when he dies.
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cdecisneros
my micro bio is empty because I went to the micro
12:50 PM on 10/27/2011
And his 3% ripoff of government workers retirement is being challeged also.