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Alabama Lawmaker: Undocumented Immigrants Don't Have To Go Home, But They Can't Stay There

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First Posted: 10/27/11 05:48 PM ET Updated: 12/27/11 05:12 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- Alabama immigration law H.B. 56 is driving undocumented immigrants out of the state, leaving jobs empty and some farms unable to harvest their crops. Most aren't leaving the country, though -- and an Alabama lawmaker says that's fine with him.

Self-deportation from Alabama -- whatever the final destination -- was the goal of the bill, rather than expanding deportation or lowering the amount of undocumented immigrants in the country, Alabama state Sen. Scott Beason told The Birmingham News in a Thursday article.

"It takes away the attractiveness and the things that draw an illegal workforce and it's beginning to have a reduction in the number of people coming here," Beason, a sponsor of the bill, said. "It was not designed to go out and arrest tremendous numbers of people. Most folks in the state illegally will self-deport and move to states that are supportive of large numbers of illegals coming to their state. We were not putting together a deportation scheme."

When Alabama lawmakers passed the law in June, another chief sponsor of the bill said it would be a "jobs-creation bill for Americans," but emphasized its potential positive effects for Alabama specifically.

"We really want to prevent illegal immigrants from coming to Alabama and to prevent those who are here from putting down roots," Republican state Rep. Micky Hammon said.

But driving undocumented immigrants out of the state is not a real solution for the number of unauthorized immigrants in the country generally. It won't help deportation rates, either; the Obama administration sued Alabama to block the law, and federal immigration officials have said they will not assist in enforcement of the law by devoting more resources to deportations from Alabama.

In Arizona, where the federal government sued to block S.B. 1070, a similar law, supporters have also said they want to drive undocumented immigrants out of the state, whether to their native countries or other parts of the United States.

"Our intention is to make Arizona a very uncomfortable place for them to be so they leave or never come here in the first place," Republican state Rep. John Kavanagh, a supporter of the bill, told The Arizona Republic after the S.B. 1070 was signed into law. "So, rather than massive deportations, we are basically going to encourage them to leave on their own."

Critics of the state anti-undocumented immigration bills say such statements of support show that the laws are not serious attempts to quell unauthorized immigration, and instead prove the necessity of a federal approach to the issue.

"All of the sponsors of these bills, from [Arizona Republican Governor] Jan Brewer on, have effectively acknowledged that these state initiatives are not meaningful, lasting solutions to the problem of undocumented immigration," said Marshall Fitz, Director of Immigration Policy at Center for American Progress, a progressive organization that has been critical of the Alabama and Arizona laws. "It really shines a spotlight on how important it is for the federal government to step in sooner rather than later, because even states that have gone as far as enacting these measures are acknowledging that they're not solving the problem."

The Center for American Progress reported in March that Arizona would suffer economically for losing its undocumented immigrant population, while states more accepting of unauthorized immigrants could strengthen their economies.

"If they want to make economic winners out of the states that are welcoming and receiving immigrants, then I guess that's their prerogative," Fitz said. "But I doubt that's good for their citizenry."

But supporters of the laws argue that if similar measures were implemented nationwide, they could come close to ending undocumented immigration entirely.

"Our view is that if we had policies like that in place on a national basis, that many, if not most, of the illegal aliens would choose to leave on their own," said Ira Mehlman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which supports the Alabama and Arizona laws. "We have seen in Alabama, we have seen in Arizona ... that Illegal aliens react very rationally, they decide, 'look, this is not going to work, it's time to go elsewhere.'"

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WASHINGTON -- Alabama immigration law H.B. 56 is driving undocumented immigrants out of the state, leaving jobs empty and some farms unable to harvest their crops. Most aren't leaving the country, tho...
WASHINGTON -- Alabama immigration law H.B. 56 is driving undocumented immigrants out of the state, leaving jobs empty and some farms unable to harvest their crops. Most aren't leaving the country, tho...
 
 
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
02:45 PM on 10/31/2011
What, is it closing time?
MA2AW
Anti-Obama on everything
05:54 PM on 10/29/2011
I want to thank you Alabama. About time the states in this country are willing to lead in reform. AZ, I'm proud of you as well. Keep it up.
05:24 PM on 10/29/2011
Glad they are not headed to my AZ. :d

Soon NY will be feeding their children breakfast while trying to teach them English. Hope their vaccinations are up to date.
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NJBill
I didn't build that!
05:22 PM on 10/29/2011
I love this "undocumented immigrants" and "undocumented workers"
Try driving a car without a license and see if you get out of a large fine by telling the cop you are an "undocumented driver"
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
10:03 AM on 10/30/2011
On the flip side ~

Three States do grant valid Driver's Licenses to illegals

Over a half a million illegals ~ legal to drive the streets & highways in ALL 50 States, since 2001.

And ~ to register to vote AND vote, , , , , over 500,000 happy illegals in the USA ~ unauthorized
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joanrimart
Einstein was a member of the NAACP
04:15 PM on 10/29/2011
One of the signs of decay in any empire is when it begins to fight the smaller and the weakest in its midst. Rome did it, Hitler's third Reich did it, and most other empires have done it. The reason? Scapegoating, the oldest excuse in the world to turn on someone for reasons of expediency.
Other symptoms of decay are the criminalization of poverty and dark skin color. And that is exactly what is happening all over this land of the free and home of the brave...
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Mark Lindley
06:07 PM on 10/29/2011
What nonsense! These people in our midst are illegal aliens. That's a whole difference ball of wax when you speak of history. There is no criminalization of poverty or skin color either. Are you still living back in 1950 Selma, Alabama? We have many Hispanic-Americans living among us with brown skin. No one has a problem with that. It is those who are here illegally and it doesn't matter what their skin color is. Stop the race baiting.
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joanrimart
Einstein was a member of the NAACP
06:48 PM on 11/03/2011
Remember this next time you go to the supermarket to buy fruits or vegetables. If you are a cop in AZ or AL and see a dark-skinned person the law tells you to ask for the documents...just as the Nazis used to do with those who "looked" Jewish. Those 'illegals' you call are picking your produce, mowing your lawns and cleaning your toilets for a salary of hunger. Instead of scapegoting them why don't you complain to the big agricultural, home building corporations and janitorial firms that employ them? Why don't you go complaining to Monsanto, instead of blaming the least among us? When you see those torn families in AL, does it remind you of the land of opportunity BS?
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lqw
Justmyopinion
09:29 AM on 10/30/2011
What part of illegal don't you understand ?
03:32 PM on 10/29/2011
Lolabama.
01:58 PM on 10/29/2011
The 2012 Olympic committee has just announced that Mexico will not be sending a team to the Summer Olympics. Reason being all of their fastest runners and swimmers are in the USA..
12:09 PM on 10/31/2011
*insert rimshot here*
01:49 PM on 10/29/2011
Alabama state Sen. Scott Beason .. Why the heck are you not running for president... every election they keep giving us the worst ticket they can.. 2012 will be no different.. Obama -v- Cain? Dumb -v- Dumber.. Good job saving your State Alabama state Sen. Scott Beason..
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Scytherius
Justice for Trayvon
11:47 AM on 10/29/2011
We are coming. We are legion. And we will remember who did this to us.
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Elecktra001
PC assassin
12:37 PM on 10/29/2011
Your reference to "legion," from the Gospel of Luke, refers to demons. Your culture was based on ritualhumansacrifice and eating rode nts, with slavery here and there. Perhaps, in addition to E-Verify, we need an exorcist.
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Picosa
dedicated to FACTS & TRUTH
01:13 PM on 10/29/2011
At a time when Europe was infested with pleagues because buckets of human waste was pitched into rat infested streets and bathes were avoided.

Tenochtitlan is remembered with awe and many people are still curious about it until today. The first Europeans who came to this city probably couldn’t believe what they saw with their eyes when they first saw this place. Rock monuments, stone buildings and causeways littered the sprawling city. And what’s more, the buildings that these Europeans saw literally looked like they rose from the water. There are also well built dams around the city which protect this flouring city from floods. Here’s an in depth glimpse to this beautiful ancient city called Tenochtitlan, that the Aztec people called their home.

Tenochtitlan grew into a big and beautiful city and at the same time, the population and the power of the Aztecs grew too. The city of Tenochtitlan was undoubtedly one of the most organized and cleanest cities to be found.

Aztec education was an important part of their culture. The Aztecs were very advanced scientific thinkers and mathematicians. The Aztec number system was far more advanced than other cultures at the time.

The Aztecs were also advanced in the development of medicineThis spectacular area of Aztec technology has been recorded in the Badianus Manuscript, which was created by Aztec artists in 1552.
http://www.aztec-history.net/tenochtitlan
http://www.aztec-indians.com/aztec-technology.html
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Tony Sanchez
12:03 AM on 10/30/2011
We are the providers of care to your parents, children,neighbors. Not all of us toil in the fields.
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TggerJen
Protect at snowleopard.org
11:20 AM on 11/02/2011
They mostly do not work in the fields - they mostly take jobs that Americans want and need and they freeload off our tax base while undermining it. It's time to cut off the jobs, services and freebies they come to mooch off of so they'll mostly self-deport. Then we'll have plenty of resources to identify, detain and deport the rest.
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queenietoo
is making it happen
10:13 AM on 10/29/2011
Bush did this trying to hurt Americans by bringing in outside help to take the jobs from Americans and shipping the rest over seas, karma is a mess ain't it
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Mark Lindley
08:02 PM on 10/29/2011
I would suggest that anyone who thinks the U.S. is nothing but evil, greedy and basically hates this country.....leave! We don't need haters in our country. The U.S. isn't perfect but overall we are the most generous and accepting country in the world aka allowing in over 1 million legal immigrants a year and donating billions across the world. Yes, leave please!
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queenietoo
is making it happen
10:23 PM on 10/29/2011
“I would suggest that anyone who thinks the U.S. is nothing but evil, greedy and basically hates this country...­..leave!" so what your saying is that America is evil and greedy Mark? because what I'm saying is America needs to take care of home first and then worry about the next Country and their people, We have hard working Americans working their self to death trying to make ends meet who's taking care of them? can you help them? can you help those Americans that lost their jobs? can you help Americans that had insurance before they lose their jobs or the ones who are working and can't afford insurance see a doctor? Will you help Americans that had jobs send their American kids off the college? until America does right by all Americans not some but I mean all then guess what Karma will always be here it's not fazed by your comments.
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TggerJen
Protect at snowleopard.org
11:14 AM on 11/02/2011
What did Bush have to do with this mess? He screwed up plenty, but these problems date back to long before he added his damage. And Obama is doing more damage than Bush did because Bush finally stopped promising amnesty; every promise of amnesty keeps people here illegally who should self-deport and invites more to come illegally to get in on the freebies.
Obama Karma is a mess, but we're trying to keep it from getting worse so we can get it cleaned up.
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queenietoo
is making it happen
05:39 PM on 11/02/2011
Bush carbon footprint is still like run off from a pigs farm that is running into the river that leads to the happy campers swimming on the beaches in America which is making the campers sick.
07:52 AM on 10/29/2011
This is a good thing.

Once Alabama removes all the broken-English speaking, uneducated, and unskilled immigrant workers, broken-English speaking, uneducated and unskilled native Alabamans won't have to compete against them in the workforce
03:33 PM on 10/29/2011
I heard companines in India are starting to ship jobs overseas to Alabama.
06:56 PM on 10/28/2011
I bet if we cut welfare and unemployment we would have plenty of Americans to do those jobs....
08:26 PM on 10/28/2011
Don't bet all of your money.
07:53 AM on 10/29/2011
Sure

All those dead Americans who have starved to death due to having no income and social safety net will be more than happy to find work.
09:37 AM on 10/29/2011
why would they think the taxpayers should support them? end generational welfare
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No More Left
The end of a mistake in 2012
10:32 AM on 10/29/2011
If they don't want to be responsible and take care of themselves then yes, they can die. How many other Countries take care of lazy people?
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
05:29 PM on 10/28/2011
Since 11.2 million illegals, refuse Naturalized U.S. Citizenship

Time to take U.S. Citizenship to Mexcio & make it the USA's 51st State ~ consider the benefits

Mexico ~ 11th richest economy of 193 nations in the world
Mexico ~ 7th largest producer of barrel oil in the world
Mexico ~ largest producer of Silver in the world
Mexico ~ June 2011, Unemployment Rate of 5.45%
Mexico ~ southern border with Guatemala only 550 miles long, instead of 1,956 miles
............... existing USA border, Mexico is already building a border fence there
Mexico ~ largest drug producer / exporter in the world
Mexico ~ once acquired, legalize Marijuana & tax it for a profit ~ no need for drug cartels
Mexico ~ already sold 1/2 of Mexico the U.S. Gov't in two separate land sales
. . . . . . 1848 ~ Guadalupe-Hidalgo Treaty ~ $15 million USD
. . . . . . 1853 ~ Gadsden Purchase ~ $10 million USD
Mexico ~ 95% of Mexican Nationals want FREE USA social benefits & rights of U.S. Citizenship
Mexico ~ 110 million Mexicans are accustomed to $4.64 USD daily minimum wage.
Mexico ~ 30% of all Mexican-born Nationals already live in the USA.
No longer a need for 7.5 million illegal Mexican Nationals working in the USA ~ illegally, to send $21 billion USD ANNUALLY out of the U.S. Economy.
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looneydoone
not a "cookie"
01:57 PM on 10/29/2011
and I mean "your nuts" not you're nuts
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
10:06 AM on 10/30/2011
Typical of pro-illegals ~

When you can't dispute the logical facts ~ resort to emotional name calling
03:37 PM on 10/29/2011
The Us already took half of Mexico. You want to take the other half that you so frothingly despise?
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Mark Lindley
06:12 PM on 10/29/2011
The U.S. did not "take" half of Mexico. They paid 15 million dollars for it. To my knowledge we have no desire to bargain for what is left of Mexico today and Mexico isn't obligated to sell it. Nor do we have any intention of warring for it. The reconquistas want to take back land that was already sold though without paying for it.
05:00 PM on 10/28/2011
It's Alabama...he's doing them a favor.
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JShankel
I want my country forward
03:33 PM on 10/28/2011
Okay, to everyone saying "only 4% of illegals work in agriculture," once again: it does not matter to this story what percentage of immigrants work in agriculture...it matters what percentage of agricultural workers are immigrants. If only 4% of Americans join the military, we'd still have a massive problem if recruitment dropped to 0. Even if only 0.001% of a given population work in a vital sector that depends on them, then eliminating that workforce will cause that sector to fail. Alabama's unemployment rate is at 9%. The fields are filled with food that's on the verge of going bad. A skilled agricultural worker can make $100-$200/day picking tomatoes. That's way above the minimum wage. So? What's the big hold up? Get picking.
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hburns1351
I'm too old to be diplomatic
04:01 PM on 10/28/2011
What percentage of the unemployed have experience picking tomatoes?
08:28 PM on 10/28/2011
0%, otherwise they are not unemployed.
09:38 AM on 10/29/2011
seems easy enough to train..... cut their benefits and make them work the fields
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Mark Lindley
04:57 PM on 10/28/2011
Most Americans can't or don't want to pick crops for a living. Many live in urban areas, not rural ones. The body can only take so many years of that kind of work. Why aren't you suggesting that the farmers use the unlimited visas for agricultural workers instead?
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JShankel
I want my country forward
05:43 PM on 10/28/2011
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm working with the premise of the people who supported this law. Alabama can have all the unlimited visas they want, but if their laws are scaring LEGAL immigrants out of your state, well, then the choice is either Americans start learning how to pick things up off the ground all by themselves or maybe just possibly Alabama might want to consider other ways of attracting people who can.