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Four GOP Presidential Candidates Call For Diminished Federal Role In Schools


First Posted: 10/27/2011 10:55 pm Updated: 03/ 9/2012 3:25 pm

NEW YORK -- The desire for a lighter federal hand in the nation's schools ruled the discussions at an education forum Thursday night with four of the GOP presidential hopefuls.

"I believe that the federal role should be minimized but the local role should be maximized," former Godfather's Pizza CEO Herman Cain said to open up the candidates' discussions. "The federal government," he continued, "has a responsibility as far as keeping standards but not imposing standards at the local level."

Cain voiced his views at the Education and Election 2012 Presidential Forum, hosted by the College Board and News Corporation at the New York Hilton. While all of the GOP candidates were invited to participate, only former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum attended in person, with Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Cain speaking via satellite.

"There's very little discussion of this issue," said Joel Klein, former New York City schools chancellor and News Corp. education chief, referring to a lack of education discussions in recent GOP presidential debates. Klein moderated the discussion along with Paul Gigot, editor of the Wall Street Journal's editorial page. The format allowed for opening statements and discussions with Klein and Gigot, but did not allow for debate among the candidates.

It became clear that a GOP presidential win from one of the four candidates at the forum would likely mean a winding down of an era of increased federal regulations for schools and education dollars, as well as a rise in support for school voucher programs. But while the candidates disagreed with what they saw as the Obama administration's heavy hand in schools, most agreed with Obama that important methods for improving education include increasing the number of charter schools and judging teachers based on merit, instead of experience.

Cain spoke first, saying that his education policy would target teachers, parental engagement and educational institutions. "Over the past couple of decades, we have lost some ground. And that suggests that we need to do some things differently," he said, speaking from Arkansas.

Like U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, Cain said he is an advocate of paying teachers for higher performance, but did not weigh in on the hotly-debated topic of how school districts should define teacher quality. "We need to review this whole seniority system," Cain said, referring to the basis for promoting and paying teachers based on experience instead of merit.

Charter schools, he added, engender competition, which "makes things better."

When Gigot pressed Cain on the viability of leaving management decisions -- such as the setting of academic standards -- up to states, Cain said that while a minimal federal role runs the risk of leaving some states behind, competition would ultimately level the field. "If a state continues to deteriorate in terms of its educational performance ... the forces of competition over time will cause them to make changes," he said. He added that his peers' cries for the abolition of the federal Department of Education are "premature."

Santorum also stressed a minimal federal role in education, saying more control should be shifted into the hands of parents. While he said that compulsory K-12 schooling should not be eliminated, he advocated for home schooling.

Too often, Santorum added, the education debate's fixation on exam performance means that moral development loses out. "Education ... is also about holding the moral imagination of our children, teaching them the virtue and the values that are important," he said. He bashed the No Child Left Behind Act's focus on testing as only a "piece of what education is supposed to be about." According to Santorum's education materials, "NCLB should be repealed along with other federal programs, with the exception of funding for special needs children." Federal education money, he says, should be distributed by block grants instead of attached to specific regulations like NCLB.

Bachmann spoke via satellite, describing raising foster children and her involvement in education in Minnesota, which included starting a charter school there. (According to a New Yorker profile by Ryan Lizza, however, Bachmann's charter school floundered before she left its board).

Bachmann called for an end to the Department of Education, saying the agency has ballooned and that its money would better serve children in the hands of states and school districts. She also took on NCLB, saying, "It was a well-intentioned law but .. the federal government essentially took over control of the local schools."

Gingrich's education platform most closely echoed that of the Obama administration. He explicitly praised Duncan's work, recounting a trip he took to visit schools to promote Race to the Top with Duncan and Rev. Al Sharpton. But the extension of Duncan's work yielded a "gradual movement toward national standards," Gingrich said, criticizing a lack of customization of education for individual students. "Everything conservatives have historically feared ... inch by inch starts to show up."

Education, Gingrich said, has become mired in bureaucracy between teacher education schools, government programs and teachers' unions. Large educational institutions, he said, stifle innovation. In his eyes, the Department of Education should only be in charge of research.

Speaking to reporters after the event, Gingrich reviewed Obama's education record. "Having charter schools was very good," he said. "But I think they have been consistently unwilling to take on the teachers' unions and they have consistently flinched about really being serious about taking them on, and that's unfortunate."

"Taking on the teachers' unions," he continued, amounts to "insisting on charter schools, insisting on school choice, insisting on merit pay, insisting on accountability, things that are very practical .. It's been very hard for them [Obama and Duncan] to be willing to really have the kind of direct disagreement with the unions that would be necessary to get merit back into the system and to get children placed first rather than the union members."

But charter schools and paying teachers based on merit have yielded mixed results. When asked about his support for these tactics given the murky research, Gingrich responded, "To suggest that merit pay doesn't work would be to reject everything we know about the rest of America."

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NEW YORK -- The desire for a lighter federal hand in the nation's schools ruled the discussions at an education forum Thursday night with four of the GOP presidential hopefuls. "I believe that the ...
NEW YORK -- The desire for a lighter federal hand in the nation's schools ruled the discussions at an education forum Thursday night with four of the GOP presidential hopefuls. "I believe that the ...
NEW YORK -- The desire for a lighter federal hand in the nation's schools ruled the discussions at an education forum Thursday night with four of the GOP presidential hopefuls. "I believe that the ...
NEW YORK -- The desire for a lighter federal hand in the nation's schools ruled the discussions at an education forum Thursday night with four of the GOP presidential hopefuls. "I believe that the ...
 
 
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08:07 PM on 11/24/2011
Get government out of education is what all the reubs should be saying. Our educational system is another form of socialism. College students who need remedial readin' and math education, by gawsh? Forget national standards. never mind that. Our high school students perform at lower levels than students from other developed nations or even countries like Bulgaria, South Korea, Singapore and Malaysia.
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01:34 PM on 11/23/2011
One more thing if you want religion in school start a parochial school. If you want sex education in school start a sex counseling business. Teach the kids the basics - math reading and writing in English sciences history and government. Get the extraneous stuff out of the school. Sports and band and other activities only if the meet grade standards of B or above.
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01:29 PM on 11/23/2011
This may simplistic, but I would like to see an education sytem that can turn out idividuals who can work in a business and make change without the help of a teleprompter. Have you seen those? They show the picture of the types of coins to give as change. The poor uneducated kids who can't receive a $20 bill and 55 cents change to pay for a $15 dollar and 55 cents meal and give me back a $5 dollar bill without the aid of a tv screen makes me wonder if the education system even exists. And that stupid No child left behind program needs to go. Put the brightest kids in the hardest classes and prep them for college. The kids that want to make trouble and attack teachers need to be kicked out. The world will always need ditch diggers. Give As and Fs as they earn them and bust their butts for an hour in gym class. A solid civics course would be good too. Do away with tenure. If you are a good teacher you will stay employed. Do away with last hired first fired unions. Keep the best and fire the slackers. No one should stay employed because the union wants their dues. Get rid of the government standards. Let the states define them. And don't care if they have 50 different standards. The best ones will win out in the marketplace.
11:36 PM on 11/22/2011
Santorum comes the closet to telling it like it is: "fixation on exam performance means that moral development loses out."
The "moral development" is of course prayer and Christian morals in all schools of the future.
Is there any other reason why we see an agenda to destroy public schools and encourage home schooling, vouchers and the battle to have tax dollars fund religious schools?
Less secular government in public schools would make it easier for states to hijack education for Jesus.
It fits right into the rest of the Christian Right Agenda agenda.
Those wishing to have their children receive a "tradtional and secular public education" will have to pay for private schools and that's not the American way.
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Eric Mann
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11:50 AM on 10/29/2011
I'm all for merit pay, but it must be teachers who decide what is merit and how to measure it. Some suggestions:
-Dedication to children
-Years of service (as a factor, not the only factor)
-Education level
-Average Socio-Economic Status of the children in the school they teach in
-Student and parental feedback (and in this sense, some negatives are positives-think "too much homework" as a feedback comment)
-Observations by skilled (and by that I mean having been a classroom teacher for at least 7 years) administrators

Note nowhere on this list is test scores, in any form. "Value Added" is a business/economic term, and cannot be used in education. Additionally, this method has been shown to be only some 25% effective in predicting future successes in students of the same teacher. Tests are designed to assess students ability, knowledge, and predict future success. They are not designed to assess teachers, schools, or administrations. Using them to do so is like trying to use a tire pressure gauge to measure the temperature of some soup.
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CanadjunBeef
Remember Jesus, the radical liberal
01:55 AM on 10/29/2011
America already barely has an "education system." The feds only provide 7 per cent of education as it is, which has prompted several states to opt completely out of federal standards.
04:08 PM on 10/29/2011
What I find truly amazing is that given the small contribution they make, they want 100% control.Thankfully, my county in MD didn't apply for RttT money. I hope they stick to their guns and don't budge. I'm sure that they'll be threatened probably by the state or by the lack/loss of federal funding for other programs.At least they had the courage of their convictions.
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CanadjunBeef
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01:31 AM on 10/29/2011
As a teacher, I find the idea of merit pay for teachers to be simple-minded and insulting to the profession. The most important qualities in a teacher are devotion to students and passion for their teaching practice. How are you going to measure those?
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vobox3343
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04:30 PM on 10/28/2011
That's funny. To think that these candidates who have us all scratching our heads might have some words on education , just cracks you up.
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04:05 PM on 10/28/2011
has anyone thought about why they don't want the fed gov to have a smaller role? they want to keep the people ignorant. even with the fed gov help there are some states who schools fall way below the standards. besides bachman wants that money to go to all her children that have used gov programs to do whatever
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02:41 PM on 10/28/2011
"The federal government," he (Herman Cain) continued, "has a responsibility as far as keeping standards but not imposing standards at the local level."

This means that my Federal Government has the responsibility of keeping the likes of Bachmann's and Perry's misunderstanding local teachings (Mass. didn't fire the first shots, and the Revolution was in the 16th century) but can't impose real standards across the nation?

Horse dumplings!
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CanadjunBeef
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01:50 AM on 10/29/2011
I'm still trying to figure out how the feds can "keep" standards without "imposing" them, as Cain suggests.
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Mike Davis 747
02:39 PM on 10/28/2011
I wish the Republican hopefuls would stop appearing in these forums and debates and stop destroying each other. There won't be anyone left to challenge Obama in 2012. Whatever happened to the 13th commandment, "Republican candidates shall not unfavorably of other Republican candidate." Come on guys, one lowlife political party is enough. Please don't act like Democrats.
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CanadjunBeef
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01:34 AM on 10/29/2011
These GOP hopefuls are so similarly loathsome, I don't think there's any danger they'll be mistaken for Democrats.
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LearningCommunity
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01:25 PM on 11/01/2011
Mike, interesting point. I think it is a perfect reflection of GOP thinking.

First, dems are a "lowlife political party." This is an education story. This is exactly the problem with the GOP, they are not interested in education. They are only interested in furthering their agenda. You start off with the belief that Dems are lowlifes then, using confirmation bias, you only see things that reinforce your views. Something that might challenge your views, like Herman Cain's Sexual Harrassment charges, will be discounted as the result of the lowlife dems.

Second, part of your statement that demonstrates GOP thinking. Your suggestion that the election process should not be a time to get to know the candidates. Using the Sharon Angle approach, you only speak and promote your agenda, and never take any questions that could challenge that agenda.

Again this is an education story and you demonstrate with your post how much the GOP agenda does not want education. Your post demonstrates the GOP wants brainwashing.

Do you see that when you say the candidates should not debate, what you are saying is that the GOP ideas, when held up to the light of a debate, cannot stand on their own. What you are saying is that GOP ideas can only exist is no one questions those ideas.

Unlike the Dems that believe in education and science and try to find the best solution for the problem, not just a solution that will hurt the GOP.
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jwmmjjj
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11:45 AM on 10/28/2011
Just another plank in the t-pub goal of privitizing all schools, along with fire fighters, police, and everthing else. They have made great inroads in this arena, that started many years ago in the military with contracting out many of the jobs that were traditionally done by active duty military members. And when the final stories are written about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, many Americans will be shocked to learn that there were more non-military people in the countries than there were military members. Additionally, the amount of money spent on this "contracting out" will blow your mind, because it was not cheap.
Dad24
The Right is Wrong
11:37 AM on 10/28/2011
Hey Rick, Michele, Herman, and Newt - keep your morals out of my children's classroom. Stop trying to push your fanatic religious beliefs onto the rest of us.
11:29 AM on 10/28/2011
It went like this:
"I'm for my buddies getting rich from privatizing."
"Me too."
"Yeah, me too."
"Drill, baby drill." Huh? Edu-what?
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omobob
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11:17 AM on 10/28/2011
The Flat Earth Society strikes again. As if education is what the t.p. republicans are worried about. There are worried that they won’t be able to further cripple our educational system by ober burdening it pseudo religious dogma posing as science. Leaving out liberal Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson as the Texas school books have. Younger students are on an average with the rest of the industrialized nations but score lower in science and math. t.p. republicans will only makes things harder.