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Occupy Cleveland: Issue 2 Fosters Cordial Relations With Police Union

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First Posted: 10/28/11 12:51 PM ET Updated: 10/28/11 12:59 PM ET

The battle to repeal Ohio's controversial collective bargaining law is being credited with creating a good relationship between Occupy Cleveland and Cleveland police officers

The Occupy Cleveland rally, which has taken over the city's Public Square, has been marked by relatively cordial relations between the demonstrators and police officers, a difference from the confrontations that have marked the Occupy Oakland protests in recent days. The Nov. 8 referendum to repeal a law that prohibits collective bargaining by public employees, along with requiring employee contributions on health care and pensions -- known as Issue 2 -- has led to the good relationship. Occupy Cleveland recently received a court order allowing 24-hour occupation of the square.

"Generally speaking they have been pretty good," Occupy Cleveland spokesman Jacob Wagner said of the police. "We have an open dialogue with [police union president] Steve Loomis. We have had officers stop by in uniform to drop off tents and materials."

Loomis confirmed the cordial relationship between his union and those in the Occupy movement.

"It's because of Issue 2," he said. "The issues at hand that the Occupy Cleveland folks are dealing with are a lot of the same ones we're dealing with on S.B. 5."

Issue 2 was originally known as Senate Bill 5 when it was passed by the Republican-controlled state legislature and Gov. John Kasich (R) earlier this year. Labor unions received over a million signatures statewide to utilize a provision in the state constitution to force a referendum on the law on the November ballot.

Harriet Applegate, the executive secretary of the North Shore AFL-CIO, said that she has seen Issue 2 become a benefit for the relationship of the police union and Occupy Cleveland, as well as for the relationships between all of the unions.

"Because of Issue 2, there are progressive people who have become allies with the police -- it has made a difference in the Occupy movement," she said. "They are our union brothers and sisters. Many police have said that they will not vote for another Republican again."

The relationship even led to 11 peaceful arrests in Cleveland earlier this month. Loomis said police officers explained to the Occupy Cleveland demonstrators that they needed to make some arrests in the early days of the protest as participants remained after the square's closing time. Wagner said the group understood the what the police needed to do.

"We want to make sure when we engage in civil disobedience it is safe," Wagner said. "We don't want to see what happened in New York or Oakland. There are a lot of law students and lawyers among us. When the arrests did occur, the police knew who was volunteering to be arrested and who wasn't."

Loomis said police officers are continuing to follow orders and will keep the peace, but at the same time will work with the protesters.

"It was as pleasant an experience as that could have been, arresting people," he said. "It was not violent and not confrontational. That is a good thing for everybody."

Patrol Officer Jennifer Ciaccia, a spokeswoman for the Cleveland Police Department, said the department did not have a position on the relationship between the union and Occupy Cleveland.

Loomis noted the dialogue also helped when Occupy Cleveland leaders considered moving the protest to the police memorial park, which he described as "sacred ground" for police officers. He said he and other union leaders reached out to the Occupy movement to discuss the issue and the Occupy movement choose a new location.

Wagner said that Occupy Cleveland considers all public employees impacted by Issue 2 to be part of the 99 percent, noting that many public employees have joined the movement.

"This bill has long-reaching ramifications," he said. "It is the slippery slope argument. Once you start this attack, where does it stop? It is all the public workers it will effect. It is the larger aspect of the one percent."

Loomis said that he believes the entire fight will help anti-Kasich forces in the state during the referendum and for the remainder of the governor's term. Kasich is up for reelection in 2014.

"S.B. 5, Issue 2 has forged very odd partnerships. That's not a bad thing -- it's a good thing," Loomis said. "That will blow up in Kasich's face. He does not want the police union and the AFL-CIO working hand in hand. They would rather see us at each other's throats."

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bfrjds1981
Proud Straight Male
03:57 PM on 10/30/2011
"Patrol Officer Jennifer Ciaccia, a spokeswoman for the Cleveland Police Department, said the department did not have a position on the relationship between the union and Occupy Cleveland."

Yeah right, it sure sounds like it. Please.........
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saileyboy
living on land sucks
07:27 AM on 10/30/2011
The police unions in Wisconsin backed Scott Walker for governor. What they got isn't what they expected. Sure the governor exluded the police union from the union breaking laws the repubs passed, but they also passed concealed carry - which the cops don't like. The firefighters were also backers of Walker and exluded but at least they stood up for fellow unions in demonstrations.
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Jeff Woodring
07:20 AM on 10/30/2011
Police unions and other associations are continuously in contact with each other. Perhaps Occupy Cleveland and other movements that have this kind of cordiallity can convince the police and their unions to contact their bretheren in other cities to bring about this kind of relaitionship with demonstrators in their respective jurisdiction.
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
11:10 PM on 10/29/2011
"S.B. 5, Issue 2 has forged very odd partnerships. That's not a bad thing -- it's a good thing," Loomis said. "That will blow up in Kasich's face. He does not want the police union and the AFL-CIO working hand in hand. They would rather see us at each other's throats."

Nep, and I don't think he favors Occupy forces also working together with the police union or the AFL-CIO.
Sorry Johnny, it's happening anyway.
11:03 PM on 10/29/2011
We elected the people promising the most goodies. Now we are bankrupt and destroyed. Maybe we won’t be so stupid and greedy the next time.
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:21 AM on 10/30/2011
..And We Won't Get Fooled Again!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUbGLVvfB7Y
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
10:52 PM on 10/29/2011
Now why is it that the police in OTHER cities cannot understand this VERY SIMPLE principle: OWS [nationwide] is protesting [among other things] the loss of police jobs . . .
Period.
WE ¤ CAN'T ¤ WAIT ! !
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:24 AM on 10/30/2011
Right, while some people not only want to wait, but go backasswards adn keep things screwed up and deteriorating as they are. Insanity fomented by TV news. Brainwashed. Propagandized & don't even know their days are numbered.
10:44 PM on 10/29/2011
The politicians who set us up for this train wreck are mostly long gone and forgotten. The train wreck is coming none the less. We can accept our fate with some dignity or we can go down like Greece.
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dayzee10
Are you a master builder or a master butcher?
01:19 AM on 10/30/2011
I'd rather go down fighting than kissing the rear of the retealibanbaggericans, the top 1% and the corporate greed machine
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:25 AM on 10/30/2011
We are going UP fighting!
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MissusJones
I'm really a hipster corgi.
10:29 PM on 10/29/2011
Imagine that ... Law enforcement working with protesters prevents problems.
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lipps
Snopes is going to be busy editing errors soon
12:10 AM on 10/30/2011
Thats going to be a lame protest... Isn't the whole idea to goad the police into attacking the protesters so they can get the most "Bang for the Buck" with the Media?
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MissusJones
I'm really a hipster corgi.
12:51 AM on 10/30/2011
Depends on the protester, I guess. I'm partial to the MLK school of protesting, myself. Violence just diminishes the credibility of the message and the protesters.
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:26 AM on 10/30/2011
Duh, no.
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windy33
10:24 PM on 10/29/2011
we from wisconsin support you all. we from wisconsin will be helping to remind everyone to get out the vote. this is one that you all must win, and take back your rights. to bad you can't re-call your gov. we will soon be getting out the papers to re-call sewer rat walker and his goons
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
11:11 PM on 10/29/2011
WE ¤ CAN'T ¤ WAIT ! !
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:28 AM on 10/30/2011
The traitor should be in federal prison!
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
09:56 PM on 10/29/2011
Each OWS is also a voice for all workers, private and public. The police would do well for themselves to support OWS however they can. Unions can make a big comeback if everyone units and pressures the red states as they try to break the union power and money that support democrats.
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windy33
10:25 PM on 10/29/2011
yup and the red states have the right to work and look at their wages and look at the way some of their employers treat them.
11:11 PM on 10/29/2011
We are 14 trillion in debt. It's closing time. The bar tab is here.
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tangelan
You will not cast aspersions on my asparagus.
09:46 AM on 10/30/2011
If politicians think they're going to pay the tab by cutting union benefits then they're math deficient.
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MinneMike
I am 1% deal with it
08:58 PM on 10/29/2011
LOL

I thought you OWS types didn't like the "evil" police? Only when you say they are "on your side" when they say they are not taking sides?
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windy33
10:27 PM on 10/29/2011
depends it it's the NYPD. they go out of their way to insight a riot them blame the protesters. when they get someone in there that wants to bust their union we will see what direction they will take then
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
11:01 PM on 10/29/2011
Boy, have you missed the point, BIG TIME ! !
OWS has ALWAYS protested the loss of police jobs, and the efforts of police unions to conduct wage/benefit negotiations for their members . . .
What OWS has NOT supported is ILLEGAL police actions that TAKE AWAY the rights of OWS to protest, when the protest FAVORS the rights of police [to keep their jobs, to maintain benefits etc]
Sorry, I gotta' give your homework assignment an "F", for FAIL.
BIG TIME FAIL.
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:30 AM on 10/30/2011
A red spray-paint BIG TIME FAIL!
07:46 PM on 10/29/2011
Any country that would trade a little liberty for a little security would deserve neither and lose both!
markgoode
a voice from the center
07:04 PM on 10/29/2011
This is just the beginning. More and more police will join their brothers and sisters in the protests against the tyranny of the 1%. God bless America!
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Rick Shreiner
Like EVERYONE else, I am UNIQUE . . .
11:11 PM on 10/29/2011
WE ¤ CAN'T ¤ WAIT ! !
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:32 AM on 10/30/2011
Right just the first 30+ days here. We Won't Be Fooled Again! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUbGLVvfB7Y Read it and WEEP criminal politicos & traitors! WE ARE COMING!!!! Best grab your axx and whistle Dixie for all the good that'll do ya!
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
06:20 PM on 10/29/2011
These are the difficult times Police should help the real Masters of all powers, instead of listening to the tyrant Republicans running the Administration. The police must help house the protesters in protest area during the winter days till the rich A** hole kisser Republican Congress resigns.

I congratulate the Police for their cooperation, good keep it up.
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:33 AM on 10/30/2011
Beautiful and wise sentiment. This is a new day for Our country.
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
04:30 AM on 10/30/2011
DWAYNE CORREA, thanks for your appreciation.take care.
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
04:35 AM on 10/30/2011
DWAYNE CORREA, THANKS.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
06:11 PM on 10/29/2011
"He does not want the police union and the AFL-CIO working hand in hand. They would rather see us at each other's throats."

That's what I've been saying all along people, the republicans are doing everything in their power to divide this country by having us attack each other instead of the real culprits, which are them! If we ever come together, we will have all the corporations and everybody else crapping their pants because we outnumber them and therefore carry more weight in getting things done if we ever focused on getting the "right" things done.
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SMK1414
just another community organizer
09:46 PM on 10/29/2011
The republicans are the great dividers. Its the only way they can survive. Don't let them.
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DWAYNE CORREA
Eh heh...oh.
03:35 AM on 10/30/2011
Right on ebanks & SMK! Move Your Money is a good, well, move. Pull the rug out from under them.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
10:44 AM on 10/30/2011
Amen my friend :)