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Elections 2012: Americans Elect Has Plan B For Picking President

NANCY BENAC   11/01/11 10:37 PM ET  AP

LAS VEGAS, NV - OCTOBER 18: (L-R) U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), former CEO of Godfather's Pizza Herman Cain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, and Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich participate at the Republican presidential debate airing on CNN, October 18, 2011 in Las Vegas, Nevada. (Photo by Ethan Miller/Getty Images)

WASHINGTON — Lots of people complain about the shortcomings of the country's two-party system for picking a president. Now a nonpartisan group is gathering millions of petition signatures – and dollars – to offer people a Plan B.

Americans Elect, which grew out of a failed 2008 effort to provide an alternative in the presidential race, aims to secure a slot on the November ballot in all 50 states for a to-be-determined candidate who would be nominated in the nation's first online convention next summer.

The group, whose backers include both Republicans and Democrats anxious to open up the political process, has raised $22 million so far and secured ballot slots in Florida, Alaska, Nevada, Kansas, Arizona and Michigan. It has submitted signatures for certification in California, Utah and Hawaii.

Americans Elect, whose slogan is "pick a president, not a party," appears to be on track to secure ballot access across the country, with 1.9 million signatures collected so far. But how it will affect the 2012 race depends on what kind of candidate its delegates select in next June's online convention, which will be open to any registered voter.

"It's a fascinating experiment in trying to empower the disenfranchised center in American politics," says Will Marshall, one of the group's leaders and the president of the Progressive Policy Institute, a centrist Democratic think tank. "It uses the power of the Internet and social media to provide a new means for political participation."

Even Marshall admits, though, that he approaches the effort with some trepidation.

"I'd hate to see a scenario in which a vibrant third choice in some way threw the 2012 election to a right-winger like a Rick Perry or a Michele Bachmann," he says.

Americans Elect rejects the notion its candidate could turn out to be a spoiler and says that putting the choice in the hands – or clicks – of millions of registered voters will ensure the selection of a qualified nominee. Leading candidates for the group's nomination will be required to choose a running mate who is not from their own party to ensure political balance, it says.

Mark McKinnon, a GOP strategist who advised George W. Bush in his presidential campaign, says he got involved in the effort because "the system is broken and the traditional parties are only making a bad situation worse." He sees the Americans Elect effort as a reimagining of democracy and how the country selects its leaders.

Getting on the ballot in all 50 states isn't all that unusual: The New Alliance Party's Lenora Fulani did in 1988. The Libertarians have done it multiple times. But none of them garnered a big share of the vote.

Other outsider candidates have been more successful: Ross Perot got 19 percent of the vote in 1992 and 8 percent in 1996; John Anderson, 7 percent in 1980: and George Wallace, 13 percent in 1968. Ralph Nader drew just 3 percent of the vote as a Green Party candidate in 2000, but that included enough liberal votes in Florida to keep Democrat Al Gore from carrying the state and becoming president.

Richard Winger, editor and publisher of Ballot Access News, says the idea that an Americans Elect candidate can win shouldn't be dismissed outright. There are hundreds of instances of minor candidates being elected to state legislatures, and even a few members of Congress, he says.

And Matt Miller, a fellow at the Democratic-leaning Center for American Progress, says the effort doesn't have to produce a president to have a big impact on national politics.

Perot's strong following in 1992 pushed deficit reduction onto Bill Clinton's agenda when he became president, Miller says.

Ileana Wachtel, a spokeswoman for Americans Elect, says the group is on track to meet its fundraising goal of $30 million. It has collected money from about 3,000 individual small donors and 100 large donors, who aren't required to reveal their identities. Many, she says, "are tied to one of the parties and do not want to deal with recriminations from supporting this alternative." The group, whose leadership includes a number of names from corporate America, accepts no money from special interests or political action committees.

The process of drafting candidates won't begin until December.

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Online:

http://www.americanselect.org/

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Nancy Benac can be followed at http://twitter.com/nbenac

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cadsuch
A 70 retired construction worker/truck driver
03:20 PM on 11/13/2011
We need a plan B alright. Now we have 535 guys saying THEY get medical care and the rest of us don't. All we get is insurance companies in the realestate business who WON'T submit to a plan to pay at LEAST 80% of the premiums for medical care. They get more and more realestate on my dime and the 535 guys don't have a problem with it.

We need a plan B when the 535 guys just voted themselves a cash raise while most of the unemployed have no unemplyment benefits left.

This web site hounded me for weeks that my "micro-bio" was empty. I didn't even know what it was. Now I need to ask, why I'm the only rummie who has my lack of credibility out there for everyone else to see?
03:07 PM on 11/05/2011
No one can say whether an AE-nominated ticket will be a spoiler for the Democrats. AE's rules seem designed to insure a centrist-oriented ticket -- even if it means overriding the predominately left-leaning delegates who registered with AE. Would a centrist-oriented ticket draw disproportionately from Obama? Maybe -- but maybe not. Jon Huntsman is mentioned as a likely AE nominee. Which side would he draw from? We will just have to wait and see how it shakes out. There is no justification for disqualifying a candidacy just because it might disadvantage one or the other major parties. New York Governor and 1928 presidential nominee Al Smith said (something like), "The best solution for the problems of democracy is more democracy." Let the voters decide -- or fix the system so it is not subject to the whims of winner-take-all elections.
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cadsuch
A 70 retired construction worker/truck driver
03:24 PM on 11/13/2011
We don't need a plan B to be for or against Obama. We need a new plan so we can stop being compelled to vote against our own best interest.
12:04 AM on 11/03/2011
This 'effort' will do no good. What is needed is the restoration of the concept of a "Loyal Opposition". We've morphed into a system of the 'out' party having as it's sole goal the prevention of the 'in' party from governing. Hence, all that's needed is the turning out of the current Republican leadership. How did we get this way? The primary system. Another one of those 'unintended consequences' thing.
09:37 AM on 11/02/2011
Nice "reporting"--almost as in-depth as the organization's mostly self-written Wikipedia article. "The group, whose backers include both Republicans and Democrats anxious to open up the political process"...how objective and penetrating. The smallest amount of research will show you that this is a center-right group funded mostly by a few hundred "individuals" to the tune of a few hundred thousand dollars apiece. "Americans Elect, which grew out of a failed 2008 effort to provide an alternative in the presidential race"...so the well-known name Unity 08 isn't worth mentioning? This is an advertisement, not journalism of any kind.
12:05 PM on 11/02/2011
"Americans Elect rejects the notion its candidate could turn out to be a spoiler" --well, as long as they "reject" its happening... -- "and says that putting the choice in the hands – or clicks – of millions of registered voters will ensure the selection of a qualified nominee." A non sequitur if ever there was one. What does being "qualified" have to do with being a spoiler? Spoiling is purely an outcome, and has nothing to do with the candidate per se. A generous interpretation of this group would be to call them severely misguided; a more plausible one is that they want a few million people to be emotionally invested in a spoiler candidate--which "their" candidate would obviously be, whether or not they nominate the candidate voted for online (and note as an aside that they are in no way constrained to do so). An opaque entity like this is virtually the opposite of the sort of thing needed to "open up the political process", which could be much better accomplished, as has been observed by other commenters here, by campaign finance reform (made terribly more difficult by the recent Supreme Court ruling).
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BlackJAC
It's better to be a black king than a white knight
07:58 AM on 11/02/2011
So it's the system's fault that the parties have a habit of reaching out to the people who would've otherwise gone third-party?
07:48 AM on 11/02/2011
We need to do something, the choice we have in candidates is appalling, a drunk, a liar and a con man, then there's Obama.
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Michael D Ballantine
Texas Justice Party - Chairperson
05:30 AM on 11/02/2011
Great follow-up article Nancy. My concern for the nominating process is that they are late posting candidates. Originally, they were going to post candidates in November but the pushback to December throws the Christmas holiday into the mix and candidates will lose momentum over the holidays. Candidates like myself will wait until January, once the primaries start and more people will be interested. That's not much time before the April primaries begin online.
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efffox
The truth is NOT halfway between right and wrong
03:14 AM on 11/02/2011
A simpler solution would be to get money out of politics and then everyone's vote would actually count!!
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LeeMon
Who's a good boy?
07:18 AM on 11/02/2011
That just makes too much sense. It'll never fly!
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election2012
An independent voice for the greater good.
01:57 AM on 11/02/2011
An ultra-lib splinter group intending to siphon support away from Democrats? We were hoping for a right-wing third party candidate, given the GOP's 50-50 split between mainstream Republicans and Tea Party supporters. This organization might just have enough support to derail the integrity of the election. I wouldn't bother with any write-in or clicked-in candidate. It would be a wasted vote.
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
08:02 AM on 11/02/2011
Americans Elect is far from an ultra liberal splinter group. It has about an equal number of moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans like myself who are thoroughly sick of congress behaving like seventh graders in a recess brawl.

We would like to see fewer politicians and more statesmen and stateswomen. Washington should be where you go to compromise, not where you draw a line of death across the Gulf of the Potomac.
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election2012
An independent voice for the greater good.
05:20 PM on 11/02/2011
Oh. They're Independent swing voters like me. I completed the quiz on their site and it seems they're mostly Democratic-leaning moderates. So realize this has the potential to sabotage an already close election, throwing it to Conservatives by default. Which would be the second biggest mistake of the new century, the first being the Bush/Cheney years.
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The Anti-Con
Conservatism is the devils work
12:53 AM on 11/02/2011
Pick a Prez not a party, hm disturbing enough.. Is this a pre-emptive abortion I mean separation of the GOP and the circus of candidates?
12:36 AM on 11/02/2011
This seems like another tactic to diffuse the OWS, the movement of the 99% and the desire for real change in this country. The general dissatisfaction in the general populace against the corporate elites,oligarchs and thieving bankers, will find no suitable outcome in this, even if an"independent" president were elected.
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TheExplainer
Let me explain...
12:29 AM on 11/02/2011
Excellent idea.
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gevan
Give bees a chance
12:15 AM on 11/02/2011
Or you could just send a majority of unpledged delegates to the Republican Convention.
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jokamachi
01:28 AM on 11/02/2011
I wish we could see a floor fight in this generation, for whatever party. This will be called superficial, but there's something more democratic about it.
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daveny
11:36 PM on 11/01/2011
Darn... I was hoping that by "Plan B" they meant they were going to be aborting the current crop of candidates!
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LeeMon
Who's a good boy?
07:20 AM on 11/02/2011
If these misfits are the best they have, can you imagine what their second tier would be like?
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11:03 PM on 11/01/2011
the gop debates are really getting BORING. i don't see any viable candidate. none, has any solutions, or great plans. the name calling, bashing, and nasty acquisations, are now swirling amongst themselves. maybe, they should nominate, rootn' tootin' varmit' shootin, crocker keller. or, maybe someone who makes much more sense, than any one of them, larry the cable guy.