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Greece Risks Meltdown After Bailout Vote Bombshell

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First Posted: 11/01/11 02:57 PM ET Updated: 11/01/11 08:01 PM ET

A high-risk gamble by the Greek government may threaten Greece's financial survival and the cohesion of the euro zone.

Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou announced unexpectedly on Monday that he would hold a public vote on Europe's latest policy prescriptions for Greece, which if enacted would allow the country to avoid default and remain in the euro zone. Many European leaders and investors were aghast at the gamble, which some economists say increases the likelihood that Greece will default after all, abandoning the euro in the process.

Such an outcome would consequently put Spain and Italy in danger of default and Europe at risk of a bank run.

"If they [the Greeks] vote no, then we are back to square one," said Diego Iscaro, senior European economist at IHS Global Insight. "Greece will be without a deal and without a government."

Stock markets around the world tumbled in response to Papandreou's decision, since it called into question the finality of Europe's decision last week to give Greece more bailout money and to force banks to write down 50 percent of Greece's debt. The S&P 500 plunged 2.79 percent, the German DAX fell 5.00 percent and the French CAC 40 plummeted 5.38 percent on Tuesday. The euro also fell 1 percent against the dollar.

Meanwhile, the borrowing costs of larger troubled countries, such as Spain and Italy, spiked as investors grew more fearful that those countries could default on part of their debt. Interest rates for Italian sovereign debt reached a record high on Tuesday, according to the Financial Times.

The Greek Parliament will hold a vote of confidence on the current government this Friday and it is unclear whether the majority Socialist party will prevail. One Socialist party member already has defected and six others asked for Papandreou to resign and schedule early elections for a new "politically legitimate" administration.

Some economists said that Greece's decision to hold a referendum has substantially raised the possibility that the government could fall and that Greece could be forced to default and abandon the euro if it stops receiving bailouts from Europe. They said that even if the Greek government survives Friday's no-confidence vote, it still could face an uphill battle in winning the referendum. More than half of Greeks have said that they oppose the austerity measures that Europe has forced on Greece, although a majority also have said that they support keeping the euro.

NYU economist Nicholas Economides said that if the government loses the referendum, it would effectively become powerless and the administration would likely have to resign. He said this would put "tremendous pressure" on Italy and Spain, since their borrowing costs would spike and they would face the same situation that Greece encountered in early 2010.

"The European Union has missed the opportunity to get rid of the Greek problem once and for all by putting some money there in making Greece an isolated case," Economides said. "Right now the EU has to face the consequences in all the other weak countries."

If a new Greek government were to come to power and ask to renegotiate the bailout agreement, then top European leaders "would cut off the plug, cut Greece adrift, and we would have a downward-lurching economy," said Jan Randolph, head of sovereign risk at IHS Global Insight.

The higher likelihood of a Greek default now also raises the possibility that sovereign debt in Spain and Italy will need to be restructured in order to prevent default there, said Jay Bryson, global economist at Wells Fargo.

"It's too late to isolate Greece," Bryson said. "The contagion has already spread."

Some experts said that the financial problems in other troubled countries will not be any easier to solve than the debt issues in Greece, where thousands have flooded the streets to protest austerity measures. Joshua Rosner, managing director at the research consulting firm Graham Fisher & Co., said that since Europe has opened the "Pandora's box" of haircuts on Greek sovereign debt, now political oppositions in Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland "will be asking for their fair share," resulting in a stalemate in international negotiations driven by each country's domestic discord.

Some economists said that the center of the drama now is in Italy, where European leaders are hoping to force the Italian government to implement structural economic reforms, but Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi faces stiff opposition. Iscaro said that the Italian government perhaps can finance itself for another year with higher interest rates, until it faces the danger of becoming insolvent like Greece.

Randolph said that European leaders deliberately are allowing interest rates on Italian debt to rise in order to force the Italian government to implement structural reforms, which may not happen as long as Berlusconi, who has lost his political capital, stays in power.

"It's a high-risk game," Randolph said. "Whatever happens to the euro and the European economy will focus very intensely on Italy."

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A high-risk gamble by the Greek government may threaten Greece's financial survival and the cohesion of the euro zone. Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou announced unexpectedly on Monday that h...
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Brent Christiansen
11:05 AM on 11/07/2011
Greece as well as other's are examples of what happens when the Governments Elite spend Money they don't have to get or stay elected.... Our Debt is know 15 Trillion.

Thank God that the American voters woke up and elected a GOP majority in congress to at least slow down the Obama Socialist Fright Train.
04:47 PM on 11/06/2011
This is the most dangerous game of dominoes every played -- watching Europe tumble one by one. Where does it end? It's too bad no one has the answer...

Promissory Note
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Brent Christiansen
11:07 AM on 11/07/2011
The answer is to Stop Socialism!
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blutodonit
Want more bush? Vote Obama
02:46 PM on 11/03/2011
If Greece is having this much affect, what will happen if the US goes.
Our largest export is garbage. We have had 20 million jobs "extracted" from our country in the last 10 years. The elite have removed at least 15 trillion dollars from our economy. It is done by design.
The laws of our country and our system are being destroyed.
Why?
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Brent Christiansen
10:57 AM on 11/07/2011
When did Jobs become a God given right? You use the term, Elite, meaning the Job creators then ask were are the jobs....

Why haven't you created Job's for other's or even for yourself?
09:41 PM on 11/08/2011
Blutodonit didn't say anything about a god given right, do you put words in their mouth? How can you defend the government and large corporations for cutting and exporting jobs? The higher unemployment goes, less people paying taxes. The 'system' relies on poor peoples taxes too much as it is and that has been reflected in the enormous debt increases and deficits over the last how-ever-many years.

"Why haven't you created Job's for other's or even for yourself? "

That's a stupid question and you know it.
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Brent Christiansen
09:31 AM on 11/09/2011
Greece is a good example of what happens when a country has Too Many Government Jobs!
05:57 AM on 11/03/2011
I don't know what Prime Minister Papandreou was thinking when he announced the referendum after what is clearly an unpopular bailout package to the Greeks had been negotiated. How does he expect the bailout package to pass? If he really wanted Greek public support for a bailout package, he should've given the Greek people the say in what solutions they wanted to their debt crisis (be it privatization of gov't businesses, etc.) when the bailout was being crafted, rather than ignoring his people and now vainly hoping they vote for a bailout they had no part in and they don't want.
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Brent Christiansen
09:36 AM on 11/09/2011
Greece is a good example of what happens when a country has too many government Jobs and not enough private jobs which create the profits to pay taxes which in turn supports the government jobs.
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dfloyd chef
Freedom is something that dies unless it's used
11:00 AM on 11/09/2011
Kind of like the path Ohio has chosen.
11:14 PM on 11/02/2011
Stop and take a hard look at all the countries doing well. What is the difference? Those countries PRODUCE PRODUCTS and SERVICES to sell. Here in america, all the money is "earned" not by making anything worthwhile but simply by trading it in the land of invisible transactions. Nothing is produced or sold here anymore. They trade and barter and buy and sell NOTHING but digital dollars every single minute of every single day. All to somewhere else. Now those countries that do make things and supply services PRODUCE PROFIT from their efforts. It's clear that america has lost the manufacturing sector and the digital world is all off-shore. Only when americans are back to work making things and providing services that the rest of the globe needs and wants will we be like we once were. We cannot as a country continue to produce nothing and expect a profitable life style. It just won't work.
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Keith Cozart
Chaos reigns in Crowley's temple
12:09 AM on 11/03/2011
Even if your premise was true because it isn't, America does export products(autos, electronic components, plastics, steel, etc) just not at the rate it imports. To freely state it makes no products is a lie. In this global economy, where so many are slaves to American corporations, This country will never again be a leading exporter of anything, because its people will not work for the pennies those in other 'sovereign' nations do. The only way to reverse that is to eliminate free trade deals, and that is never going to happen.
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OMEGA MAN
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
08:44 PM on 11/02/2011
Iceland put it up for a public vote and told the banks to stick it. Iceland's economy is improving now without debt hanging over their head. Greece would be the next country to reject economic serfdom. This scares the 1% !
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OMEGA MAN
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
08:12 PM on 11/02/2011
Sad to say, but that's where "socialism" takes you. When the Government owns the majority of stock in the Electric, water, phone sectors (trying to be a corporation and run a business) - when the majority of folks/companies have to pay enormous taxes in order to support the Union-backed retirement funds ... this is what happens.

Greece was also forced by the EU (just like Italy and Spain were and other countries) - to take in several dozen thousand IMMIGRANTS from "war-torn countries", every year - and take care of their living requirements.

How on earth can a country keep going like this? There comes a time when you have to pay the piper. "Entitlements", hand-outs, social benefits, state-run healthcare etc. etc. etc. will HAVE to paid ... and the time comes when our offspring will have to work to pay for it.

Demanding things like "Obamacare" - is SELFISH - because the time will come when our kids will be paying for our mistakes.
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OMEGA MAN
A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
08:58 PM on 11/02/2011
Adam Smith would have addressed the deficit would have been, “Mr. Obama, pull out of Afghanistan – and perhaps 850 of our foreign bases.” And the century of free market economists who followed Smith would have said, “Tax away unearned rentier income. And do not pay creditors by selling off the public domain to rent-seeking privatizers erecting tollbooths on the economy.” That was precisely the legacy of feudalism that free-market theory was designed to reject, after all.

http://michael-hudson.com/2010/11/schemes-of-the-rich-and-greedy/
Wendy420
Live Free
09:12 AM on 11/04/2011
Great link! Thanks for posting! F&F~
10:13 AM on 11/03/2011
Sorry, but there are considerable gaps in your observations. It reminds me pretty much of a (math) joke from my time at school (about the lack of exactness in physics experiments): "Physicists found that every second number is a prime number: One (is a prime) Two (no prime) Three (is a prime) Four (no prime) Five (is a prime) Six (no prime) Seven (is a prime) Eight (no prime) Nine (measuring error) Ten (no prime) Eleven (is a prime) ... After observing so many numbers, physics can say that every second number is a prime"

Anyways, my point is: Here in Germany, the majority stock (or complete ownership) in Electric, water and railways, the public banking system and minority shares in some corporations is held by municipalities, states or the federal government/ parliament. An honest look in particular on the banking system during this crisis shows that both government ownership as well as private ownership could lead to bad decisions. Some (public owned) Landesbanken (WestLB, NordLB) went down because of bad bets as did private banks like the HRE (now nationalized) and the Commerzbank. On the other hand you had Landesbanken (HeLaBa) and private banks (Deutsche Bank) that steered clear.
10:26 AM on 11/03/2011
My "observations" come from having lived and worked there for just over 20yrs.
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
07:50 PM on 11/02/2011
I'll take Socialism over predator Capitalism any day!
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bighat
Truth as I see it
03:25 PM on 11/02/2011
Why is Germany the only country with the euro that seems to have any money? They have money even though they were completely destroyed in WWI and WWII plus absorbing East Germany and turning the people who knew nothing but communism into productive capitalists
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Captai
Get out while you still can!!
03:37 PM on 11/02/2011
Because Democratic Socialism really does work.
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Drew Puli Wolf
dog trots freely in the street and sees reality
07:54 PM on 11/02/2011
Unfortunately for you brilliant analyses Germany is one of the most Socialized of European Countries. It has a highly unionized work force, the government has an Industrial Policy were the Unions, Managers, and Government Officials work together on policies that make sure high paying jobs stay in Germany – No free trade deals that send job out of the country. They also have a good safety net for workers, and have the oldest form universal health care; it was set up by Bismarck in the 1880s. It has a highly trained work force because many of Germany's hundred or so institutions of higher learning charge little or no tuition. Plus Germans being Germans spend a little and save a lot. These are the reason Germany is a wealthy county.
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Keith Cozart
Chaos reigns in Crowley's temple
12:14 AM on 11/03/2011
just because East Germany lived under soviet rule does not mean its people knew nothing of capitalism, that is just too stvpid to even comprehend.
03:14 PM on 11/02/2011
How long till "austerity" comes to the US?

Ron Paul for president. He's the only one not owned by the international banksters.
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Drew Puli Wolf
dog trots freely in the street and sees reality
07:58 PM on 11/02/2011
Austerity is what the bankers are pushing. Blame it on the goverment and the people - not the Banks.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
12:54 PM on 11/02/2011
Ohmygosh Greece may default, quick sell all of your stock, bring the Dow down by 300 points!

If we hear from Buckingham Palace that the Queen farted sell more stock maybe the stock market will crash!!

News Media............The "Panic Button" of America!
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WhatTheHolyHeck
smiting trolls since 1984
03:33 PM on 11/02/2011
It will take out the European economy, which could have terrible implications for our own, particularly in that our economy relies upon foreign nations stocking hundreds of billions (if not trillions) of US dollars for trade. Their consistent use of the US dollar as the standard keeps our domestic interest rates abnormally low. If they choose to sell off that US currency, our economy could take a significant hit, and we're not in a position to be able to do that, with unemployment at freakish highs and wealth distribution at its worst in US history.

Get some perspective.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
06:52 PM on 11/02/2011
Wow this one little country could wreck the worlds economy!!

Good thing it's not a big country, it could destroy the planet!

Step away from the Panic button, go quitely to a chair and sut down, take measured breaths, breath into a paper bag if you feel lightheaded.

We could be hit by gamma rays from a nearby exploding star, an asteroid could hit the earth wiping out all of civilization, global warming is melting the polar ice caps, Greece will be under water in 10 years!
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rbchilds
In times of deceit, the truth will set you free
09:50 AM on 11/03/2011
More like a 3000 point drop in the Dow. The Euro would drop like a brick.
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Protocolor
空耳モード
11:20 AM on 11/02/2011
Pay very close attention to this, America. Greece is being criticized for giving the Greek population a say in dealing with the problem their nation faces. As austerity measures get cranked up in the United States, expect the same attitude... that is to say, expect politicians to consider giving common Americans a voice in how this global failure of capitalism is confronted to be "irresponsible". Democrats and Republicans will offer essentially the same austerity programs and demands from the American people for a real alternative will be met with derision. "Impossible!", "Irresponsible!", "Childish!", and "You lazy working stiffs have lived high on the hog for too long. That's why America is facing austerity measures now!" Any efforts to have the rich shoulder the burden of capitalism's failure will be very forcefully opposed.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
12:57 PM on 11/02/2011
All austerity measures should start with the Senate, Congress, and the President, after all we the "American Citizens" pay them with our taxes.
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Protocolor
空耳モード
01:26 PM on 11/02/2011
No, austerity measures should start with big businesses and the wealthy investors who control them.

The rich are getting richer and everybody else is facing austerity. What's going on here is staring you right in the face.
10:02 PM on 11/02/2011
I don't think they are criticized for giving the Greek population a say. The critic is because of the timing and for not communicating the decision in beforehand with the political leadership of the other Euro nations. Not to ask for approval. But this way or that, only they could tell him beforehand what their consequences would be in case Greece votes down the agreement.
He also was criticized for being nebulous and opaque in his initial statement about the when, about the precise phrasing of the question and about the consequences.
The point is, being a member of a common market and a common currency the decisions of one impact the others; in this case negatively.
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Protocolor
空耳モード
11:19 PM on 11/02/2011
"the timing"

Yes... the problem lies in giving the Greek populace a say prior to the austerity measures becoming a done deal. It is fine if they are allowed all the say that they want... after the austerity is an accomplished fact.

"not communicat­ing the decision in beforehand"

So that emergency lobbying teams can be sent in to prevent the Greek populace from having a say in the austerity measures before the austerity measures are an accomplished fact. Papandreou is criticized for not giving powerful actors external to Greece a chance to pressure him into not calling the referendum.

The critical point is that Greece is being criticized for allowing an opportunity for the Greek populace to have a say in matters that are of acute importance to them. Regardless of how you wish to try to recast the reality of the matter, that is its essence.
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MrsGreebers
09:54 AM on 11/02/2011
There's a gaping hole in the notion that student loans should be contingent on presumed earning power. Suppose everyone majors in these USEFUL fields. What happens upon graduation when most new grads are competing for the same jobs? It's not as if Wall Street and the various grad programs will suddenly has that many more openings.

Of course, those who played by the new rules, chose the "right" majors but didn't get picked can simply be demonized as losers, and that delivers great emotional satisfaction to a certain kind of person.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
12:58 PM on 11/02/2011
Without student loans how would the students be able to gather and protest??
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
07:43 PM on 11/02/2011
Why don't you go sit on the toilet_and think up some more_goofy things to say!
QuantProgrammer
Cap welfare benefits at two kids.
08:53 AM on 11/02/2011
We're up in the premarket. Socialism crashed Greece. It can't crash capitalism.
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09:05 AM on 11/02/2011
Whatever. I'm interested to know how much money Democrats have taken from you?
QuantProgrammer
Cap welfare benefits at two kids.
09:11 AM on 11/02/2011
It's in the six figures vs. Herman Cain's 12-12-12 plan (9-9-9 assuming you want a balanced budget.)
09:17 AM on 11/02/2011
Greece is a capitalist society. All economies are mixed economies to some level. If you don't understand this, you must be a GOPinhead.
09:23 AM on 11/02/2011
Greece is a socialist country - and unless we change our spending by a
government that forgot what it's responsibilities are, we will be the same.
Government resposibility is to protect it's citizens from harm within and
outside its boarders. Education, etc etc is not a resposibility of the
government. They want to tax more - if you cut spending you have the
money. It is way to simple
08:48 AM on 11/02/2011
Europe is the socialistic model for the liberals of America. You would think they would notice that is not working out so well for them?
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09:07 AM on 11/02/2011
And capitalism is working out great for us? Maybe for the country club crowd, but for the other 99% of us......not so much.
09:25 AM on 11/02/2011
How do you think this country got to be the greatest nation on the
earth. Capitalism. You just want someone elses money. Get a job - and if
it isn't enought money for you, cut your expenses or get 2 jobs.
That's the way it works. TAKE RESPONSIBIBLIY FOR YOU LIFE.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
01:04 PM on 11/02/2011
Yeah they have toet jobs after their unemployment checks run out.
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SpongeBrad
Republicans Crashing the economy since 1929
10:20 AM on 11/02/2011
Then how do you explain Germany?
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
01:12 PM on 11/02/2011
Dast es Goodt!!!