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Supreme Court vs. 9th Circuit: Roberts Defends Scalia's Honor As Justices Ready To Reverse Case

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First Posted: 11/01/11 06:35 PM ET Updated: 11/02/11 11:16 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- It's 9th Circuit smackdown season at the Supreme Court and, judging from Tuesday morning's oral arguments, Richard Lee Pollard could be the latest defendant caught in the middle.

Pollard was a federal prisoner on kitchen duty when he slipped, fell and broke both his elbows. He claims that the way prison employees treated him for the next several months caused him so much additional pain and suffering that they violated the Eighth Amendment's ban on cruel and unusual punishment. He sued the offending staff members under a 40-year-old Supreme Court case, Bivens v. Six Unknown Federal Narcotics Officers, that allows individuals to win money damages when federal officials violate their constitutional rights. The last time the Supreme Court actually allowed such a case to go forward was in 1980.

The justices' ambivalence about Bivens did not deter the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit from endorsing Pollard's case. Nor did the fact that the prison was privately run. For the San Francisco-based appeals court, the private prison's contract with the federal government meant that the employees being sued were operating "under color of federal law" -- a necessary element in all Bivens actions.

But what is necessary may not be sufficient, argued Washington lawyer Jonathan Franklin, who was defending the prison officials in Minneci v. Pollard. A successful Bivens action, he told the Court, also requires that the plaintiff have no other remedy. Pollard, however, could have sued the prison employees for negligence under state law and had a better shot at winning such a case, too.

An overwhelming majority of the justices seemed to agree with Franklin. Justice Elena Kagan was downright puzzled over Pollard's chosen path, asking both Franklin and Pollard's lawyer, University of Richmond law professor John Preis, why Pollard's claims were not brought under state law. Franklin did not try to answer for his opponent, while Preis attributed his client's choice to the fact that Pollard was "put in a federal prison by the federal government," so when "he sees himself injured, he thinks this is presumably a federal case."

"Well, that was just false consciousness that we can correct," Kagan said. "If the true appropriate remedy, and the better remedy from your client's point of view, is a state law action, we should just say, 'Bring a state law [action].'"

Answering a similar question from Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Preis stated that "we don't think the law is clear in California," where the prison is located, and a state court might not find Pollard's claims of deprivation of nutrition and hygiene as well as forced labor to be covered. This provoked a sustained show of disbelief from Justices Stephen Breyer and Antonin Scalia.

"So if there is one state that would not have an adequate remedy for any single bad thing that could happen in prison, there is a Bivens action for everybody for everything?" asked Scalia.

Yes, Preis answered.

"Wow," Scalia responded. "I certainly wouldn't want to hold that."

Without missing a beat, Preis shot back, "I'm not surprised that you wouldn't want to hold that, your honor."

This much, of course, was true: Scalia in past opinions has advocated abandoning Bivens altogether as a "relic of the heady days" of a more liberal Court. Preis' remark provided some comic relief for the audience, but all nine justices stared sternly back at him. Chief Justice John Roberts slowly pivoted his displeased glare from Preis to a similarly displeased Scalia and back to Preis, setting in motion a particularly intense round of questions from the chief apparently designed to prove that it's a grave mistake for any lawyer to defy the fiction that every justice is open to persuasion at oral argument.

Roberts pulled out Preis' brief and read aloud a section in which the lawyer had quoted an earlier case to support Pollard's argument. Roberts then produced the decision in that earlier case and read the full sentence containing the quote Preis had used, noting that the opposing lawyer had accused Preis of distorting the earlier case's meaning. Looking back up at Preis, Roberts said, "I just wanted to give you a chance to reply to what I think is a fairly serious assertion." Preis futilely tried to assuage the chief and finally sputtered out, "Your honor, I guess I certainly took part of the quote and didn't use all of the quote."

"That's known as misquoting," Scalia interjected, capping off the chief's dressing down of Preis for indecorously stating the obvious several minutes earlier.

Soon after, the chief, not one to let hostility linger, threw Preis a token softball question, but he could be forgiven for ducking instead of hitting it out of the park.

Still, no justice on the Court seemed unequivocally willing to bless Pollard's Bivens action. But at least the justices heard the case before reversing the 9th Circuit -- a privilege denied in a case decided Monday in which a six-member majority scolded the West Coast court for its repeated refusal to follow the justices' orders.

The Court will likely hand down its decision in Minneci v. Pollard by the end of June.


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WASHINGTON -- It's 9th Circuit smackdown season at the Supreme Court and, judging from Tuesday morning's oral arguments, Richard Lee Pollard could be the latest defendant caught in the middle. Pol...
WASHINGTON -- It's 9th Circuit smackdown season at the Supreme Court and, judging from Tuesday morning's oral arguments, Richard Lee Pollard could be the latest defendant caught in the middle. Pol...
 
 
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Oskian Yaziciyan
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07:38 AM on 11/19/2011
First of all, let me say I am really impressed at the mastery of the English Language of the posts on the subject. They are most probably written by lawyers and others working in the legal profession(s) where proficiency of English is a prerequisite. Anyway...
Note being a lawyer, not even an armchair one, I can't understand how Supreme Court justices are appointed for life- though the Constitution says so- and nobody but nobody has any power over them. They make judgements based on their own beliefs and not necessarily common sense or to serve the people right. They have nothing to lose and are appointed till someone throws dirt in their face and closes the coffin!
On the subject matter of Pollard, the criminal who clearly saw deep pockets, to sue because he slipped and fell -perhaps accidentally, perhaps on purpose-, is equally mind-boggling. He is in prison where he stands a good chance of becoming someone's girlfriend, being beaten up, shanked and what have you, and he is suing because he slipped and fell?
The people have to pay for his lawyer one way or the other, the Supreme Court is tied up with the case for a while and he may end up with a big pay-day! And this may lead to copy-cat lawsuits! Wow!
JackVandusen
Switched to coffee
04:55 PM on 11/16/2011
Even if a jab at a justice can trigger a sharp round of questioning, it didn't sound to me as if it affected the logic of the questions, or the apparent difficulty in answering them.
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
10:54 PM on 11/07/2011
Scalia has no honor. For that matter, neither does Roberts.
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moonlightesq
04:32 PM on 11/07/2011
Roberts was not defending Scalia's honor... far from it. When Preis misquotes the opinion of a prior case law, undoubtly written by a prior supreme court justice, Roberts was defending the prior justice's opinion to its true meaning by correcting Preis.

Misquoting and distorting the meaning of prior law is a very serious assertion against any lawyer, especially when they practice at the level at the SCOTUS. I am surprised that Preis thought he could get away with misquoting at that level. He may have gotten away with misquoting before in many state courts or lower trial courts with inexperienced judges and half asleep opposing counsels, but at the SCOTUS, each of the justices has at least half a dozen full time law clerks who fine comb each brief that is filed. And Preis got caught!
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WSAY
Res ipsa loquitur
10:54 PM on 11/07/2011
Give it a break. He did no such thing.
08:46 PM on 11/04/2011
The current SCOTUS is a stain on the proud history of the high court. Thomas freely takes bribes from parties with a case on the docket, Scalia and Thomas see nothing wrong with taking vacations provided by parties with cases on the docket. Thomas has been caught lying about his income to the government. Scalia considers the use of eminent domain laws to build the interstate and hospitals to be the moral equivalent of slavery.

Those two need to be impeached.
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Arturo Reaza N
Sooner or later we shall overcome.
03:31 PM on 11/03/2011
The Amendements were supposed to be a legal protection against government abuse. But I only see from the Supreme Court, especially Scalia, through the use of obtuse and logic-bending arguments, often lacking humanness and empathy, an adamant resistance to restructure, reform and renew a deplorable, broken and unjust criminal justice system. The Supreme Court fears that doing so will flood the gates of the justice system with demands of redress, and so even if the principles and values and all of that for which men gave their life and blood to uphold through the ages, it means nothing to a mythified, self-righteous Court, so authoritatively regarded by themselves and the system, when in fact they are just as fallible as any other, something for which we cannot reproach them for, except for the systematic, purposely driven agenda to try and cover the sun with one finger.
02:39 PM on 11/03/2011
Need a reason to vote for Obama how about the next Supreme Court Justice can we aford more right wing fantatics making Laws that hurt our country
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FredSanders
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02:33 PM on 11/03/2011
Being mean is NOT a good characteristic of any Appeals Court. Just saying.
The meanness of the right wing judges is astounding and shameful, and so Tea Partyish.
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moonlightesq
04:08 PM on 11/07/2011
None of the justices were being mean to Preis at all. Misquoting of prior supreme court decision is a big No No in any court, and a violation of canon of ethics for any lawyer. When lawyers intentionally misrepresent a law to a judge, and get caught like Preis did, they lose credibility in all their other arguments, whether or not they are valid. It is sad that Preis teaches at a law school. I hope Preis learns his lesson and teach his students not to do what he did.
12:34 PM on 11/03/2011
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10:49 AM on 11/03/2011
i have a very hard time seeing anything honorable with regard to our supreme court.
Owba
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10:41 AM on 11/03/2011
I honestly don't understand how anyone could still have confidence in the Supreme Court. Once they ruled that the state has the right to take your home away if a developer wants your land, that money IS speech, and that corporations have the same rights as citizens, it became impossible for me to believe an average citizen can get justice from them.
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brt929
02:25 PM on 11/03/2011
Once they ruled that the state has the right to take your home away if a developer wants your land

I really get annoyed with this mischaracterization.  The Supreme Court affirmed a lower court's decision based on the state's own constitution and laws for eminent domain and the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment.  The government (both federal and local) have been taking property for public use for years.  How do you think the railroads were built?

Further, it was not some developer, it was the New London's own re-development agency, that was attempting to bring jobs into a town that was at 40% unemployment.  The re-development agency had sub-contracted to a developer, but the motive was a public purpose of revitalizing a dying town, not profit for a private company.    

Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. (2005). 
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ChasG
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12:37 AM on 11/05/2011
Faved, my friend. Good work. Thank you. Keep on keeping on!
08:08 PM on 11/06/2011
Ahh yes, one of my all time favorite cases.
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So silly
10:23 AM on 11/03/2011
Breaking your elbow hurts.
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The Right is Wrong
Pissing off CONS for more than 56 years!
10:17 AM on 11/03/2011
And Repugs are masters of mis-quoting!
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theobserver4
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07:46 AM on 11/03/2011
Every single lawyer before the Supreme Court needs to call the integrity of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts into question at every opportunity. Make their rigid ideology uncomfortable for them. The American people deserve better.
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ChasG
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03:54 AM on 11/03/2011
The Judiciary has been divided by two essential and conflicting schools of judicial thought about the laws of the United States, and the pre-eminence among those laws of the US Constitution. This division has been with us since before the constitution was even drafted, and we fought England under Articles of Confederation. Today, we have those who claim to be "originalists," believing that the literal word of the constitution cannot change over time, so the Constitution should always be interpreted literally. These people are found in abundance among a group that calls themselves "Federalists," which is ironic because the views of originalists are skewed heavily toward those parts of the Federal Papers that the true Federalists wrote to try to persuade the "confederationists" that a stronger central government with federal powers over the states would made for a more enduring democracy than a loose confederation of sovereign states with a feckless central committee called a Congress of the States Assembled. These confederationist views are now espoused by many members of the Tea Party and those who oppose strong federal government. "Confederationists" of the revolution were the libertarians, and their philosophy was at the core of the confederation of southern states and subsequent "states rights" movements, all holdovers from the very large minority who opposed ratification of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights from the very beginning. This is our history, and it is the present tense with different labels.
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11:59 AM on 11/03/2011
ChasG wrote: "all holdovers from the very large minority who opposed ratificati­on of the Constituti­on and the Bill of Rights from the very beginning."

Very nice summation until you got to the Bill of Rights. The anti federalists were the chief proponents of the BoR's and it would not have made it into the Constitution but for their efforts.

The Federalists opposed the inclusion of the Bill of Rights quite adamently as can be seen in Hamilton's Federalist # 84:

"I go further, and affirm that bills of rights, in the sense and to the extent in which they are contended for, are not only unnecessary in the proposed Constitution, but would even be dangerous. They would contain various exceptions to powers not granted; and, on this very account, would afford a colorable pretext to claim more than were granted. ."

It is interesting to note that Hamilton's primary argument was that it may lead to an expansion of federal power.

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ChasG
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04:13 PM on 11/03/2011
The BORs were indeed introduced by the constitutionalists to placate concerns of the anti-federalists.  At the same time that several constitutionalists opposed the BORs, many anti-federalists opposed them believing their opposition would scuttle the entire draft constitution.  Strange bedfellows?  Yes.  Such is politics.

You have posted separately the truth about the anti-federalists who opposed the Bill of Rights as it was, to many, a poison pill.  And yes, Hamilton had his worthy  reservations as well.  And as the constitution has evolved through Supreme Court interpretation, Hamilton's concerns have been mitigated by decisions holding that the rights conferred in the Bill of Rights are not absolute, but may be limited by circumstance, such as the limitations on the freedom of speech where the speech puts others' rights in danger.  In the Jeffersonian sense, our natural rights extend only to the point where they do not infringe on the rights of others.  Hence, the destruction of another person's property as an expression of free speech is not constitutionally protected speech, nor is yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre.
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12:19 PM on 11/03/2011
Continued...

Both the anti federalists and the federalists were equally in favor of a Bill of Rights when it came down to philosophy. The reason why it became a political issue was for purely partisan reasons. The idea forwarded by the Pennsylvania Minority at the Pennsylvania Ratifying Convention was that the entire proposed Constitution should be sent to a new Constitutional Convention to make certain modifications, including the addition of a Bill of Rights. The Federalists knew that if this where to occur, the Constitution would be a dead letter. For the extreme anti federalist, the insistance of a Bill of Rights was a political poison pill designed to deep six the Constitution.

The Constitution was saved by virtue of the Massachusetts Compromise which was brokered by moderate anti federalist Sam Adams. The compromise was that the states would ratify the Constitution as is, but would instruct the 1st Congress to propose and send to the states amendments for a Bill of Rights.... and that is why we have a Bill of Rights.
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ChasG
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01:59 AM on 11/04/2011
Your history of the Massachusetts compromise is accurate.  My only difference with your explanation of the politics of the Bill of Rights is one of over-simplification of the argument into two discreet schools of thought-- the federalists and the anti-federalists.  And I might mince words about Federalist #84 because you have taken Hamilton's words completely out of context, that being the political purpose for which the federalist papers were written.  Other than a few minor tweaks like that, you and I are pretty much on the same page.  The main point of my post was to point out that the history of the politics of weak central government have been a divisive force in American politics since the very beginning, and are at the root of the major political divide in this country today between "rugged individualists" and "collectivists," with many subgroups and overlaps in philosophy including those who would have struck a balance between those two seemingly incompatible extremes into various centrist blends.  In the broadest and most basic terms, our national politics haven't changed much since the birth of the country.  I'd also posit we would all benefit greatly from understanding how these forces shaped this country over the past 235 years or so, and how those forces in stark opposition nearly destroyed this country.  I'm a strong advocate of learning from history.