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Greece Debt Crisis: Vote Could Force Expulsion From Eurozone

Greece Threatened With Eurozone Expulsion

By GABRIELE STEINHAUSER and GREG KELLER   11/ 2/11 08:40 PM ET   AP

CANNES, France -- European leaders drew a line in the sand for Greece on Wednesday, saying its referendum on a hard-won bailout deal will decide whether it stays in the eurozone – and vowing Athens will not get new aid until the result is in.

The acknowledgment that the vote – which will likely take place on Dec. 4 – could see Greece leaving the currency union is the first official admission that such an exit is possible and follows almost two years of pledges to the contrary.

The move to tie the vote to the fate of the euro is a huge gamble that could endanger the future of the currency union, the centerpiece of Europe's postwar unity, and potentially push the world economy into another recession.

"The referendum ... in essence is about nothing else but the question, does Greece want to stay in the eurozone, yes or no?" German Chancellor Angela Merkel said at a news conference together with French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

The leaders of the two biggest eurozone economies spoke to the press after emergency talks with Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou in Cannes, France. The discussion also included International Monetary Fund head Christine Lagarde and other top EU and eurozone officials.

By turning the referendum into a popular vote on whether Greece wants to remain in the eurozone – the currency union that gave it access to the club of Europe's richest countries but also allowed it to pile up a massive debt mountain – leaders are taking a risky bet.

The exit of the eurozone's weakest member could trigger a dangerous domino effect that could quickly see Ireland and Portugal, the other two countries that have received bailouts, also leave the currency bloc and cause the financial collapse of Italy and Spain, which are barely hanging on.

Papandreou said that he was forced to call a referendum after it became clear that there was no "broad support" from opposition parties for a bailout deal reached with the rest of the eurozone and big banks just a week ago.

That deal would supply Greece with an extra euro100 billion ($138 billion) in rescue loans from the rest of the eurozone and the IMF – on top of the euro110 billion it was granted a year ago – and would see banks forgive Athens 50 percent of the money it still owes them.

However, in return Greece had to accept another painful round of austerity measures and privatizations – harboring years of more pain for a people already reeling from two years of deep cuts.

"I felt that it was important that the Greek people make a decision on these important developments," Papandreou said. "It is their democratic right and the Greek people, I believe, are mature and wise to make the decision that is to the benefit of the Greek people and the country."

The alternative to the new rescue deal would be a hard default by Greece within days after the referendum, potentially toppling banks across Europe and further undermining an already slowing economic recovery.

Europe's increasingly shaky condition is the center of attention at a summit of the Group of 20 leading world economies in Cannes on Thursday and Friday. The United States, China and other nations are looking to Europe to get its house in order and avoid harming the global recovery. The United States has an important role to play but it is ultimately Europe's problem to solve, the White House said Wednesday as President Barack Obama headed for Cannes.

Merkel and Sarkozy said that a crucial euro8 billion ($11 billion) loan installment to Greece that was due to be paid out by mid-November won't be transferred until after the vote.

Eurozone finance ministers had already signed off on their part of the payment two weeks ago, but leaders said that without the second bailout assured there was no point in carrying on with the first one.

"We want to continue with the Greeks but there are rules and it's unacceptable that these rules are not followed," Sarkozy told journalists.

Papandreou said that Greece would be able to stay afloat until after the referendum – Greek officials had previously said that Athens would run out of money by mid-November – but acknowledged that the schedule was tight.

"If everything goes well – which we hope everything will go well in the referendum – it's quite a few days before the 6th tranche is needed to pay up salaries and pensions and so on," he said on his way out of the meeting.

While eurozone leaders tried to display a concerted front, with Merkel and Sarkozy briefing the press in their now habitual tandem, the referendum is uncovering growing cracks in the eurozone's unity.

"This did not happen in a coordinated fashion," she said of Papandreou's sudden decision to call a vote on the bailout deal. Merkel said that because of the referendum, the rest of the currency union now had to build up its defenses more quickly.

To make progress in that direction the finance ministers of France and Germany will meet with the EU's Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn Thursday to work on a plan to boost the firepower of the region's bailout fund to euro1 trillion ($1.4 trillion).

That was one of the commitments of last week's eurozone summit, but investors remained unconvinced by the promise of a larger rescue fund as many questions on how it will work were left unanswered.

In Rome on Wednesday, Italy's Cabinet proposed legislation to sell off government-owned real estate, encourage investment in infrastructure and privatize local public companies in a bid to avoid becoming the next victim of Europe's debt crisis.

While Merkel and Sarkozy both stressed the democratic right of the Greek people to decide its own destiny, Jean-Claude Juncker, the prime minister of Luxembourg and chairman of the Eurogroup, was more direct.

"Greece had 8 billion – Greece has lost 8 billion after having made a decision to put all these questions to a referendum," he told journalists. "That's a pity."

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Angela Charlton and Jamey Keaten contributed to this report.

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CANNES, France -- European leaders drew a line in the sand for Greece on Wednesday, saying its referendum on a hard-won bailout deal will decide whether it stays in the eurozone – and vowing Ath...
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stunsitfel
Liberale sind verlorene Schafe
02:21 PM on 11/21/2011
Put Greece and Italy on the same boat headed out to sea.
01:25 PM on 11/21/2011
The EU should kick the big spending socialists in Greece out right now. I wouldn't wait for anything.
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Si1ver1ock
So long, and thanks for all the fish...
10:47 AM on 11/21/2011
greece should withdraw and issue its own currency. And take other reform measures. Japan's debt to GDP is over 200%.
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harrymudd
09:10 PM on 11/03/2011
One "benefit" of this is that Euro will be in trouble. Meaning dollar gets a new lease. No matter how messed up it is dollar is the only game in town. It won't last forever but we got another 10-20 years lease! Thank EU for self destructing faster than we are.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
keep it solid
Have a great day :)
11:50 AM on 11/03/2011
"My big fat greek debt"
01:26 PM on 11/21/2011
LOL....yes, indeed.
"My big fat socialist greek debt"
imayes
Mongo like candy!
11:19 AM on 11/03/2011
The fact that they are planning a bailout fund tells me that there is something fundamentally flawed with the financial system in the EU (and in other regions, for that matter). I would like Greece to vote no just to see what happens globally, and to see if the financial systems globally change how they do business to adjust. Just what (or who) are the bailouts really protecting?
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11:15 AM on 11/03/2011
I sure hope no one here is overly invested in the Euro.
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11:28 AM on 11/03/2011
or the dollar....
02:30 PM on 11/04/2011
Another 1% er that worries about his/her $435.00 in his/her account.....lol

2083 malakies ston kolosou lol
01:27 PM on 11/21/2011
I sense you are trying to communicate.
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Aarontastic
"Mr. Cain instead decided to try to provide her wi
11:12 AM on 11/03/2011
I understand why the EU is making the ultimatum, but I sympathize with the Greek PM somewhat. The Greek economy is damned either way--taking the bailout might do more to hurt them more than leaving the currency would, in the long-run. The only reason that France and Germany are concerned about the Greeks is because big banks throughout the continent will take huge losses. As far as I know, the EU rescue fund has enough capital to contain the situation in the event of a Greek default, but the greater fear is that Italy, which is already on shaky legs apparently, will sink too.

How much would Greece leaving really undermine the EU? That's a big question in my mind, because it looks like a real possibility. Some Greeks may give the vote in the referendum more thought now that the future of their country's membership is attached to it, but there's a great chance they will still reject the bailout. Would Portugal and Ireland really leave too? Austerity can't be popular there, either.
Transverseangle
To stay healthy, everything in mderation
12:00 PM on 11/03/2011
From what I gather initially they were concerned about allowing Greece into the Eurozone, but the people are hardworking and it has such a rich history. However, they manipulated their spreadsheets, kind of lied.
01:28 PM on 11/21/2011
The socialist dominos are starting to fall.
It is lovely to watch.
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jamesinraro
11:10 AM on 11/03/2011
Merkel and Sarkozy went apoplectic when it appeared that democracy would interfere with their plan to bail out their bankers at the cost to the Greek people of their national treasures, pensions, and everything else that was not nailed down.
01:29 PM on 11/21/2011
In Greece they fixed it so you could retire at 50 and get a big fat pension. Then after you died you could leave it to your kids.
Insane.
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Gadgetman
No sense of humor? That's not funny!
10:49 AM on 11/03/2011
That's it Greece - NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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younggringos
my awesomeness cannot be described in a micro-bio
08:14 PM on 11/03/2011
So sayeth the Bank Naz1
02:32 PM on 11/04/2011
I have a nice SOUP for you and your sister,wife momma, CREAM of MALAKIA!!!


mmmmmmm delicious, jealousy bounce
Vyslichajici
private american citizen
10:36 AM on 11/03/2011
"Greece had 8 billion – Greece has lost 8 billion after having made a decision to put all these questions to a referendum," he told journalists. "That's a pity."

eight billion pieces of toilet paper. fiat currency is under assault. the national treasures of greece are priceless, and the people do not choose to be fleeced of them for a few paper shekels. the bankers are being too greedy, wishing to be made whole while the people of greece lose control of their country. greece is being invaded in a financial war. if papandreo is ousted, greece will burn in a civil war against the banks. better for the banks to renegotiate the bailout and restructure it in terms more favorable to greece.
10:35 AM on 11/03/2011
I tell you what, Greece needs to do what Iceland did, tell the Banks to go pound sand, and drop the euro.

It will take a year or so to dig out, but it beats being constantly bailed out on the backs of other people in the world, and also, they don't have to lose their sovereignty, by giving up infrastructure to the IMF.

People don't realize that this bailout is costing $1 trillion per $100 billion given.

This just goes to show that having a single currency is not good and a central bank even worse.
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Aarontastic
"Mr. Cain instead decided to try to provide her wi
10:59 AM on 11/03/2011
"This just goes to show that having a single currency is not good and a central bank even worse."

How did you come to that conclusion? This is not a problem of currency or central banks; it's a recession caused by deregulation and over-leveraging. The thing that most frightens the EU is the risk of financial contagion, and the central bank is the only thing standing in-between its constituent countries and another downturn.

Central banks have been around for a long time, and they are a force for good when managed properly. Single currency has been around even longer...if you're saying that those institutions are bad for the EU, though, then I agree. Having an economic union without more political integration is always going to backfire like this.
wolf2012
alive & well
11:40 AM on 11/03/2011
Iceland and Greece are completely different situations, which you obviously do not quite understand given your comment. Of course Greece can tell everyone go hike. But unlike Iceland Greece has received Billions over Billions from the EU (since they became member) and since the crisis the rest of Europe is paying their bills. So if anything, they are welcome to leave. And in case you haven't noticed the EU discussed how a greek collapse can be avoided, not to save their money (we have been paying anyway) but to get their house in order and protect the Greek citizen who, no doubt about it, ist the one who will suffer from a Greek default. The only thing that EU wants from Greece is to address their problems and telling them that they are not willing to pay their bills any longer until they mean business. Strangely enough the Greek do not even want a referendum (half of them said that) - well, maybe because it means taking responsibility and not just protest ... they seem to prefer the victim role ... sadly enough. The EU won't be affected much. The Euro-Zone (those countries in the EU that share a common currency) will be affected a bit more, especially some system relevant banks will have to be saved, but other than that I assure you, that the majority in Europe wants to get this over with and focus on other construction sites.
08:53 PM on 11/03/2011
You have everything completely wrong.

Iceland has everything to do with leading the world in the right thing to do, and yes, all this is affecting the Euro, and it is spreading, just look at italy, and the stocks over in Europe.

If you haven't noticed, Germany is leaving the Euro and going back to their home currancy as well.

I think you may need to go do a little more research. I'm not even going to waste more time on someone who knows nothing about the situation.
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kin1409
10:27 AM on 11/03/2011
The real problem is all the chinese crap everyone is buying. Wake up and tax the chinese!! They should bail out everyone.
wolf2012
alive & well
11:44 AM on 11/03/2011
As long as the "free market" works in favor of the USA all is good and dandy. And as soon as that changes we hear comments like this one ...
It's simple, Americans do not need to buy Chinese (at least not that much) - they choose to! You sound like someone who asks for a TV station to be penalized because you watch their program every night - and suffer.
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kin1409
02:05 PM on 11/03/2011
hey genius, America charges 2.5% tax on chinese imports and the chinese charge 25% tax on american imports. And yes Americans are forced to buy Chinese crap because the American equivalent is 5 times the price. Do some research before you open your mouth.
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ChrisTT
foodie, greenie, social democrat, entrepreneur
10:20 AM on 11/03/2011
I love how people suggest they should just pull an "Iceland".

You honestly think, they could just keep everything as it is, default on their 300 billion debt, turn around and sell bonds in their new currency to keep going? Yeah, right...

Greece needs help either way because they don't produce a darn thing. And they should get help. I h@te the fact that other countries aren't investing to help them.

What you fail to recongize, however, is that it's a country with horrible corruption and an administration that doesn't deserve to be called administration. There is no working cadastre for instance. Even if some German company wanted to build a solar power plant. There is huge legal uncertainty involved.

Greece is biblically messed up and who honestly thinks they'd keep working at that if all the pressure was suddenly gone and they could borrow cheap money again?

This is coming from someone who has done business in Greece by the way.
Vyslichajici
private american citizen
10:39 AM on 11/03/2011
siga, siga.
who cares if it is hard to do business? the sun will rise and set, the tides will roll.
global dominator cultures like days and seas, rise and fall. why give greece away?
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ChrisTT
foodie, greenie, social democrat, entrepreneur
10:44 AM on 11/03/2011
It's not like you need to create value (do business) in order to maintain your (humble) amount of wealth.

There'll always be some teat to suck on.
Transverseangle
To stay healthy, everything in mderation
12:05 PM on 11/03/2011
The corruption is doing them in. Same as here.
10:20 AM on 11/03/2011
I haven't looked at exchange rates recently but hopefully this means the dollar will strengthen a bit in comparison... eurotrips can be pretty damn expensive.
10:37 AM on 11/03/2011
The dollar will not strengthen when the inflation upon the dollar is so high.

Unless we have a President and Congress willing to make real cuts and changes to our governmental spending, and work towards paying down the debt, there is only one way the dollar will go, down.
12:45 PM on 11/03/2011
CLOSE OUR BASES AROUND THE WORLD! BOOM! Spending goes down significantly.
wolf2012
alive & well
11:47 AM on 11/03/2011
And why would that be good for the USA? The USA is most competitive when the dollar is low - not the other way around ...