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Idaho Online Class Requirement For High School Graduation Gets Board Approval

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JESSIE L. BONNER   11/ 3/11 09:13 PM ET   AP

BOISE, Idaho — Education officials on Thursday gave final approval to a plan that makes Idaho the first state in the nation to require high school students to take at least two credits online to graduate, despite heavy criticism of the plan at public hearings this summer.

The measure is part of a sweeping education overhaul that introduces teacher merit pay and phases in laptops for every high school teacher and student.

Proponents say the virtual classes will help the state save money and better prepare students for college. But opponents claim they'll replace teachers with computers and shift state taxpayer money to the out-of-state companies that will be tapped to provide the online curriculum and laptops.

The rule will apply to students entering the 9th grade in fall 2012. It goes before Idaho lawmakers for review in the 2012 session, which starts in January.

The education board gave the online graduation requirement its initial approval in September after heavy opposition was voiced this summer at public hearings across Idaho. Trustees collected more feedback during a 21-day public comment period last month.

"A majority of the comments felt there should not be an online learning requirement," said board member Don Soltman during the meeting.

Schools nationwide offer virtual classes, but just three states – Alabama, Florida and Michigan – have adopted rules since 2006 to require online learning, according to the International Association of K-12 Online Learning. The online rules vary from state to state, but Idaho would be the first to require two credits online.

The Idaho Education Association blasted the decision in a statement Thursday, saying the board "overruled the wishes of a majority of Idahoans and disregarded parental choice" by mandating the online credits.

To online learning advocates, the requirement seems reasonable. They say children need to be prepared for the world that awaits them after high school.

"There is still a live teacher. It may be at a distance, but that teacher is still instructing and interacting with the student," said Susan Patrick, president of the International Association for K-12 Online Learning, a Washington-based nonprofit.

Kendra Wisenbaker, 28, is among those questioning the Idaho plan.

"The poor kids are guinea pigs," said Wisenbaker, an elementary school teacher in Meridian, the state's largest school district.

Like many of her students, Wisenbaker is on Facebook, and she spends several hours a day online. But when it comes to requiring her tech-savvy kids to learn in a virtual classroom once they enter high school, Wisenbaker is among Idaho teachers who aren't so sure.

"I am a little conflicted, I am. It won't work for every kid, and I think requiring it is a horrible idea," said Wisenbaker, who also reasons that some students may thrive learning online. "But it shouldn't be an option for saving money," she said during an interview with The Associated Press.

In Idaho, members of the state Board of Education have said most of the opposition is directed at new education laws as a whole – not just the online requirements.

Nationwide, state legislatures tackled education policy this year and triggered protests from teachers over proposed changes to their collective bargaining rights, and how they are evaluated and paid. But Idaho has made some of the most sweeping changes, according to education experts.

The state is introducing teacher merit pay, limiting union bargaining rights and shifting money from salaries toward changes such as more classroom technology, as part of the changes backed by public schools chief Tom Luna and the governor.

The overhaul has drawn heavy criticism, including from educators. But to others, Luna is changing a system that was badly broken and they have commended him for restructuring how Idaho's scarce education dollars are spent.

A group seeking to recall Luna over the education changes failed to collect enough voter signatures earlier this year, but parents and teachers who want to overturn the new laws did meet a June deadline to put three repeal measures on the November 2012 ballot.

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11:59 PM on 11/06/2011
Welll... I can see the points being made... and they are concerning. The idea that we can shift learning or an education to (online) learning to reduce the price of teachers in the classroom is not a good one. Students need that hands on (immediate) availability to answer a question that an online class does not provide. And alll the googling in the world does not help. It also would encourage students to have (someone else) do the work or to (plagerize) by cut/paste anothers work. It would also remove children from the (group) and isolate them. Children do need each other to learn (how) to interact with others. Social skills cannot be learned online. Alternatively, I think that online learning is good as long as its for older children seeking support for higher leveled classes: including advanced classes. Many advanced students are (stuck) in the middle of the slow and the average. They become bored and then tend to distract. Increasingly funding for the Advanced children's learning program has been cut for disabled children. I am not saying that the disabled should not receive support. What I am saying is that there are limited funds and the states (a) either fund this program, or (b) we fund that one. There is no sharing of resources. Typically advanced courses are feeling the brunt of that sword. Hence its if they could access online progr. So, if one provides these services with regard to all; it makes sense.
05:18 PM on 11/06/2011
My daughter is taking AP Biology online this year. She is learning the material, but the defects in the material show (some material that is covered in the tests doesn't seem to be appropriately covered in the class material). I will say one thing for national standard on-line classes such as AP Biology - it may solve the anti-evolution issue in local schools.

I think the push for on-line classes is really a push to reduce costs and outsource a lot of education hiding behind a modernism argument. Of course the companies offering the on-line education will provide a lot of PR and marketing spin to cover what is really going on.

Online classes work well for students who are disciplined and are self-starters. It is probably the only way to offer advanced coursework in smaller schools and schools without large numbers of college bound children. I am not at all convinced that on-line classes work well for student who are not strongly disciplined and academically focused. I rather expect that a lot of students will fall by the wayside.
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SeptimusDSX
Always question the obvious.
11:19 PM on 11/06/2011
Well put. I could not have said it any better.
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tazmodious
Left Hand of Darkness
03:26 PM on 11/05/2011
Also, subjects like art, music and geography are literally being cut from the curriculum in may schools because they are not required under NCLB to be evaluated with annual standardized testing.

What then is the rationale for mandatory online learning if there is no NCLB testing requirment and other equally valuable subjects had to be cut due to NCLB?
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tazmodious
Left Hand of Darkness
03:18 PM on 11/05/2011
Serious questions worth considering. Will this be just another unfunded mandate foisted on schools by policy wonks with no connections to the classroom?

Schools are already functioning on bare bones budgets. If schools are laying off teachers and districts are being forced to close schools, where are they going to come up with the money to ensure all students have reasonable access to the technology? There're aren't many schools that can afford to upgrade and maintain the computers and internet connections they already have.

Has the State of Idaho run a pilot program and if so, what have been the results and what is the cost benefit analysis? Can they prove that this has improved learning? Again, government officials like to impose all sorts of new ideas, but rarely do they weigh in the costs and perform cohort trials to see if the idea has any merit.

There are just too many unanswered questions.
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madcityy
01:47 PM on 11/05/2011
THIS IS SOOOOOO RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
12:26 PM on 11/05/2011
Online classes are all well and good, but what if parents cannot afford a computer? Believe it or not, everyone does not own one. With the unemployment rate so high, where are parents going to get even $300. for a bottom of the line or used computer? To go to the library is prohibitive, I don't know about all libraries, but ours has a one hour time limit, and it automatically shuts down. What if a child is in the middle of an assignment? It will be lost. Borrow someones? Who is going to allow someone to use their computer at will?
Of course, this is something that those who have never think about.
12:34 PM on 11/05/2011
Sorry, forgot to add that I did read the article, and I know it says each student would be supplied a laptop, but really do you think that would come to fruition?
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Mr Anonymous
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09:34 AM on 11/07/2011
That won't ever happen. Can you think how much that would cost at around $500 per student for every high school student in the state as well as high school teachers. Then there's the problem of getting internet access to even be able to do the work. You need to think about where the state is located, there's a lot of places you can't even get cell service out there, so good luck with the internet.
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John Hunt
07:44 PM on 11/05/2011
Part of this plan is to supply each high school student with a laptop, but that is another contentious issue here in Idaho/
11:38 AM on 11/06/2011
Are they providing internet access as well? A laptop doesn't do a whole lot of good if they can't get online.
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KMel
11:04 AM on 11/05/2011
Why don't they just have the online classes run by the teachers in the school? Similar to colleges having their online classes run by their own professors. And don't almost all colleges have some form of an online class at this point? If they do it right, then they're not outsourcing... their just giving them a taste of what to expect in college.
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francisco cortes
09:36 AM on 11/05/2011
When i go back to college i will not take online math courses that's suicide and wrong i can take a history course online but a STEM course online i believed that's a stupid idea. If you see colleges these day they offer degrees online like history or education but a Physics, Chemistry or Math degree do you see them online? hell nooo!!!!
09:01 AM on 11/05/2011
tech execs themselves send their children to private schools that don't use ANY computers. They themselves claim that it hurts the development of critical thinking and socialization. This is beyond disgusting. It is immoral and unethical. We need to stop this before all of our future generations are subjected the these idiotic decisions that funnel money into the pockets of those who make these decisions. Our children ARE NOT up for sale nor should their futures be compromised when the wealthiest among us, know NOT to put their children in front of computers.
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lcr999
scientist
09:13 PM on 11/04/2011
This scheme has nothing to do with better education, or even saving money. It is about a way to funnel money to a private corporation. I wonder who got the biggest campaign contribution/bribe.
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Lloyd Harris
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04:27 PM on 11/04/2011
Taken lots of college courses. The ones I have learned the most from are the online classes...that's because I have to teach myself!!! I don't have a problem with online classes; what I do have a problem with are all those "teachers/professors" who take these jobs to make an extra buck, they irritate the hell out of me!! I don't need to be taking a class, where I am wondering if the "teacher/professor" passed away during the course of the semester. Other than that, I believe its a good thing.
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04:52 PM on 11/04/2011
Lloyd, excellent post. I teach online classes and I try to be active in the class everyday.

But, actually the students don't really need me. All they really need in my curriculum guide and syllabus. I am always available for questions. And I am always introducing new stuff, but exactly to your point, you do the learning.

For example, I teach a telecommunication law class, and this morning I found a new analysis of one the key supreme court cases, Red Lion. So I introduced this to the class this morning and asked them if they think it added to their understanding or not. And why or why not. The important point is telling me the answer to that question is not as important as them asking themselves the answer to that question.

Does this make sense?
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Lloyd Harris
Left handed, left footed, left winger
05:18 PM on 11/04/2011
I agree wholeheartedly with you! My only gripe was; when the need for guidance exist, there should be someone available in a timely manner, ready to assist. Also, you being involved as a professor, does lends the feeling of credibility.
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John Hunt
07:46 PM on 11/05/2011
Just can't get the taste of a bad teacher out of my mouth
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Lloyd Harris
Left handed, left footed, left winger
10:21 AM on 11/06/2011
Well, next time, try not to eat the teacher.
04:26 PM on 11/04/2011
There is nothing non-profit about this: somebody's making big bucks, and it ain't the teacher.
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BadHaBritt
Always looking for the broader perspective
03:21 PM on 11/04/2011
Everything even our schools education is open to being scammed for profit. We all know this is just dumb BS so why is it going through.
03:47 PM on 11/04/2011
This is the future. No more bricks and mortor. No more bus rides. Get used to it.
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BadHaBritt
Always looking for the broader perspective
04:34 PM on 11/04/2011
New is not necessarily progress. Get used to it then learn the finer points of education. It's benefits from a more personal interaction than making sausages.
08:45 AM on 11/06/2011
Yeah, along with the "dumb" phones and other technology. The average person is getting dumber and less informed with all of these gadgets. Not to mention less compassionate and social.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
03:08 PM on 11/04/2011
I am not against technology but the success or failure of its deployment depends largely on the aim behind what is visible. Most of what we see was set up by corporations for their sole benefit. Americans had higher levels of literacy prior to emergence of public education! Public education was set in motion primarily to create docile workers for emerging manufacturing corporations. The same system still exist except without those manufacturing jobs. ;-(

BTW, I am a big supporter of public education, the kind that actually educates. Most proposals to fix our education system are just part of corporate schemes. Wrong aims hardly ever produce lasting good results.
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dudervision
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01:45 PM on 11/04/2011
Having been involved in online learning for over 15 years (I also hold an MS in Education with an emphasis in online learning), I agree that there is great benefit to require high school students to take at least one class online. That said, all too often politicians think online classes will save all this money and end up skimping on the course development side resulting in an awful educational experience. Online classes DO require a lot more dedication and independent work than a traditional face to face class. But, if they are well designed AND TAUGHT by somebody with experience in teaching online classes TO TEENAGERS, they are very useful as they expose kids to an alternative to learning that will be more and more common in the future. The problem is, just like with traditional course, if you short change them...they can be worthless.
03:49 PM on 11/04/2011
I work in online education as well and applaud this comment. I've NEVER worked harder than I do now in my career as an online educator.
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09:45 AM on 11/05/2011
I took my first online course at age 34 last summer. It had been 8 years since I earned my BA, and prior to entering grad school I took an undergrad course online as a warm-up sort of thing. What I found that was missing the most was a viable class discussion. The discussion was simulated with a "post and reply to the post" method. Although I understood that this was supposed to emulate a class discussion, it failed; it was too limited to even come close to replicating a class discussion. Does a better method exist for simulating class discussion? Do you think the class could've been better designed?
Thanks!