NYPD Surveillance Angers Muslims (VIDEO)

After an undercover NYPD officer infiltrated their group at Brooklyn College, Muslim students there are learning to protect themselves. And dozens of similar "know your rights" seminars are being held across New York City following an AP report that revealed the police department's widespread surveillance of the Muslim population.

"We're doing what we believe we have to do to protect the city," NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said in August. "We see ourselves as very conscious and aware of civil liberties."

Comments

[nycsportsart]

12:55 PM on 11/22/2011

Councilman Peter Vallone may believe that the City Council cannot oversee the Intelligence activities of NYPD, which is unfortunate as he heads the Public Safety Committee, but that should not mean that the whole council agrees. Are we to have no checks & balances? Then we move towards a police state nested within our local democratic system.

[nycsportsart]

08:18 PM on 11/20/2011

No one should welcome surveillance or any aspect of the growth of the police state powers. Its not just cameras but how the laws change and how secret that is. Its not just NYPD having the capacity to shoot down planes but its increasing linkages with CIA. It's about accountability.

Folks, we all want to be safe but this is also about being smart. This is not just "Muslim issue."

[dbrett480]

07:10 PM on 11/16/2011

There is no civil liberties issue here. The surveillance was all done in public settings, so what's the problem?

[Toasty J]

11:51 AM on 11/12/2011

If I were a Muslim living in NYC, I would welcome surveillance with open arms.
In fact, please watch MY neighborhood with cameras.
I have nothing to hide, and it would only stop crime.

[JMeyerAZ]

11:24 AM on 11/12/2011

With improved technology and the three letter agencies watching everyone, you only need to worry if you are doing something wrong. Everyone gets angry once in a while , it's how individuals choose to use that anger that raises eyebrows.

[John Ramsey001]

08:44 PM on 11/11/2011

Well, we know what happens when muslims get angry.

[Demarcus Jackson]

12:56 AM on 11/12/2011

...you're serious...right? ...pathetic.

[Tolerant]

02:21 PM on 11/12/2011

"...what God possess is better and more enduring for those .... [who] forgive whenever they become angry..."

The Qur`an 42:36

The Qur`an, along with whatever was revealed to earlier prophets and messengers of God, are considered the Words of God by the Muslims, that is, those who have surrendered their selves unto God [alone].

[Joe Goforth]

01:58 PM on 11/11/2011

The government is watching everyone these days.

[xhawk2]

09:51 AM on 11/11/2011

If these Muslims had their way, Times Square would have been bombed.

[Demarcus Jackson]

12:58 AM on 11/12/2011

umm...just like if pro-life Christian extremists had their way, they would execute every doctor providing abortions...right?

[ManiKhawaja]

05:42 AM on 11/12/2011

Really? Then I suppose you didnt know that it was a Muslim vendor who alerted the police and prevented the bombing. Go on google it.

[Ahmed Ben Abbad]

02:05 PM on 11/10/2011

that's nasty of the NYPD, pushing ppl to live a life where they suspect every ones else could be an informer only serves pushing extremist ideologies to the hide instead of being confronted and refuted.

[jhnsmith454]

01:18 PM on 11/11/2011

I guess we should do nothing then by your logic. Give em complete freedom to do whatever and see what happens huh? Oh yeah we tried that and 9/11 happened.

[Tracy Kline]

07:02 PM on 11/12/2011

I'm split on this. On the one hand I'm a defender of civil liberties against the man. On the other Muslim extremists are notorious for terrorism where all other religions combined don't even come close to the amount of terrorism.

[BBLOND]

10:06 AM on 11/10/2011

too bad they are angry

[Sean Robsville]

10:15 AM on 11/10/2011

They are always angry about something or other: http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2007/02/the_list_of_thi.html

[Yasser Yousufi]

11:04 AM on 11/10/2011

......winds of fascism blowing slowly but surely

[Jan Allen McDaniel]

09:21 AM on 11/11/2011

In what way is pro-active resistance to Islamist attacks fascism?

In this case, fascism is a sloppy, low value and lazy historical reference.

Islamist advances and attacks will be met by resistance--some of it from extreme parts of Christianity and Judaism, most of it from Muslims and non Muslims who see a threat to liberal democracy in Islamist doctrine.

You expected otherwise?

[xhawk2]

09:52 AM on 11/11/2011

The only fascism I'm seeing is coming from the "peace activists."

[lightsout]

09:18 AM on 11/10/2011

Islam is not a religion - it's a political philosophy under the guise of a religion that was dreamed up by one man over the course of his lifetime and then recorded in a book - sort of like AHitler and his "Koran" titled, "Mien Kempf" describing his "religion" - The NaziParty. Whenever a religion preaches you need to convert or die - that's not a true religion.

[Sean Robsville]

10:13 AM on 11/10/2011

I agree. Islam is Nazism on steroids. Here's an excellent article on why Islam is not a religion and why we should stop treating it as such: http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/sobieskey/2009/03192009.htm

[jhnsmith454]

01:15 PM on 11/11/2011

Good link Sean. Glad to see I am not the only one seeing islum for what it is.

[Demarcus Jackson]

01:02 AM on 11/12/2011

Christianity is not a religion - it's a political philosophy under the guise of a religion that was dreamed up by many men over the course of their lifetimes and then recorded in a book - sort of like AHitler and his "Koran" titled, "Mien Kempf" describing his "religion" - The NaziParty. Whenever a religion preaches you need to convert or die - that's not a true religion.

See how easy that was to refute. Fool.

[lightsout]

08:40 AM on 11/12/2011

The real fools are kneeling on prayer rugs five times a day.

[Jan Allen McDaniel]

08:55 AM on 11/10/2011

Islam in America is a work in progress and it is in trouble.

How it turns out is largely up to American Muslims.

America has a long history of welcoming immigrants who demonstrate that they want to become culturally American while retaining ties to their former culture only to the extent that their former culture's values do not conflict with American values.

It's not clear yet how many American Muslims want to do that.

What is clear is that some do:

http://www.aifdemocracy.org/

and some don't:

"A Muslim is not allowed to participate in an Islamicly unjust war," the Texan told ABCNews.com. "Any Muslim who knows his religion or maybe takes into account what his religion says can find out very clearly why he should not participate in the U.S. military."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/muslim-soldier-hoping-avoid-deployment-faith-conflicts-service/story?id=11514381

Surveillance, profiling, ghettoization, charges of Islamophobia over inconsequential friction, Muslim attacks on non Muslims for religious reasons, refusal to serve in the armed forces--all these are signs of Muslim failure as immigrants.

They are not signs that America has suddenly become a country that is hostile to legal immigrants.

[Sean Robsville]

10:03 AM on 11/10/2011

"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant." - CAIR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_American-Islamic_Relations

[Jan Allen McDaniel]

10:31 AM on 11/10/2011

That quote by Omar Ahmad has a long pedigree in Sharia law:

“Book 45, Number 45.5.18:

Malik said that Ibn Shihab said, ''Umar ibn al-Khattab searched for informatio­n about that until he was absolutely convinced that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, had said, 'Two deens shall not co-exist in the Arabian Peninsula,­' and he therefore expelled the jews from Khaybar."

Translatio­n cached at the Center for Jewish-Mus­lim Engagement­, University of Southern California

http://crcc.usc.edu/initiatives/cmje/”

"It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim."

Book 019, Number 4363

“You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle”

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/hadith/muslim/019.smt.html#019.4363

More recently, Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi confirmed the goal of Islamic political domination:

"‘Alamiyya­­t al-Islam, the principle in fiqh al-aqalliy­­yat that declares Islam to be a global religion meant to encompass the entire world, provides the basis for answering these questions.

The world is divided into two parts, separated only by time: the lands under Muslim rule and those which will eventually receive the Islamic dawa and come under Muslim rule. page 4

http://www­.currenttr­ends.org/d­ocLib/2006­1018_Mono­graphFishm­an2.pdf”

[Skeptic261054]

07:55 AM on 11/11/2011

"Islam in America is a work in progress and it is in trouble."

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Islam is just fine, thank you very much!

"They want to blow out God's light with their mouths while God refuses [everything] except that His light must be perfected, no matter how disbelievers may hate it." - Al-Quran

With the rest of your comments in this thread, you present only a small part of the picture.

Muslims have died serving America. They are also serving their country in law enforcement agencies and the CIA. One Muslim woman who worked for the CIA was on CNN the other night.

Many terrorist plots have been thwarted because the Muslims reported them to the authorities.

Just because a glass is a little bit empty, doesn't mean that it's not mostly full.

[Jan Allen McDaniel]

08:52 AM on 11/11/2011

Islam is just fine, thank you very much!
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Islam is just exactly where America was just prior to its Civil War. Islamists are killing and intimidating non Islamist Muslims right now just as Southern slavers were killing anti-slavery Americans--without resistance--prior to the appearance of John Brown.

Americans were forced to choose between racist slavery and equal human rights.

Muslims are being forced to choose between the human rights regime embodied in the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the conflicting regime embodied in the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam. I political terms, it is a choice between government based on liberal democracy and government based on Sharia law—the ideological center of the conflicts known as the Arab Spring.

You correctly cite examples of American Muslims who have chosen UDHR side in the conflict. I have already acknowledged that they exist.

I'll add that I admire their bravery and frequently urge non Muslims to recognize and support them as allies in the war against Islamism, formerly known as the war against terrorism.

May I ask which regime of human rights you prefer?

[freethnkr88]

03:00 AM on 11/10/2011

look I'm going to post something i said to one of the jerk off commentators at the bottom. Before I post it let me be clear on my take of religion and Islam. Religion is man made kaka. Islam no doubt has followers who would hurt/kill/murder in cold blood for Al.(allah i like to call him al.) But other religions have followers that do the same. If your going to criticize one absurd faith you better criticize them all. here is the statement " see if the christian colonizati­on of america wasn't responsibl­e for the genocide of over 16 million NATIVE americans (you know the guys who actually owned the land before you came and raped the women and childeran and forced them to convert, while tearing down their worship centers) then you would be making sense. The majority of the US prison system is full of christians­, a minority or other religious faiths and non believers are actually "under represente­d". If anything with all the anti-gay marriage hate and molestatio­n of children not to mention the bombing of abortion clinics (which you guys really dont speak out against at all whatsoever­) and christian leaders getting involved in politics I think you guys should be put under surveillance." this statement might seem harsh but the post warranted it. I know not all Muslims and Christians are "bad". Just a small minority on each side but like I said give equal criticism.

[Sean Robsville]

04:15 AM on 11/10/2011

Don't try and muddle the argument.

No one is denying that followers of other religions have done bad things in the past, and isolated extreme followers still do sporadically. But the terrorism, supremacism and predatory expansionism typical of Islam are systematic and mainstream, and are at root of the ideology.

Mohammed bragged 'I have been made victorious with terror' , and Mohammed is the 'Perfect Man' and role model for all Muslims for all time. So terrorism in all its forms is perfectly justified if it is carried out to advance Islam.

Similarly, there are a disproportionate number of pedophiles in the Catholic priesthood, but pedophilia isn't the official policy of the Catholic church. However pedophilia is institutionalised in Islam, because the 'Perfect Man' performed Mufa Khathat on Aisha when she was six years old, with full intercourse when she was nine.

So as regards the comparison of loony evangelists and the Catholic hierarchy with Islam, my views are similar to those of Professor Richard Dawkins... http://seanrobsville.blogspot.com/2011/05/greatest-man-made-force-for-evil-in.html

[ManiKhawaja]

05:45 AM on 11/12/2011

Mohammad married Aisha when she was ATLEAST fifteen years of age.

[Tracy Kline]

07:05 PM on 11/12/2011

Agreed. Pointing the the past of other religions is a red herring. The reality we are dealing with is religion in the 21st century.

And Islam has refused to pacify with the other religions.

[Jan Allen McDaniel]

07:53 AM on 11/10/2011

You seem to think that decency prohibits criticism of a single religion without reference to the sins of other religions. You say this is true because all religions are manmade and all religions have bad minorities.

Enlarge the scope of this logic and you will see its absurdity.

Criminal individuals cannot be tried and convicted because others have committed the same crime and are not being punished in this trial?

One of your children can't be disciplined because another of you children has broken rules too?

Please.

[Abdul-Halim Vazquez]

01:09 PM on 11/10/2011

Your analogy doesn't hold. You aren't conducting a trial. A trial has rules of evidence, a careful procedure. The accused has rights which must be guaranteed. He or she is considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. And if the justice system is fair, we actually WOULD expect that two different defendants who had commited similar crimes would receive similar consequences.

[ttsgw]

11:30 PM on 11/09/2011

So did KGB, STASI, et.al

[quadblissfulness]

11:17 PM on 11/09/2011

wonder which one of those mosques timothy mcveigh was a member of...

[jsehgal]

08:42 AM on 11/10/2011

9/11
Fort Hood
You want me to go on?

[freethnkr88]

04:36 AM on 11/11/2011

slaughter of the native americans
slavery
lynching
beating gays to death
want me to go on?