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IEA Report On Climate Change Sees Bleak Future Without Policy Shifts, More Nuclear Power

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First Posted: 11/ 9/2011 6:45 pm Updated: 01/ 9/2012 5:12 am

The International Energy Agency suggested Tuesday that global governments were guiding humanity toward a bleak future of wanton pollution, fossil-fuel dependency and high energy prices. Without bold policy shifts, including a renewed embrace of nuclear power, the intergovernmental group said in its latest annual energy outlook that the world's economies are in danger of yoking themselves to a high-carbon infrastructure, making it far more difficult -- and expensive -- to meet energy security goals.

In an echo of earlier warnings from the United Nations, the IEA, which serves to advise 28 industrialized nations on energy markets and policy, also suggested that the window of opportunity is fast closing to curb greenhouse gas emissions enough to limit long-term global average temperature increases to 2-degrees Celsius, the target informally agreed to at the Copenhagen climate summit in 2009.

Many scientists believe the 2-degree goal is crucial for preventing runaway and irreversible impacts of climate change.

"Governments need to introduce stronger measures to drive investment in efficient and low-carbon technologies," said IEA's executive director, Maria van der Hoeven, in a prepared statement. "The Fukushima nuclear accident, the turmoil in parts of the Middle East and North Africa and a sharp rebound in energy demand in 2010, which pushed CO2 emissions to a record high, highlight the urgency and the scale of the challenge."

The world's existing CO2-belching power plants and industries already account for 80 percent of the "budget" of emissions that would be necessary to keep temperatures from rising beyond the 2-degree Celsius goal, the agency found. If nothing changes, that figure will hit 90 percent by 2017, leaving little room to maneuver and ensuring a much warmer world.

"This would be a catastrophe for the planet," said Fatih Birol, the IEA's chief economist, in a telephone interview. Birol said an internationally binding agreement on carbon reductions was imperative to averting such an outcome. "Unfortunately, it looks like that is unlikely, because many countries have different preoccupations," he said.

In particular, the agency warned that the current political aversion to new nuclear power development, which arose in the wake of the post-tsunami meltdown at a multi-reactor nuclear facility in Japan this spring, would drive further dependence on fossil fuels, pushing up prices and foiling efforts to curb greenhouse gas emissions. "Our analysis showed that a lower nuclear future would be bad news for energy security," Birol said.

Amid expanding energy demand, a lack of nuclear power would necessarily be met in part by more carbon-intensive sources like coal and natural gas, he added, and while increasing support for renewables and energy efficiency is important, such measures will ultimately prove insufficient, given the climate imperatives facing the planet.

"Renewables cannot make it alone," he said. "It is not enough."

Several countries have been rethinking their reliance on nuclear power in the wake of the meltdown at the Fukushima nuclear facility. Germany has shuttered more than a dozen of its nuclear power plants, and other countries, including the U.S., have been reassessing nuclear expansion plans. In a worst-case scenario imagined by the IEA, industrialized nations would build no new nuclear plants and developing nations would develop only half the number of nuclear facilities currently on the drawing board. In such a scenario, the organization reported, the increase in global coal demand would be roughly double Australia's current steam coal exports. The rise in gas demand, the report found, would be "equivalent to two-thirds of Russia's current natural gas exports."

While many of the conclusions drawn by the IEA, particularly those relating to renewable power development and conservation, dovetail with positions held by prominent environmental and clean-energy advocacy groups, its position on nuclear power drew quick condemnations.

"The IEA's report reflects what Greenpeace has been saying for years -- the increase in average global temperature must be kept to 2-degrees Celsius," said the senior energy campaigner for Greenpeace International, Sven Teske, in an emailed statement. Teske said he also welcomed the report's emphasis on renewable power and energy efficiency.

"However," he added, "the IEA is once again putting politics ahead of science by suggesting that a reduction in nuclear power will lead to higher energy costs and emissions -- the opposite is the case. A combination of energy efficiency and renewables would be the way forward and could lead to a complete phase-out of nuclear power by 2035, while lowering electricity costs and carbon emissions."

The IEA analysis examined three scenarios: one in which the status quo is maintained; another in which new policies are implemented, albeit cautiously; and a third in which aggressive new efforts toward energy conservation and renewable power development are pursued and global average temperature increases are kept to 2-degrees Celsius or below. The middle scenario, which forms the foundation of the new analysis, would still bring about substantial increases in global fossil fuel use and carbon dioxide emissions, leading to expected temperature increases of more than 3.5-degrees Celsius.

A business-as-usual scenario, in which new policy actions are not pursued, could result in global average temperature increases of 6-degrees Celsius or more over the next several decades.

"The wide difference in outcomes between these three scenarios underlines the critical role of governments to define the objectives and implement the policies necessary to shape our energy future," the IEA report concluded.

To illustrate that point, the researchers noted that under a business-as-usual scenario, estimated coal use would rise by 65 percent by 2035. If modest new policies are implemented, that could be reduced to 25 percent growth over the same period. The most aggressive carbon-reduction scenario would see coal use rise until 2020, and then begin to fall. "The range of projections for coal demand in 2035 across the three scenarios is nearly as large as total world coal demand in 2009," the analysis noted. "The implications of policy and technology choices for the global climate are huge."

The agency estimated that, under the middle scenario, fossil fuels would fall as a share of the global energy mix over the next 25 years, from 81 percent currently to about 75 percent in 2035. The share of renewables over the same time period would grow to 18 percent of the mix, from about 13 percent today. But the growth in renewables will depend in large part on increases in subsidies, which the IEA suggested would need to increase from $64 billion currently to $250 billion in 2035.

Today, global subsidies for fossil fuels total about $409 billion, dwarfing those directed and renewable technologies.

But such policy adjustments are by no means guaranteed, Birol warned. "As each year passes without clear signals to drive investment in clean energy," he said in a statement, "the 'lock-in' of high-carbon infrastructure is making it harder and more expensive to meet our energy security and climate goals."

CORRECTION: A previous version of this story incorrectly gave Fatih Birol's first name as "Faith."
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06:24 AM on 01/01/2012
“But the point is that, far-fetched as it may seem to some, C02 may be another Sword of Damocles that hangs over our industrial society, and that may end the fossil fuel era much sooner than would be expected simply from depletion of coal. Above all it injects a somber note of uncertainty into our energy future, one that we ignore at our peril. I believe it is time for our political people to recognize this possibility. I do not believe it premature for the appropriate United Nations agency to form a group of international experts who can better define the C02 problem, assess global and national consequences, and propose credible responses.”

(Excerpt from a speech given by Dr Alvin M Weinberg titled Toward an Acceptable Nuclear Future presented on May 5, 1977. Source: Towards an Acceptable Nuclear Future – Alvin Weinberg)

http://nucleargreen.blogspot.com/2011/02/alvin-weinberg-history-of-molten-salt.html

http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/11/9/motherboard-tv-the-thorium-dream

Read Dr. Hansen's letter to President Obama

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2008/20081121_Obama.pdf

The Dali Lama proposes a role for Nuclear Power in managing the Climate Change.

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2011/11/07/dalai-lama-a-role-for-nuclear-power-in-development-process/
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aligatorhardt
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05:49 PM on 11/20/2011
The IEA is a salesman for nuclear power, so of course they try to sell their product. Nuclear power is not carbon free by any means, with mining operations run on fossil fuels, transportation of fuels and reliance on diesel backup generators. Nuclear power is a huge user of fresh water, and leaves temperature increases that damage marine organisms and in times of high heat must reduce output for lack of sufficient cooling. The economic costs of nuclear power are too high as well, when the real price is seen. New facilities are being quoted as high as 34 c/kwh.  Price quoted from out of the past are not relavent for reactors built today. New reactors take 8 years or more to come online, and renewable energy can be installed much quicker.  It has become apparent that wishful thinking alone is no way to guarantee the safety of populations near nuclear power. We can no longer allow reactors to be built near cities or on earthquake faults and other dangerous areas. Wind power is much cheaper than nuclear power and solar power is also cheaper. The nuclear waste issue has not been resolved, and no country in the world has found a suitable place to permanently store the waste products. We hear about thorium reactors offering some improvements, but still intend to use uranium and plutonium as well so many of the same waste concerns are not resolved. In the long run, only renewable energy can be relied on to continue to provide safe and economical power into the future, without the health and environmental damages of traditional power systems. No large widespread disasters are possible with wind, solar, wave or tidal power. Even large dams have a better safety record than nuclear power.

Renewable energy is ready and fully capable of providing all our electricity needs. All that is required is to stop stalling, stop protecting vested interests in fossil fuels and nuclear power and get with the installations.    Study: Shifting the world to 100% clean, renewable energy by 2030 – here are the numbers

Stunner: New Nuclear Costs as Much as German Solar Power Today — and Up to $0.34/kWh in 2018 | ThinkProgress

No Nukes, No Problem? Germany's Race for a Renewable Future | Renewable Energy News Article
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Michael Mann
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07:05 PM on 11/20/2011
IEA is for reliable, safe, clean, energy from whatever source. It just so happens nuclear energy is the best choice.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
05:01 PM on 11/22/2011
Great links! Thanks! Nukes get huge subsidies equal to some 500M$ per year per reactor. http://www.globalsubsidies.org/en/subsidy-watch/commentary/gambling-nuclear-power-how-public-money-fuels-industry
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
03:50 PM on 11/17/2011
Looks like only the paid nuke shills have the time to keep posting here.
04:37 PM on 11/17/2011
Undisclosed financial connections, if they amount to conflicts of interest, are a bad thing, and if you can demonstrate their existence in any particular case, you should. Otherwise, it sounds as if you are attempting defamation against a class of posters merely because they disagree with you.

For instance, do you know of anyone posting against nuclear energy who has a government income? If you know one such person's pseudonym, feel free to post that.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/PublicHealthPolicy/EnvironmentalHealth/29751
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:13 PM on 11/18/2011
Really? With all of us here being anonymous?
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
05:50 PM on 11/20/2011
They are revealed by their false statements, and their denial of the obvious.
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Michael Mann
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07:00 PM on 11/20/2011
Genders, So you admit you are a paid shill? Who is paying you? Is it the explosive "natural" gas industry or the dirty coal industry?
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
05:02 PM on 11/22/2011
Have you ever heard my recommend coal or gas or oil? No. Green energy doesn't have the trillions that the nuke industry has.
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nellre
growth is not sustainable
10:15 AM on 11/16/2011
when you compare methods of power generation, do not compare nuclear with solar (etc)... compare nuclear with coal.
In terms of safety, environmental impact and cost, nuclear is the answer. If we abandon this option there is no hope.
07:29 PM on 11/16/2011
Right. And also with natural gas. It costs more per unit heat than coal, I think, and about 14 times more on that basis than uranium.
07:30 PM on 11/16/2011
... except for the part about no hope. We're a lot better off with fission than without it, but if a natural gas fairy had a wand with which to make it impossible, we'd still get by somehow.
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Michael Mann
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11:57 AM on 11/14/2011
Nuclear energy is actually safer, with less environmental impact per megawatt produced as well as more reliable than other alternatives to dirty fossil fuels. Nuclear power is as natural as any power source, the Oklo reactors operated millions of years ago for thousands of years, the thorium/uranium reactions deep within the Earth are most probably responsible for the conditions which make it habitable. To say nuclear energy is unnatural is just not correct.
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ShamsT
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06:42 PM on 11/14/2011
Good post Michael!

Many people were taught to have a hysterical fear of radiation along with nuclear power through decades of propaganda associated with the Cold War. It's gratifying to see posts that provide people with factual information that goes a long way towards dispelling that fear.

The truth is that nuclear power is safe and our future depends on it. Not only must we continue to use nuclear power but we must expand it's use for a prosperous economy and to protect our national security.
09:01 PM on 11/13/2011
It is time to transition to safe, clean alternative energy. Wind, solar, wave energy, geothermal and second generation biofuels made from algae, cellulose and waste are the future. The world produces a lot of trash every day. This trash can now be turned into fuel, energy and raw material for future products. This is much more sustainable.

The cost of oil, coal and nuclear keep rising in cost and environmental damage. The price of wind and solar keep dropping every years with advances in technology and increasing economies of scale.
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08:38 PM on 11/12/2011
We have way to many posts in these forums from people who are ideologically opposed to positions that we support. I do not mind the fact that they are opposed but I do mind that they lie! The facts(?) that they post are nonexistent or are outright lies! The fact is that if we do not change our methods of producing power we will cease to exist!
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FaunaAndFlora
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10:23 PM on 11/12/2011
Although I'm no fan of nuclear energy, I agree that we need to change the way we produce power and that too many people on the anti-nuke side use insults and fabrications to support their point of view. I also believe that we will cease to exist if we don't start looking at power and how we live on this planet in new ways. Peace.
12:54 AM on 11/13/2011
Fukushima is not a fabrication. It's a nuclear disaster. When you think of how much that will cost, which will probably end up in the trillions of dollars... It's already in the billions. How many solar panels do you think we could install for a billion dollars? How many for a trillion dollars? Nuclear power is a bad idea.
12:14 PM on 11/13/2011
"...who are ideologica­lly opposed to positions that we support..."

Who is we and what are those positions? A bit presumptive wouldn't you say?
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Michael Mann
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12:02 PM on 11/14/2011
@markkocaldo, I may be a bit presumptive but I think the two positions are; fact based science vs. faith based, feel good rhetoric...
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alvdh1
02:05 PM on 11/14/2011
That would be the majority of the following countries. America, Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Mexico, most of South America, All of Africa, Belgium, Holland. I can name more but you get the point.

Because of perpetual cost overruns, toxic legacy, cancer, genetic disease, long term waste storage, proliferation, dirty bombs, terrorists, transportation of toxic legacy becoming an article of commerce or accidents or terrorist events.
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fireofenergy
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09:52 PM on 11/11/2011
There are essentially two kinds of nuclear... The once through and the closed cycle.
The once through cycle currently being used relies upon pressurizing water so it does not boil, thus retaining more heat and efficiency. But it is NOT efficient! Uranium needs to be enriched, thus the remaining 96% or so is "depleted". Out of that, only about 1% is fissioned as the cladding that holds the pellets become "poisoned" by the mix. This once through also creates lots of wastes that remain radioactive for hundreds of thousands of years because like 99% of it is unused. Ironically, it is called "spent fuel". Nowonder "everybody "hates nuclear"...

The closed cycle uses (or should use) a molten metal or salt solution. No pressurized water (that likes to blow if left unchecked), no enrichment (thus greatly expanding the efficiency of a given amount of fuel) and thus no chance of meltdown (because its already melted). Thorium (which is 4 times as abundant as uranium) should also be used (most preferably). Since the molten mix fissions about 99 x more efficiently, the wastes remain radioactive for only about 300 years (and there is so much less of it!). LFTR and the IFR would incure very little costs and thus have been deemed unprofitable by those who want to enforce their money making clutches upon us all.
Funding has been cut from both programs AFTER they were scientifically proven :(
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
06:26 PM on 11/13/2011
Same old nonsense. Every kWh generates the same amount of fission products. After a thousand years or so, indeed they have decayed away, but while they're around, they are deeply unpleasant to be with. A conventional reactor keeps almost all of the nasty stuff inside the fuel rods, until it goes wrong. A molten salt reactor is suffused throughout with the crud, or else the crud is separated and kept somewhere that must be actively cooled.

Swap Fukushima for Mayak?
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fireofenergy
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07:02 PM on 11/13/2011
Every kWh does NOT generate the same amount of fission products because the molten salt reactor is about 100 TIMES more efficient. In fact, LFTR's should be used to clean up the LWR's mess. No one (who doesn't want "spent" wastes laying around) can argue that!
Wastes from the closed cycle last only 1/500th as long, no nonsense!
A conventional reactor (LWR) keeps nasty stuff inside. Right... until something goes wrong, then up to 100 times the nasty stuff goes into the air, because it takes 100 times that just to get the same amount of kWh... Ya, no nonsense. Don't believe me, look it up in wiki...
Besides, at ORNL, they walked away from it every weekend, something you can not do with a LWR!
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04:08 PM on 11/14/2011
Wrong. The fission products that are routinely extracted from the fuel of a LFTR do not require active cooling. They are extracted and diluted by additional fluoride salts that have a low eutectic. Their decay heat keeps them liquid so that they can cool convectively in holding tanks without active cooling. So long as the fission products need cooling, their decay heat insures that they remain liquid so that gravity can drive the convection required to provide that passive cooling.

You seem to imply that fuel rods are a better storage place for fission products than fluoride salts....that is ridiculous.
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04:51 PM on 11/14/2011
Points for enthusiasm, but some of your details are a little off.

The separation between enriched and depleted uranium is in the region of 1:9. So for each 10 tons of uranium, 10% goes to fuel and 90% is left as depleted.

Of the fuel itself, about 5-10% is fissioned. Some of the fission is U-235, and some is Pu-239 that is generated from U-238 in-reactor. The cladding doesn't become poisoned; the fission products building up in the fuel itself do that. However the fuel is also "spent" (exhausted) partly because there is simply less fissionable material left.

The long-term radioactivity - which is, of course relatively modest in intensity or it wouldn't last that long - is mostly due to the heavy elements (actinides) generated, rather than fission products, which only stay more radioactive than uranium ore for the 300-odd years you mention.

Closed cycle refers to reprocessing. This means that the fission products are removed and the actinides reused in fuel. This could in principle be done as you say, with continuous fuel processing, or done as the French do today, with batch processing of spent fuel.

What you are looking for - and in the the molten salt reactors have probably found - is a breeder reactor. This turns fertile material (like U-238 or Th-232) into fissile material (Pu-239 or U-233) faster than it burns up the original fissile material (eg U-235).
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Michael Mann
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06:35 PM on 11/11/2011
The energy density of nuclear energy is what will ultimately provide a higher standard of living for the human race. LFTR's have the capability to change the world!
http://thoriumremix.com/2011/
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alvdh1
02:14 PM on 11/12/2011
The toxic legacy along with its cancer inducing properties from operating nuclear power poison factories will be its ultimate demise. This is termed clean by the clever merchants of nuclear power poison factories according to nuclear non-educator and nuclear sycophant Michael Mann.

http://www.ratical.com/radiation/CNR/fission.html
02:03 AM on 11/13/2011
ratical is a low information junk science spewing activist organization. No credible science there.
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Silken17
Just a hare in your soup
02:08 AM on 11/13/2011
Michael Mann is truthful and knows what he is talking about. That is much more than I can say for you.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
03:06 PM on 11/11/2011
Pathetic. Nukes don't stop climate change, they at best slow it down.

The only viable technology to reduce and reverse climate change is waste bio char.

Nukes and clean coal are by far the most expensive energy technologies we have.

rooftop solar is cheaper, and getting cheaper all the time.

Offshore wind is half that and perfect for coastal cities,

and waste bio char and bio fuels are half that again and close the loop, end dumping, and recycling our valuable metals.

Solar wind and waste can supply far more energy than fossil and nukes, forever, 24/7, clean, safe, and cheaper than nukes and clean coal.

The IEA has already admitted to pressure from the pro nuke and fossil USA to change it's forecast and numbers, and those numbers are no considered widely unrealistic.
03:48 PM on 11/11/2011
Nuclear at 3 cents a kwh is of course the cheapest and cleanest energy there is.

Here's an example of load following nuke plant that is cheaper than filthy, deadly air polluting coal,gas and firewood burners it replaces.

Cost is low because scores of them have been built all to the best in the world standards of Canadian engineers and regulators. The last seven were built in 4 years or less and on budget at $2B/Gw or less than 3 cents a kwh when the 1.5 cent a kwh fuel and O&M cost is included.

Filthy deadly air polluting waste biofuels really are compost necessary to maintain soil and recyclables. What's left can supply only a tiny amount of energy.

Solar is currently 70 cents a kwh with 10 times sized transmission builds backed up by filthy gas plant producing far more GHG's than the solar saves.

NREL data shows rooftop PV can supply at most 3% of the nations energy needs.

Feedin tariff for offshore Cape Wind is rising to 34 cents a kwh.

A fossil to nuclear conversion over ten years is well within our idle industrial capacity with rates of return of 40% per annum to the nation as a whole. A fossil to renewable conversion utterly impossible financially, industrially, and politically.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:03 PM on 11/11/2011
Marcado will list ridiculous solar numbers with storage for rooftop systems, 99% of which have no storage. Even then his numbers must be for settle or where his head is, because SolarBuzz, the most pessimisti­c of the solar market research companies, lists 15-30 cents per KWH for sunny areas, which is where I propose installing solar. 

That is based on the most expensive panels purchase 1 at a time retail, then assuming the modules are 40% of the costs of an installed system. The other reference I gave you shows this is 3 times higher than the best and most recent panels costs. The residentia­l also include batteries and chargers when 99% of installed systems have none. They are using 7$ residentia­l, 5$ commercial­, and 4$ utility, when the reported numbers are more like 5$ residentia­l, 3.5$ commercial and 2$ utility for new installati­ons. 

They do not release how they calculate the cost per KWH. they used to and it was 15 years, 8$ interest.

He is not honest, nor serious.

None of his numbers are correct. Please ask if you need any of them refuted.
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fireofenergy
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10:02 PM on 11/11/2011
I need to point out that I also promote solar... but it needs to be made in robotic factories without much profit! Sadly, "they" only fund the expensive companies (which thus goes bankrupt).
Either way, solar and closed cycle nuclear requires that we MUST develop a robotic factory that mass produces the LiFePO4 battery (it's simply the best!)... But "lawmakers" ensure that only China gets to manufacture as proven by the inability of industry because of sickening regulations, fees, silly enviro stuff, nimbyism, big business lobbying against, etc.
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04:24 PM on 11/11/2011
Hang on a minute there. I'm all for the development of renewables like wind and solar and I've never for a moment bought the propaganda being shovelled out about "clean coal" but there have been some strong arguments made by Hansen and Lovelock in favour of nuclear energy. Consider:
http://www.treehugger.com/treehugger-radio/nasas-james-hansen-on-climate-change-and-intergenerational-justice-podcast.html
http://www.ecolo.org/lovelock/loveprefaceen.htm
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:00 PM on 11/11/2011
Whoopee, some environmentalists have been propagandized into thinking nukes are the only alternative.

Lovelock has publicly said that waste bio char is the ONLY answer, and that nukes may be an appropriate choice of the UK, BUT not the rest of the world. Way to go misquoting him.

There is one way we could save ourselves, and that is through the massive burial of charcoal.
James Lovelock
http://environmentalresearchweb.org/blog/2009/10/the-biochar-debate.html
08:21 PM on 11/12/2011
Actually Lovelock said no such thing. Genders is making it all up as he goes along as usual.

Here's some real Lovelock

James Lovelock, the world's foremost environmentalist:

"...Windfarms won't cut it at all," he said. "It's better than doing nothing, but it's absurd, just gestures. Time is of the essence..."

"...Nuclear Power is the only green solution..."

http://www.ecolo.org/lovelock/lovelock-wind-power.html

James Lovelock calls Nuclear Energy "The Natural Energy of the Universe":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOaDY13bI84&feature=player_embedded

Quote from above: "...we should not be wasting time with attempts like sustainable development, renewable energy, and so on..."
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02:29 PM on 11/11/2011
THorium is on the way

http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/11/9/motherboard-tv-the-thorium-dream
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
06:32 PM on 11/11/2011
There is enough thorium to provide carbon free energy, safely for the next several millennium, if we start building Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors we can save the environment and the human race can live long and prosper!
http://thoriumremix.com/2011/
http://www.thoriumenergyalliance.com/
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
01:01 AM on 11/12/2011
Sounds like a Free Lunch to me, as in "there's no such thing". Sure, it looks good on paper, but it's going to take a few decades to get such reactors up and running and they may still prove to be boondoggles. (When something sounds too good to be true it usually is too good to be true.) Personally, I'd rather use that time and money developing renewable sources of energy like wind, water, sun and geothermal, as well as sewage and other waste.
08:22 PM on 11/12/2011
Actually India has a 500MW fast breeder (closed cycle) reactor on the grid next year - first of 5 for 2020
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Michael Mann
Nuclear Educator
09:08 AM on 11/11/2011
Nuclear power plants in the USA have better capacity factors today than when they were first built... (over 90%) this seems to indicate some pretty good maintenance. OSHA shows it's safer to work in a nuclear power plant than a bank!
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silverwolf13
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11:47 PM on 11/10/2011
Yes, nuclear power is safe, IF the plant is well maintained. Unfortunately, maintenance seems to be always the first place to save money. Plus, in the US, nuclear plants cannot get financing without government guarantees. And, by federal statute, owner liability is limilted. In other words, nuclear power is not able to exist in this country without subsidies. And then there is the question of what to do with the nuclear waste.

It would be cheaper to build windfarms and install rooftop solar than to go through the expense of permitting and building new nuclear reactors.
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Atoms4Peace1
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03:05 AM on 11/11/2011
Ive been involved in the nuclear enterprise for over 30 years now.

I think its best days are yet to come.
04:08 PM on 11/11/2011
Bunch'a of Big Oil propaganda dutifully recited.

The US nuclear industry has a far better maintenance record than any other American industries including deadly million + dead LNG, chemical and hydro facilities.

Of the 6 nuke plants under construction in the US only two have loan guarantees. Efficient public and private operators like TVA need no loan guarantees producing new first of kind nuke power at 4 cents a kwh.

The US nuclear industry has 10 times the insurance of any other industry - $20B in a fund to date - against an impossible accident. Can you imagine what the insurance cost would be if we could sue Big Coal/Oil for all their air pollution deaths. There would be no wind/solar power without that dangerous filthy gas backup

Nuke power plants are presently responsible for storing their own waste but have also paid $40B into a fund for a central waste disposal facility.

All the worlds nuclear waste less than a football field buried 40 feet deep is fuel enough to power the world for hundreds of years while being destroyed in gen IV reactors.

Cape Wind at 34 cents a kwh has been trying to get past the expense and permitting needs of new wind farms since 2001. Rooftop solar at close to two bucks a kwh with green storage can supply at most 3% of US energy needs.
09:35 AM on 11/17/2011
If the Cape Wind electricity cost is 11+ times that of conventional nuclear, then it is not a viable project. Who in their right mind would invest in such a project?
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08:21 PM on 11/10/2011
There is no energy shortage, just a lack of awareness...
Solar would need to be like five times cheaper, to do baseload. Same with the LiFePO4 batteries (which are the safest of the li-ion, that can be fast charged).
Until machines make solar panels for almost free, we will have to rely upon the nuclear CLOSED cycle.
Anything else is just a farce.
The light water reactor or LWR or anything that ends with "WR" is very dangerous (and very inefficient). They need to be replaced by the close cycle such as LFTR and IFR which are thousands of times safer!
Planetary civilizations can not be based on trivial amounts of renewable energy sources and obviously, it can't be based on fossil fuels for much longer!
Please inform yourselves and look up the Liquid fluoride thorium reactor and the integral fast reactor (both have been proven to be melt down proof too).
06:21 PM on 11/10/2011
Organizations run by industry want more nuclear. Shocker. Taxpayer dollars for the most toxic energy source should be ended.

The right wing preaches about ending bailouts but wants to hand over ever more billions to their friends.

They talk about private financing for General Motors but when nuclear cannot get private financing they demand the government step in.

It seems we need to unionize nuclear workers for Republicans to see the light.
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08:37 PM on 11/10/2011
Check out flibe energy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKG6wZtcVVQ
I think the problem is mostly caused by the nuclear regulatory agencies which appear to be bought off by the dangerous BAS approach to nuclear and thus say "the closed cycle needs further investigation" (which is not true!).
Here's more info that I dug up...
http://www.ecolo.org/documents/documents_in_english/uran-closed-cycle-sutherl.pdf
I only promote the closed cycle because I know fossil fuels are dangerous and limited, just as with the water reactors in use today and also know that in order for solar to save the day, it needs to be made for almost free in robotic factories...