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Scott Walker Recall Effort Gains Momentum After Union Victory In Ohio

SCOTT BAUER   11/ 9/11 05:49 PM ET   AP

MADISON, Wis. — The resounding rejection of an anti-union law by Ohio voters provides a huge boost for Democrats and union officials preparing for their next major battle -- the attempted recall of Wisconsin Republican Gov. Scott Walker -- but their prospects could be clouded by the differences between the two Midwestern states and their election laws.

After the nearly 2-1 defeat of the Ohio law, union opponents of Walker are finalizing plans to gather the more than 540,000 signatures needed to put his recall on the ballot next year. The petition drive is expected to start next week.

After he assumed office this year, Walker pushed through a new law that sharply restricted the bargaining rights of most state employees. The action made him a central figure in a push by conservatives across the nation to weaken public employee unions to ease state fiscal problems. On Tuesday, a similar law championed by Ohio Republican Gov. John Kasich was rejected by voters.

But Wisconsin law does not allow a public referendum on such a question, so opponents are hoping to use the recall mechanism to replace Walker and then repeal the law.

The Ohio vote shows that some voters believe that conservative governors have overreached, but it's not clear they would go beyond striking down a specific law to oust a governor.

"It's very difficult to extrapolate from that simple one-issue vote to the much more complex recall process here," said Charles Franklin, a founder of pollster.com and a University of Wisconsin political science professor.

There's also the fact that politics in Ohio and Wisconsin are different. Ohio is one of the strongest union states in the nation. Unions have had a difficult time battling Walker in Wisconsin.

"What happens with politics in Ohio doesn't necessarily carry over here," Franklin said.

Recall organizers were buoyed by the rejection of the Ohio law, but cautious about how much it means for them.

"It's not apples to apples here," said Marty Beil, executive director of the 23,000-member Wisconsin State Employees Union. However, the victory did show the importance of forming coalitions including labor unions, community groups and others, Beil said.

Walker, when asked Wednesday about the Ohio vote, said he believes Wisconsin voters may be more accustomed to his measure because, unlike Ohio's, it had taken effect.

"We've had months of people seeing ... the reforms work," Walker said. "In Ohio, they didn't have the law in effect, they didn't see any of the benefits."

Other differences could also have an impact on voter opinions. Walker's collective bargaining limits largely exempted police and firefighters, two groups that enjoy broad public support, while Ohio's did not. The Ohio vote shows that the public is ready to reign in conservative policies that appear to go too far, said Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin state AFL-CIO, which represents 250,000 workers in the state.

Voters in a recall election would also have to decide whether they want to replace Walker with a Democratic alternative, a more complicated proposition than a single-issue referendum. The state's two most prominent Democrats – former U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold and retiring U.S. Sen. Herb Kohl – have said they aren't interested.

Those considering a run include Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett, who lost to Walker in last year's governor's race, former U.S. Rep. Dave Obey and state Sen. Jon Erpenbach.

So far, efforts to recall legislative supporters of the anti-union law have had mixed results. Only two of six Senate Republicans targeted in recall elections this summer were ousted, leaving the GOP with a one-vote majority. Republicans hold a 59-39 majority in the Assembly.

A poll released in July showed that 59 percent of Wisconsin residents disapproved of Walker's performance at that point. A majority, 55 percent, said they disapproved of his two-year budget plan that made cuts to plug a $3 billion budget shortfall.

Walker has defended both the collective bargaining law and his first budget, which made cuts to public education, as necessary steps to put the state in better financial condition. He says those efforts, along with other new laws the Republican Legislature has passed with his approval, will make Wisconsin more attractive to business and lead to the creation of 250,000 jobs, his key campaign promise.

Labor unions, conservative groups and others have poured huge amounts into the Ohio vote. Heavy spending is expected by all sides in Wisconsin if the Walker recall gets on the ballot next year

We Are Ohio, the union-backed coalition fighting the law, poured at least $24 million into the campaign, while Building a Better Ohio, which supported the law, spent about $8 million.

An estimated $44 million was spent on the state Senate recall campaigns in Wisconsin.

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Associated Press writer Dinesh Ramde contributed to this report from Milwaukee.

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MADISON, Wis. — The resounding rejection of an anti-union law by Ohio voters provides a huge boost for Democrats and union officials preparing for their next major battle -- the attempted recall...
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07:36 PM on 11/13/2011
Republicans in Wisconsin claim that Scott Walker is "turning our great state around into fiscal prosperity instead of record deficits" REALLY? What a big lie! The only thing that Scott Walker is doing is SHIFTING the tax burden to LOCAL government entities, by not returning to the cities and county governments their share of the "shared revenue" that we all pay to the state in taxes. Now the local governments of our towns and cities will have to come up with more revenue to cover the losses of the state's portion. So they will have to raise your taxes! So then Scott Walker can brag how he didn't raise your taxes but you local government did. Shifting the tax burden to local governments isn't "fiscal prosperity" all that is being done is shifting the tax burden back on the poor and working class of our state and allowing corporations and the rich not to pay their share.
jbw1948
I'm not going to complain nobody listens!!!
02:17 AM on 11/15/2011
F & F welcome to HuffPo!
bobbertino
We need a Common Sense 3rd Party in the USA
05:41 PM on 11/15/2011
F & F # 2
11:11 PM on 11/11/2011
Crush the Koch brother's influence in Wisconsin and get rid of their errand boy Walker!
03:47 PM on 11/11/2011
Crush those union pigs Walker, I support you 100%.
rogergoldkin
If you think education is expensive, try ignorance
08:53 AM on 11/17/2011
Poor rightie, is that all you have?
09:11 AM on 11/17/2011
No I have my 1% and my other friends that are the 1%. Don't be jealous.
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Sixtracks
Pleased to Meet Me
01:35 PM on 11/11/2011
G00gle:
United Wisconsin
to DONATE to the recall cause. we have the K0ch_Brothers to contend with and could use your help!
01:23 PM on 11/11/2011
5.3 trillion of debt in 3 years more than all other Presidents combined and Happy Days are here again!! OH wait there not. Let's blame somebody yea it's somebody elses fault Yeah they did it. We are enlighted it has to be their fault. At the rate Obama is going we will be in debt 25 trillion dollars if the blamer is elected again. That's count counting Obamacare. After 5.3 so far what do we have to show for it SMELLY OCCUPIERS, Hate and discord. The World would be a better place without the brainwashed Koolaiders.
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Sixtracks
Pleased to Meet Me
01:35 PM on 11/11/2011
Might want to brush up on your history, as well as economics.
I would wager you voted for Bush. Twice.
Smells like it.
03:23 PM on 11/11/2011
Your wrong as usual. Never voted for Bush. I am an independant. Just have good ol common sense. I know when someone is trying to manipulate. I'm not a sheeple or a hapless follower. Just want America back from the brink.
10:27 PM on 11/11/2011
What is it with you guys and the silly "you smell" insults to those who differ with your viewpoints? Most people quit using that around the first grade.
10:41 PM on 11/11/2011
There is this new concept going round I was going to tell you about, Oh yeah it's called reality. Check it to it.
11:39 PM on 11/11/2011
What is with you guys? Why do liberals think they are annoited with infinite wisdom to tell people how they should think, what they should say and how how should act. Why don't YOU GUYS get off your politically correct santimonious high horse and try reality. This is America the land of the free and you and Fearless Leader are never going to change that. This liberal political correctness is nothing more than a way for you guys to judge people, liberals Don't fight the Power they fight any challenge to their power. Political correctness is a cancer on Democracy, it is a violation of the First Amendment. It is simply the most egregious assault on personal freedom ever in this country. How dare you judge me or anyone else because of your unctuous ideology. Consider me a surgeon and political correctness a cancer. Got It?
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mowprincess
I must be cheerful and obedient...
01:21 PM on 11/11/2011
Come on Wisconsin.. get the college dropout out of office before he destroys education as we know it... He and his ilk thrive on the ignorance of others...
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Margo Arrowsmith
Elizabeth Warren in 2016!
07:59 AM on 11/11/2011
Cons I know are desperately trying to spin this election into being meaningless.  Did you know that this only went over in Ohio because they added the cops and firemen, because Ohioans really hate unions no matter how they voted?  It just keeps getting better.
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Proteus Petabyte
If truth hurts then just say OUCH!
03:05 AM on 11/11/2011
I don't live in that state but I made calls to the local residents and provided them with all the information needed to make this most important recall count. This one will reverberate across the country.

Let's do this America!
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Margo Arrowsmith
Elizabeth Warren in 2016!
08:01 AM on 11/11/2011
Fanned for doing great things!
12:14 AM on 11/11/2011
Tne new improved educational system Computers in Charter schools.
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joedaplumper
Ever see an airplane do thi.............
08:19 PM on 11/11/2011
How about we just use the Vulcan mind meld.
09:52 PM on 11/11/2011
I think if you tried that mind meld on Obama you would melt like looking at the Arc of the Covenant.
12:12 AM on 11/11/2011
We have the technology to replace teachers. Check out the Khan Academy. Kids like it more than a live teacher. It is better than a teacher. You don't have to pay it, insure it, and take care of it their entire lives. A computer is a better way to go. Teachers should be doing what their capable of. Greeters at Walmart. Scott use computors to replace these union controlled zombies. But the best thing is a computer doesn't want tenure and could care less about collective bargaining or blackmail.
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pickles n pops
Restore pre-1981 income and inheritance tax rates
05:53 AM on 11/11/2011
People who are lucky enough, have one or two teachers between K and 12, who mentor them into becoming exceptional, in school, and later on in their careers. Maybe you can explain how a computer can become a substitute for that?

Don't get me wrong; computers are terrific, and on line courses are gonna get better 'n' better, not to mention the savings for textbooks!
12:50 PM on 11/11/2011
Right, b/c human interaction is so overrated. Ayn Rand would sing your praises. Do hope you are aware that she also sang praises for adultery & would have been appalled by such "horrors" as friendship, or doing anything decent for another person if you receive no pay. In her world, nobody stands by anybody unless there is a profit motive.
01:04 PM on 11/11/2011
That's what I love about liberals, Man talk about being disconnected from reality. Unions don't care about members all they care about is the dues. Try not paying them and see what happens to you. Extortion plain & simple. Unions have packed the schools with administrators. They have made everything so complicated in micro managing. If they got rid of the unions and teacher did not have to pay those dues and got rid of 90% of the administators they would be making good money. Unions want power and they care for nothing else. New Your City pays thousands of teachers that are so bad they won't even let them in a classroom. So they sit in a building all day and watch TV. That is wrong and you know it.
12:07 AM on 11/11/2011
Scott is a great man. Don't let the whinning liberals change your mind. They are the tantrum party like spoiled brats crying till they get their way. Political correctness has permited this hijacking of democracy. I call it the liberal squeaky wheel syndrome. Like sheep with a delusion they are autotominous when in fact without a leader they just sit in a chair and drool waiting for a sense of relativity.
12:52 PM on 11/11/2011
Funny, me thinks you do project and protest too much.
jbw1948
I'm not going to complain nobody listens!!!
01:54 AM on 11/15/2011
Well some great men are relegated to work in ship yards and mills so walker wont have any trouble finding a job when we kick him out of office!!!
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Coyote50
"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization."
09:57 PM on 11/10/2011
We 99% are finding our voice!
12:15 AM on 11/11/2011
Huh what I can't hear you. Try gargling with some bleach.
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Coyote50
"Taxes are the price we pay for civilization."
12:28 AM on 11/11/2011
That's because your ears are filled with right wing c***
jbw1948
I'm not going to complain nobody listens!!!
01:52 AM on 11/15/2011
You dont have to hear as come election time you will SEE that OWS has opened the eyes of the sleeping giant (non-voters) and we will set a record. You will not like the results but you will know who the 99% are!!!
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08:41 PM on 11/10/2011
Apparently, not only does Walker not want children to have health insurance, he doesn't want to spend the money so children get their child support.
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08:41 PM on 11/10/2011
Reforms? What reforms, Walker? Everything costs more, my child has 30 kids in his class instead of 17, and my insurance premiums keep going up every year? I see the reforms...and they are ugly.
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08:38 PM on 11/10/2011
I've seen the reforms...rather than being able to practice soccer on school grounds for free, we now have to either pay or find a park. Now the schools will charge. And even more humorous is that people on state business are still requiring hosts that will provide rooms for free. Needless to say, it is harder and harder to find conference rooms because now the Technical Colleges are charging the state and the public for rooms that were previously for free.

Walker is now wanting to cut of 65,000 families from Medicaid, make others pay $153 per month, and buy private insurance. I can tell you now that more hospitals will become overwhelmed, and the costs will be passed on to those of us who will have to pay.

The more this stuff keeps up, the more I have no doubt that Walker will get recalled.