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State Of Young America: Indebted And Dubious Of Attaining American Dream

State Of Young America Poll

Posted: 11/09/11 06:22 PM ET

NEW YORK -- Five years ago, when TiffanyAnn Johnson first embarked on her dream of a college education, her parents agreed to shoulder a majority of the costs associated with getting a degree.

But soon after, the financial collapse decimated her father's mortgage business, forcing her family of four to learn to subsist on her mother's meager salary.

With two college-aged children, the added cost of higher education quickly proved more than her one-income family could afford.

Johnson, 23, who graduated in 2010 from Virginia Commonwealth University with a degree in mass communications, took out a combination of public and private loans to pay for school. All told, she's now on the hook for nearly $65,000.

"I always thought that if I worked hard and created opportunity for myself, that I would be in a pretty favorable position," said Johnson. She now works in a temporary administrative position doing data entry at Yale University. "I thought I did everything right. But when this gig is up, I'll be lucky to even get a job doing seasonal retail."

According to a national poll released Wednesday afternoon, many young Americans share the frustration felt by Johnson.

A majority of the 18-to-34-year-olds surveyed perceived a college degree as a more vital component of their own chances for success than it was for their parents. But, many are also simultaneously finding the cost of college increasingly burdensome.

"Young adults today are the first generation facing downward economic mobility compared to their parents' generation," said Tamara Draut, vice president of policy and programs for Demos. "As job quality has declined for all but those with college degrees, higher education is too often a debt-for-diploma system that puts an immediate obstacle in front of new graduates as they start their working lives."

The Institute for College Access & Success, Demos and Young Invincibles commissioned Wednesday's national, bipartisan survey, conducted by Lake Research Partners and Bellwether Research and Consulting. Between Sept. 25 and Oct. 4, the survey sampled 872 young adults between the ages of 18 to 34.

The Institute for College Access and Success is a nonprofit working to make higher education more affordable; Demos is a non-partisan research and advocacy organization working for greater levels of civic engagement; and Young Invincibles is a national youth organization working to mobilize and expand opportunity for young Americans.

Of the survey's respondents, 81 percent said it is now harder to afford a college education than it was five years ago, and nearly three-quarters said they graduated with too much debt.

"This shows that there's this widespread recognition that college is getting harder to afford," said Lauren Asher, president of the Institute for College Access and Success.

Last week, the Institute for College Access and Success released an annual report finding that the average debt load for 2010 graduates had again risen. Amidst a difficult job market, it found that last year's graduates owed an average of $25,250.

The questions used in Wednesday's poll were included in the "State of Young America," a large, multi-issue survey also released last week.

Besides the immediate worry of paying loans back, Draut found that high amounts of education-related debt often impacts other decisions later on in life.

"They're buying homes and starting families with their loan debt still around," said Draut. "It makes it more difficult to save for their own retirement and save for their own child's education -- and it's one of the reasons why we see such strong agreement that the amount of debt required to get a degree is too high."

Despite overwhelming concerns about their personal pocketbooks, nearly a majority of respondents -- 48 percent -- believed their generation would be worse off than their parent's generation. Even still, 69 percent believed the American Dream was still attainable in their lifetime.

Aaron Smith, co-founder of Young Invincibles, sees a generation largely straining under the added burden of college-related debt.

"If I have a job and can make my student loan payments, that's fine. But I'm still stuck with that debt for years, if not decades," told Smith to HuffPost. "This is going to have a longer-term psychological impact affecting not only young people's concern about the current cost of higher education, but about the spiraling cost of college for their own children."

Since graduating from Virginia Commonwealth University more than a year ago, Johnson has struggled to find work.

Even with a job, her monthly loan payments are nearly impossible to afford. Lately, Johnson dodges as many as six calls per day from Wells Fargo, Sallie Mae, Discover and Direct Loans inquiring about combined total of nearly $65,000 in past-due loan payments.

"With my Dad's additional income, we weren't upper middle class, but we definitely had a firm footing in middle-class life," Johnson said. "Now, we're definitely lower-middle class. It's all become one huge juggling act and I'm not quite sure how to get back on track."

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11:18 PM on 11/13/2011
I'm a 20-year-old college student, and even I can only laugh at the situation. Why? Irony! Thanks pretty much entirely to the so-called counterculture, America declared, "Screw classical education! A pox on first principles!" Thus began the rise of the diploma mills. Thousands of 'em. We thought if we skipped all the flim-flam about college existing to foster "wisdom," we'd be a more honest and productive society. Well, where's our excuse now? The kids are still idiots (look at OWS), but now even their degrees are worthless!
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07:39 PM on 11/15/2011
Um, OWS arent idiots, the only idiots are the buffoons who criticize OWS in the GOP (Cain, Perry, Romney).

Also, Id be hard pressed to take advice from a student who uses the word 'em' for 'them' while criticizing others as 'idiots'.
12:22 AM on 11/17/2011
Oh, friend. Obviously I typed "'em" on purpose (within a sentence fragment, you'll notice) just for a touch of informal twang. What are the odds of that apostrophe if I had goofed?

It's worth mentioning that I don't support the GOP as it stands, nor did I say I do. So your mentioning of the Republican candidates is bizarre and misplaced.

Thirdly, I'm not calling anyone idiots exclusively ... My whole generation, including myself, must bear the weight of the few bad apples, and in that sense, we are ALL considered some degree of "idiot" by association. My point was that colleges don't help by indoctrinating us and closing our minds to first principles, aka "the permanent things."
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08:44 PM on 11/10/2011
I think the answer to this is just attitude, and knowing that despite the fact that others may or may not have had it easier, (my parents put each other through night school, got degrees, and had a mortgage and three kids, but also really good attitudes, and did whatever jobs they could on the way to their goals, and life was good, it wasnt easy getting there either) and as for me, I honestly think attitude is what has helped me amazingly...attitude no matter what you have or dont have, will make you or break you in life. You at least have an education, and it will help, but let me suggest to all, look outside that proverbhial box, look at the good side, be positive, and if this sounds too simple, its not. What you feel, will come across in your life, if you feel hopeless and negative and resentful, that is the sum total of what you may end up with, so with sincerity. I know it works, there is no golden key, its all up to you and the attitude you bring with you to any job, no matter how simple.
..., focus on solving, focus on being positive, and focus on what you already have going for you, then proceed to make your life what you want...and everytikme one of those negative thoughts whispers in your ear, keep moving forward, think positive.
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12:57 PM on 11/10/2011
Sorry kids, but just because you have a degree doesn't mean you will get a top paying position in the field of your choice. You may have to start at the bottom for crap pay and actually WORK your way up in your field of choice. Just like everybody else. Young people are often shocked at this because they have been raised to become self entitled. I personally know people who have student loan debt, are unemployed and refuse positions in their field because they don't meet what THEY feel they are entitled to get. Yet, they're unemployed???
01:13 PM on 11/10/2011
I'm not shocked by hard work. Please see my resume, if you have any questions about work ethic! I don't expect to be CEO or make 100k right out to pay it all off. I was just sharing my experience. As you'll see from my other comments, I've been registered with temp agencies in various states and I don't get positions because I'm too overqualified or possess too little experience. Thanks for your comment!
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fredimessina
12:41 PM on 11/11/2011
Tiffany I was not attacking you or your work ethic in my statement. If you were offended, please accept my apologies. My statement was more about the fact that this is nothing new. This has been the case for a long, long time. The fact is, most people have debt as a result of their education.
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Vic22
"I write to make it right, don't like what I see"
12:50 PM on 11/10/2011
It's all your fault. If you were smarter and planned ahead, you would rise to the top. If you didn't, you don't deserve it, and god doesnt love you.

-Republican
01:14 PM on 11/10/2011
I wouldn't expect anything less from a self proclaimed Republican... Thanks for your concern!
10:06 AM on 11/22/2011
Vic, let me say one thing, just stop saying that it is her entire fault. To me, it sounds like you're acting like the judge and jury. Just stop okay.
12:02 PM on 11/10/2011
If I were a right-winger, I'd be bashing education, too. The two are usually mutually exclusive.
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cmr86
Reality. Progressively-based.
10:40 AM on 11/10/2011
A lot of the typical "Let's bash the young for what they've been told to do all their lives..." coming from the comments section.
10:56 AM on 11/10/2011
Too right. We do as we're told and then we get blamed for it? Maybe we should start flooding the comments section telling the old to stop blaming us for the problems THEY caused. Props to them for messing up and foisting the burden on us to pay the price!
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Nate35
09:28 AM on 11/10/2011
Theoretically I could graduate college debt free, thanks to my parents' ridiculously prudent saving habits. If I got a decent entry level job I would be pretty well set. That's a big if in this economy, though. Schools have outsourced education to internships and the good employers expect you to have a lot of experience already under your belt for so called "entry level" positions. Grad school might be necessary, in which case I would be forced to take on debt.
11:00 AM on 11/10/2011
Yes, grad school almost never has scholarships- I got a 4.0 in Johns Hopkins University and participated in multiple clubs in undergrad yet I get no scholarship whatsoever

Perhaps I sound like someone who wants to go to grad school on "handouts", but haven't we always been told that if we work hard, make ourselves well-rounded and maintain high grades while being an active member of the campus community, we would be ideal candidates for scholarships...? I'm now $20k in the hole and this is just for one year of tuition and dorms- undergrad was free for me. ]=
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Nate35
12:32 PM on 11/10/2011
And, of course, employers overwhelmingly prefer graduates of the most prestigious, and therefore most expensive, grad schools.
09:03 AM on 11/10/2011
I’m like and expert in existentialism and other book reading stuff. I’m ready to start working. Call me.
09:48 PM on 11/10/2011
Philosophy majors outperform all other majors on the GRE, so why wouldn't you hire them? Business majors score the lowest.
08:58 AM on 11/10/2011
Getting tired of the stories about the cost of a college degree stories. Heres a newsflash, not everyone should go or even needs to go. While it is great to aspire to a masters degree in critical thinking what doesn't happen is for an adult to sit down with said student looking to go for that degree and have a no BS conversation with them about what they think they will get out of that degree. It's been many many years ago for me but i seem to recall from high school "guidance counselors" who were supposed to do just that. Since I never had any intention of going to college because I knew I nor my parents could afford it I never went. Bully for me. Time to douse your kids with the reality of life parents, stop being cheerleaders and BE parents.
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Nate35
09:25 AM on 11/10/2011
Sorry, we are a white collar society, most people need a college degree.
10:00 AM on 11/10/2011
My parents are great. They urge me to pursue my dreams and live them vividly. Unlike you, they are busy and fulfilled with their lives, and have no interest in critiquing other people's parenting skills. You may have missed your calling. You are a rousing life coach and an even better family therapist!
08:47 AM on 11/10/2011
Really? You mean completely indulging narcissism did not work? They have to work? Wow! Get the riot gear on!

I can't stand 20 year olds anyway. Nasty buggers. May you live in ongoing poverty!
08:24 AM on 11/10/2011
The fact that this student referred to four years in college as a "gig" says a lot.
09:35 AM on 11/10/2011
I wasnt referring to college as a "gig". I was referring to my current job now. Glad you're an attentive reader!
09:51 AM on 11/10/2011
My current job IS, in fact, a gig. It's temporary with the potential for permanent work and I do it gladly. Thanks!
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08:17 AM on 11/10/2011
Why borrow money if you don't know if you will be able to pay it back? Would you suggest borrowing money to play slot machines? Unless your degree is in chemical engineering (you can't even bet on computer science these days), or medical-related, or mining, or a few others, you are not guaranteed anything with a degree.
09:38 AM on 11/10/2011
So, am I not to get a degree in the field I like just because the debt would "outweigh" my passion? May you pursue what you love. I'm not asking anybody's help to pay back my loans. I'm just sharing my story, but thanks for your comment!
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02:53 PM on 11/10/2011
Yea actually you shouldn't get a degree in something if you debt is going to amount more than you can afford. It doesn't matter how passionate you are about something if you can't afford it don't do it. If you choose to do it anyways don't complain that the people who loaned you money wants that money back. Banks don't set tuition cost Universities do. People like you who are ducking your loan calls are reason other students are soon to struggle to get Student Loans. You are a disgrace to all borrowers and you blame the banks for decisions you made. I am 25 have student debt my gf is in nursing school and has student debt. Both of our debts combined do not add up to the debt you occured. Neither of our Parents helped with school either.
02:26 PM on 12/16/2011
I agree with you hoodoo x. A degree does not guarantee a job. Even entry level the employer wants x amount of experience. Doesn't make sense.
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sonoflars
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08:13 AM on 11/10/2011
The cost of earning a college degree in India or China is a fraction of the cost in America. Why? These countries understand that their future depends on educating the next generations. We have a market place. If you can afford to go, you can go. If you can't, you can't.
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12:24 PM on 11/10/2011
"These countries understand that their future depends on educating the next generation­s."

China's dropout rate is 40%, and only 54% of India's children are still in school by the age of 10.

http://china.org.cn/english/2004/Jun/99362.htm
http://www.savethechildren.net/alliance/media/newsdesk/2006-02-14.html
09:56 PM on 11/10/2011
Drop out rates in rural areas are 40%. The kids of the 20+ million in Shanghai just outscored the rest of the world on international achievement tests.
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07:58 AM on 11/10/2011
The American Dream'
Run for public office.
Get a top job at a Bank.
Take every dollar you can get your hands on.
Things look like there going "ok" to me?
07:43 AM on 11/10/2011
VCU tuition for Fall 2001-Spring 2012 (undergraduate business, in state, no housing or meal plan) is $4906. Living with parents and working part time is a great way to pay those other cost including housing, food and books. So I'm at a loss to understand how Ms. Johnson racked up $65k in debt. Higher education, like life in general, has to be done within your means. Treat a degree like a responsible mortgage. Determine how much debt you can handle before you start and base it on a realistic assessment of what you can pay when you finish. If you have to, spend two years at a community college. Avoid out-of-state universities. Take a job.
09:39 AM on 11/10/2011
I wasn't in state. I'm from CT. I also started at Fairfield University, private school in CT. Look those tuition numbers up too, while you're at it. Thank you for being diligent!