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GOP Candidates Duck Issue Of Student Loan Debt, Underwhelming Michigan Students

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First Posted: 11/10/2011 7:15 pm Updated: 01/10/2012 4:12 am

ROCHESTER, Mich. -- The Republican candidates came to college Wednesday night. But some of their responses to a question from undergraduates at Oakland University about the growing problem of student loan debt left students in this small town, 45 minutes north of Detroit, feeling cold. And Mitt Romney's stance that ending student loan debt will be as simple as fixing the economy is lacking, according to one expert.

Current and former students may owe as much as a total of $1 trillion in student loan debt by the end of this year. That number's growth is fast outpacing inflation. And while students are doing better on the job front than the rest of the population, college graduates are having their own difficulties finding the jobs with which they can pay off those loans.

To tell the story of the student loan "bubble" during its primary debate Wednesday night, CNBC showed a video of three Oakland undergraduates talking about how the issue was affecting their generation.

"Tuition rates have increased roughly three times that of inflation over the last three decades," said Maxwell van Raaphorst, class of 2012.

"More students have to take out loans or forego college," chimed in Alana Hartley, class of 2014.

Allison Kerry, another senior, added, "My generation is graduating with student debt levels at an unprecedented level."

Only two Republicans at the debate had a chance to answer the students' concerns. Texas Rep. Ron Paul suggested that the federal government should simply do away with student loans. Former speaker of the House Newt Gingrich offered a more conventional response: The issue was simply one of personal responsibility that didn't have much to do with the banks.

Calling the current student loan program an "absurdity," Gingrich said he supports forcing more students to take part in work-study programs. It would be a "culture shock for the students of America to learn we actually expect them to go to class, study, get out quickly, charge as little as possible, and emerge debt free by doing the right things for four years," he said.

But Sandy Baum, an economist at Skidmore College who has researched student loan debt for the College Board, an association of higher education organizations, argued that the matter was one of more than simple personal responsibility.

"It's clear that students benefit from their education, so they should contribute, but there are also social benefits," Baum noted. "If we don't support them, then we're going to discourage students in the future from taking this risk that's actually very beneficial to society."

While she agreed with Gingrich that "students should borrow cautiously," Baum also said that "there's a lot of uncertainty" in college. "If you train for an occupation and then suddenly all the jobs in that occupation go overseas, then it's not going to pay off."

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who leads in polls of Michigan GOP voters and finishes as a frontrunner nationally, has no specific plan to address the problem of student loans, according to his policy director, Lanhee Chen.

"The first thing we've got to do is really get this economy on track, create the jobs that these recent graduates need, so they have the income to support these loan obligations. And that's really where Mitt would focus his time," said Chen, speaking in the media "spin room" after the debate.

Baum said growing the economy would be "great" -- but hardly a solution for every student. No matter what condition the economy is in, some will find themselves in bad repayment positions through no fault of their own. Tying repayments to income, a practice President Obama has proposed expanding, would be a good solution for them, she said.

College is "a risky investment," Baum added. "And it pays off well for most people, but it doesn't pay off for everyone. And that's frequently but not always out of the control of the individual."

As for the students of Oakland University themselves, their thoughts on the candidates' responses were mixed.

Standing outside the debate with a group of Occupy Oakland University protesters, Oskar Horyd, a freshman from Troy, Mich., said none of the candidates have addressed his concerns. Already $5,000 in debt in his first semester, Horyd said the candidates were simply ignoring the problem.

Hartley, one of the students featured in the CNBC video, said she was more likely to vote for Gingrich after his answer and his overall performance. She plans to graduate from college debt-free because of a scholarship, she said, and thought Gingrich's "answer to the student loan question showed that he has a good work ethic and wants to instill this in students as well."

But Maxwell Van Raaphorst, a senior majoring in biochemistry who also spoke in the video, was unimpressed.

"None of the candidates won my vote last night," he said afterward. Doing away with student loans "would only allow the elite and rich to attend and create a nation of uneducated and unskilled workers."

As for the odd-on choice of pundits, Van Raaphorst said, "I would hope that Romney seriously considers some other options in addition to just simply growing the economy."

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ROCHESTER, Mich. -- The Republican candidates came to college Wednesday night. But some of their responses to a question from undergraduates at Oakland University about the growing problem of student ...
ROCHESTER, Mich. -- The Republican candidates came to college Wednesday night. But some of their responses to a question from undergraduates at Oakland University about the growing problem of student ...
 
 
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Independent66
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12:03 PM on 11/14/2011
Ask yourself why the cost of a college education has been growing roughly twice as fast as inflation for the past 20 years or so? Do you think low cost government loans have anything to do with it? Do you think funding grants have something to do with it? The Federal government has spent so much money in funding higher education in so many ways it has changed the rules of the market in this sector. It has also reduced the value of the degree in the market place.
I think the only real solution is to have the government withdraw from this market and be more discriminating with research spending.
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appeallawy
06:35 PM on 11/12/2011
If we can bail out souless banks then we should be able to bail out living people but that's not how the owners of this Country think. The Banks, Newt, didn't have "personal responsibility" thrown in their face they got and endless blast of dollar bills, preferential treatment and all their loses covered. When you talk personal responsibility you have to show personal responsibility like carrying on an affair while your wife is dying of cancer, having 84 ethics violation when you were Speaker of the House, having a 250K line of credit at Tiffany & Co. and divorcing the 2nd Mrs. Newt on her deathbed. Good Show shining knight of personal responsibility.
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05:06 PM on 11/11/2011
I think the US taxpayers (aka conservatives) should pay the student debts. After all, the students are only victims.
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moutonnoir
iconoclastic demagoguery
04:20 PM on 11/12/2011
All the 'conservatives' I know are rednecks with no money..

The republican business men are just using you hayseeds.
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
04:37 PM on 11/11/2011
Maybe we need to ask: Why is tuition so high? It doesn't even make sense.
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
04:50 PM on 11/11/2011
Here is an example 300 university staffers making over $300,000.00 a year for starters.
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
06:40 PM on 11/11/2011
Someone needs to stop that. But who?
06:56 PM on 11/11/2011
Note the careful lack of detail as to who these people are, what jobs they're doing, and so on.
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
04:29 PM on 11/11/2011
So the one student who was getting a free ride through a scholarship liked Newt's response. Now that's a laugh.
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The Right is Wrong
Pissing off CONS for more than 56 years!
03:08 PM on 11/11/2011
Repugs abhor an educated citizenry!
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
03:45 PM on 11/11/2011
not as much as a Demoncrap hates honesty or hard work
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Leigh49
Hey, you, get off of my cloud
04:28 PM on 11/11/2011
What does honesty and hard work have to do with paying for an education? You can't buy college with a minimum wage job.
02:51 PM on 11/11/2011
College education is a national resource. Saddling our future generations with this mountain of debt isn't right. It isn't their fault that college costs have sky-rocketed. I went to 4 years of college for about $10,000; my son for less than $50,000 - now, it's well over $100,000 and that's not counting graduate school.

As a taxpayer, I would much rather see college debt forgiven than bailouts to bankers! Raise taxes on the millionaires and take this 'monkey' off the backs of our young people. Let them go out and start their lives - buy homes and furniture, get jobs, start businesses, buy cars, have families and help economy rather than paying off this debt.

AT the least, let them renegotiate lower interest rates! They should not swept under the rug or have to listen to Gingrich's empty platitudes about responsibility. When has HE taken any responsibility?.
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moutonnoir
iconoclastic demagoguery
04:23 PM on 11/12/2011
truthfully, you nailed it.
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bastonal
02:50 PM on 11/11/2011
Good call Matt, Republicans as we know will never say what they paln to really do....Not one republican governor, Kasich, Scott Walker, LePage, Christie, Scott, etc. etc. never ever mentioned before elected, while campaigning in their respective states that they wanted to get rid of workers basic rights, to collective bargain, which would of course destroy unions, there's no union if one can't even bargain basic rights like wages, benefits pensions & on the job safety.
Even though the republican governors have all have drawn up & passed some kind of legislation backed by billionaires & corporations to do so once they are elected to office by never mentioning their destructive plans....Yet the republican governors never seem to have a problem with multi-million dollars lobbyist from corporations wanting more. I too would be suspicious if I were a student and my future depends on my loans and the republicans are not even speaking about....I would be very worried.....Because I know from republican ideology and past agendas that it will indeed favor the banking & loan industry and corporations.
Wouldn't you?
layman
Live and Let Live !
02:22 PM on 11/11/2011
The fool the public, fool the masses competition begins. The best thespian will be the winner.
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02:17 PM on 11/11/2011
Watching the GOP politicians talk is not like watching a train wreck. It's like watching a train smash full speed into the back of a train wreck, and then the rest keep coming up behind that one and crashing.
layman
Live and Let Live !
02:17 PM on 11/11/2011
All these candidates are phonies, except may be Hunstman and Ron Paul.
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mjc
Avoid printing any..
03:02 PM on 11/11/2011
In that they both have political opinions based on their core principles rather than winning an election. yes. I could even vote for Huntsman in spite of some difference in our views about abortion but guess I'd have to pass on Ron Paul. The real question is why the rest of these refugees from the bar scene in the original Star Wars are even running and why is anyone, Republican or Conservative or whatever, considering for the job of president.
javagirl023
It should be easier to vote than to own a gun.
09:38 PM on 11/12/2011
Because they primary the sane ones. Every time Boehner makes even the tiniest noise about trying to work with the White House, he is threatened with a primary battle.
02:00 PM on 11/11/2011
H-1b work visas. Ask them if they support having the federal government drive down wages by issuing H-1b work visas. The Democrats support H-1b. Democrats support free trade with communist China and NAFTA too. Anything that hurts US workers is loved by Democrats.
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moutonnoir
iconoclastic demagoguery
04:24 PM on 11/12/2011
big issues you raise.. but lets be clear: both parties are hardcore gloabalists... this is what the 99% movement is trying to address.
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OldCowboy
Against stupidity the Gods contend in vain.
01:59 PM on 11/11/2011
It is clear that the Republican Party's goal is to create an America with two classes: The Rich / Educated and the Poor / Ignorant.
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
02:10 PM on 11/11/2011
Versus the Democrat 2 class system
Those that pay for everything, and those that collect from the government.
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Lesley Anne
03:00 PM on 11/11/2011
You're forgetting corporate welfare. Corps collecting tax subsidies and banks taking bail out money from taxpayers, or the government as it were. How about your famous job creators actually creating some jobs so people will be earning a living once again.
arb24529
Micro Bio? sounds like an abbreviated tweet
01:58 PM on 11/11/2011
State Universities were supposed to be affordable facilities for the residents of a given state. Private schools were out there (ivy league) to cater to the wealthy. The current problem is largely that the state schools now want to compete with the most expensive private colleges, and because of this their cost have skyrocketed. When state universities like Michigan State have 128 staffers making over $200,000.00 a year or NC State at Chapel Hill,has over 200 making more than $300,000.00 a year these state schools are no longer providing reasonably priced educations for the student of their states.
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/databases/salaries/michigan-state-university
http://www.collegiatetimes.com/databases/salaries/university-of-north-carolina-chapel-hill
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Lesley Anne
04:18 PM on 11/11/2011
Good point.
06:58 PM on 11/11/2011
But wait - you're exactly the type who'd howl that people in the private sector are only being paid what they're worth, whaaaa, whaaaa, whaaaa.
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SeaShell226
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01:51 PM on 11/11/2011
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I hope he's not a coward...
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