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Republican Debate: Candidates Call For Military Strikes On Iran, Return Of Waterboarding

First Posted: 11/13/11 12:02 AM ET Updated: 11/13/11 12:02 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- At the Republican debate on foreign policy Saturday night, the party's candidates for president delivered a series of strong rebukes to the leadership of President Obama and offered a rare glimpse into their international outlooks, while also reopening the national debate on the suitability of torture.

"We're here tonight talking to the American people about why every single one of us is better than Barack Obama, and that's something everyone here can agree with," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said at the height of a debate that was high on technicalities and low on the kind of barbs and gaffes that have come to define many of the candidates' previous engagements.

Foreign policy has not been a popular topic in this campaign to date. Obama's approval rating on his handling of international affairs is unusually high, and with major international successes under his belt, including the killing of Osama bin Laden and the removal of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, the subject has hardly proven a ripe ground for Republican criticism.

Few of the candidates have substantive international experience, and to some extent the debate Saturday night was an exercise in damage control and a chance to demonstrate a basic understanding of the facts and principles concerning American interests abroad.

In this regard, few had more to prove than Herman Cain, who has run a close second in most polls but continues to be dogged by the perception that he has an underwhelming interest in national security matters. Throughout the evening, Cain acquitted himself well, delivering a nuanced perspective on the threat posed by Iran -- and avoiding major gaffes.

But Cain also provided one of the most striking moments when he argued in favor of the use of "enhanced interrogation" -- including the now-rejected technique of waterboarding -- in the fight against terrorism, a proposal that is likely to outrage many who thought the era of American-sponsored torture was over.

Attempting to parse his answer by suggesting that he did "not agree with torture, period," but instead supported "enhanced interrogation," Cain said he would rely on the military to decide which techniques were acceptable.

"I will trust the judgment of our military to determine what is torture and what is not torture," Cain said. Asked about waterboarding in particular, he replied, "I would return to that policy. I don't see it as torture, I see it as an enhanced interrogation technique."

Both Representative Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Texas Governor Rick Perry agreed with Cain, with Perry drawing sustained applause when declared, "This is war." Of the use of waterboarding and other techniques, he added, "I will defend them until I die."

The use of waterboarding was discontinued late in the administration of President George W. Bush, and top officials later conceded that waterboarding in particular was illegal.

But in the aftermath of the killing of Osama bin Laden, several Bush administration officials have launched an effort to resurrect the technique, or at least salvage its reputation, by suggesting that information acquired during the earlier waterboarding years may have provided an essential clue to locating bin Laden.

Only Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) and former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman, who used the foreign policy debate to bolster his image as the experienced statesman of the current crop of Republican candidates, challenged the logic of the brutal tactic.

"We diminish our standing in the world and the values that we project, which include liberty, democracy, human rights and open markets, when we torture," Huntsman said. "Waterboarding is torture. We shouldn't torture."

So far this year, the Republicans have spent more time avoiding the subject of foreign policy than deliberating it, in no small part because voters say they are much more likely to consider jobs and the economy when they select their next president.

Indeed, in a sign of the topic's low priority, CBS, the co-sponsor of the debate with National Journal magazine, opted to broadcast only the first hour on national television. The last half-hour of the debate was streamed online, while the network returned to its regular programming, which for many was a rerun of the hit crime show "NCIS."

But early in the debate, the candidates managed to latch on to one potential topic of vulnerability for President Obama: Iran.

A report out this week by the International Atomic Energy Agency unveiled new evidence that Iran has been attempting to develop a nuclear weapons program, and the candidates found rare agreement in their assertions that Obama had mishandled the situation there.

"This is of course President Obama's greatest failing from a foreign standpoint," said former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. "He recognized the gravest threat that America and the world faces was a nuclear Iran, and he didn't do what was necessary to get Iran to be dissuaded from their nuclear folly."

Saying the president should have supported dissidents more and put in place more "crippling sanctions," Romney concluded, "If all else fails, if after all of the work we've done, there's nothing else we can do except military action, then of course you take military action."

Cain, for his part, stopped short of supporting military action, although he said he would back much stronger sanctions than those President Obama has committed to.

"I would not entertain military opposition," he said. "I'm talking about helping the opposition within the country."

"The answers you just got are superior to the current administration," Gingrich said. "There are a number of ways to be smart about Iran and relatively few ways to be dumb, and the administration has skipped all the ways to be smart."

Former Pennsylvania Representative Rick Santorum took the strongest stance on Iran, proposing that the U.S. support an Israeli strike against Iranian nuclear facilities "before the next explosion in Iran is a nuclear one, and the world changes."

Meanwhile, in his first debate appearance since he badly stumbled over the names of which government agencies he would want to cut, Perry deftly mocked himself for the gaffe, but also waded into an awkward situation when he seemed to propose that the U.S. cut all foreign aid to Israel.

During a discussion of Pakistan, Perry proposed that the U.S. temporarily reduce all foreign aid "to zero," before re-evaluating whether to commit funds on a case-by-case basis. Perry was then asked if this proposition included Israel.

"Obviously Israel is a special ally, and my guess is we would be funding them at a high level," Perry responded, "but everyone should come in at zero."

Even before the debate was over, Perry's official Twitter account began doing limited damage control, tweeting "Perry is a friend to Israel, understands challenges faced by the country," along with a link to Perry's position statement on Israel.

Romney initially said during the debate that he supported Perry's idea of starting all foreign aid at zero, but has now walked back the implication that he would include Israel in that calculation.

"Governor Romney was talking about Pakistan when he said the foreign aid each year should start at zero," Romney spokesman Ryan Williams told Politico's Ben Smith. He added that he did not believe that Israel should see their foreign aid reduced to a starting point of zero.

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WASHINGTON -- At the Republican debate on foreign policy Saturday night, the party's candidates for president delivered a series of strong rebukes to the leadership of President Obama and offered a ra...
WASHINGTON -- At the Republican debate on foreign policy Saturday night, the party's candidates for president delivered a series of strong rebukes to the leadership of President Obama and offered a ra...
 
 
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RepublicanDepression
Of the1% by the1% for the Gerrymandering One% =GOP
12:28 AM on 11/16/2011
More proof of the colossal FAIL that is the GOP (Greedy One Percent):

http://www­.npr.org/t­emplates/s­tory/story­.php?story­Id=1588683­4
Waterboard­ing is torture:
http://sma­llwarsjour­nal.com/bl­og/waterbo­arding-is-­torture-pe­riod-links­-updated-9
Torture is a violation of the Geneva Convention (look at Convention­s III and IV please):
http://pub­lic.getleg­al.com/leg­al-info-ce­nter/inter­national-l­aw/geneva-­convention
Torture is a violation of the 8th amendment to the Constituat­ion of the United States of America (amendment­s 1-8 are know as the Bill of Rights):
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/T­orture_and­_the_Unite­d_States#B­ill_of_Rig­hts
It is also forbidden in domestic legislatio­n:
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/T­orture_and­_the_Unite­d_States#D­omestic_Le­gislation
Banned internatio­nally in
The universal declaratio­n of Human Rights:
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/U­niversal_D­eclaration­_of_Human_­Rights
The UN Convention Against Torture:
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/U­N_Conventi­on_Against­_Torture
The American Convention on Human Rights:
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/A­merican_Co­nvention_o­n_Human_Ri­ghts
Internatio­nal Covenant on Civil and Political Rights:
http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/I­nternation­al_Covenan­t_on_Civil­_and_Polit­ical_Right­s
And torture doesn't work (except to inflict pain and distress):
http://www­.military.­com/news/a­rticle/exi­nterrogato­r-torture-­doesnt--wo­rk.html
http://vox­-nova.com/­2008/04/24­/does-tort­ure-work/
http://har­pers.org/a­rchive/200­9/09/hbc-9­0005768
http://www­.aclu.org/­blog/natio­nal-securi­ty/listen-­sen-mccain­-torture-d­oesnt-work
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Blackhawk6
Stay Alert - Stay Alive!
01:43 PM on 11/15/2011
So this "Cain" caricature supports :

1) Electrocuting Mexicans by building a Super Powered Multi Zillion dollar fence
2) Torture
3) Sexual Harrassment
4) Taxing the poor and giving the rich breaks and incentives
5) Right to Life and Womens Rights in the same breath
6) Apples
7) Oranges
8) Pizza
999) Gargumel

Oh yeah...vote him in.
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Blackhawk6
Stay Alert - Stay Alive!
01:25 PM on 11/15/2011
"We're here tonight talking to the American people about why every single one of us is better than Barack Obama, and that's something everyone here can agree with," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said.

Who is he kidding?
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Blackhawk6
Stay Alert - Stay Alive!
01:22 PM on 11/15/2011
This article is HILARIOUS!
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Novelist56
Without research, all things are lies!
12:13 PM on 11/15/2011
Are they never sick of war? We are being soldiers home from a ten year war. And they want another one.

Which among them had been in a war? If they had they wouldn't be so quick to go back.
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BlueBird55
Love expands to meet demands.
01:57 PM on 11/15/2011
Fanned. "Are they never sick of war?" Such simplicity in that question, yet it exposes them for what they are.
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mehnar
economist,, spiritualist
10:46 AM on 11/15/2011
President Obama's foreign policy of democratization, the United States in terms of a more successful than Bush. Not making the armed forces in hot pursuit, as soon as possible in many states, has managed to live by the Arab spring. What will happen next, but yet gray.
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Novelist56
Without research, all things are lies!
12:11 PM on 11/15/2011
What? Please explain.
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Wanjiru
Debatably relatable ...
10:27 AM on 11/15/2011
And by referring to it as "Enhanced Interrogation", somehow this makes it more acceptable? Water-boarding is torture, GOTP, no matter how you try to slice it. You're basically advocating to legalize torture and quite frankly, that surprises me LESS than the fact that you still have any supporters at all - at this point.
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dmsdzinr
Progression wit a twist of sarcasm.
04:57 PM on 11/14/2011
What? You never heard of the Elusive, Endangered CL0WN HAWK????
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Ronald B. Robinson
Keeping the Jesuit Tradition Alive
03:21 PM on 11/14/2011
SOCIOPATHY and SADISM are NOT effective National Security strategies­!
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last boomer
I can no longer shop happily
01:46 PM on 11/14/2011
George W., not Ronald Reagan is the father of this Republican party, he really is. War, they say, is the last resort, but it is inevitably where they are headed. There is no need to bomb Iran, time is on our side, but the Tea Party Right here hates Muslims more than Communists so you have to take them at their word. They already have a formula: through ineptitude, allow a large terrorist strike to happen, then through fear marshal the country to mount a total war against their enemies, not ours.
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Vanessa in DC
Left is right & Right is "WRONG"
01:11 PM on 11/14/2011
EFFIN HAWKS.....Get on my gawd d@yum nerves!!!
12:29 PM on 11/14/2011
Yeah Mitt, we'll go to war/invade Iran when your five - never-been-in-the-military - sons lead the way into combat in Iran, and when they are tested for their endurance by water-boarding them.
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gnorrfa
Freedom's nothing else Toulouse
10:02 AM on 11/14/2011
These desperate, little people are playing to the bottom dwellers. The foul little creatures that live amongst us who thrill to sadism, revel in their hatred for our "enemies" and blossom to the sounds of drums, bugles and the sounds of troops marching to war. If some had cannibals in their mob constituency they'd offer up a large pot, complete with missionary. If they have a vision of a city on a hill, it's wreathed in flames with all our "enemies" shrieking, trapped inside! Not an inspirational bunch to set this country to work again and to cool the wrath on both sides and to bind us together in a common cause to get us employed, educated and more enlightened to understand all the different parts of the puzzle that could make this a better world.
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Susann Morgan
My BS Detector is calibrated twice a day.
09:47 AM on 11/14/2011
Perfidy is never an attractive trait in a leader. There will be times when certain interrogation techniques are necessary, the use of assassins, Black Op's, and ghost raids will be utilized to avoid catastrophic events. However, the use of Water Boarding was excessive and cruel, and dictated more by high emotions than intelligent interrogation.

By stating our prisoners were Unlawful Combatants, not POW's or civilians, Bush indicated to the International Community that he knew water boarding was considered a form of torture. He ignored the Geneva Convention and our own War Crimes Act of 1996. The passing of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 further solidifies the notion he knew he was wrong, and sought to protect himself and others from domestic and International Law while further striping away even the most basic rights of human beings.

I think GOP candidates would do well to read these Acts and Articles before speaking in favor of water boarding and similar techniques. Perhaps they wouldn't be so quick to agree to inflict them on people who, quite possibly, happen to be innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time.

*Article 13,Third Geneva Convention, prisoners of war must always be "humanely treated"
*Article18,Third Geneva Convention, prohibits "physical and mental torture, [and] any other form of coercion"
*Article 3, Fourth Geneva Convention, civilian prisoners must be protected from "cruel treatment and torture" and "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment,"
10:39 AM on 11/14/2011
Is this enemy following these rules??? If not then we must do unto them as they do unto us. That said I am against cruel and unusual punishment, but this a war. This isnt a game. They chop our heads off slowly for gods sake. And you think waterboarding is so bad? Atleast they get to live through the ordeal. most Americans are killed in very inhumane ways by our enemies. Then bodies are paraded around streets and torn to shreds. I can deal with a little torture to get vital info from a proven enemy. But no, I cant say i approve of any act against a civillian or a detainee. Close Gitmo, They have served their sentences and send them back home. bring our troops home and forget Iraq. We have bigger fish to fry soon.
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Just logic
11:25 AM on 11/14/2011
There is no evidence that torture produces useful information. If you were torturing someone they would tell you they hated their mother to get you to stop. If you think that what our enemies do is not ok then how do you justify doing it back to them. You have to win the hearts and minds not tell them what they do is ok.
12:16 PM on 11/14/2011
intersesting though i may have to rethink some of my positions.
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wonderYrednow
¿Y read backwards?
04:19 PM on 11/14/2011
FnF'd for clear and intelligent presentation of very murky issues.
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Susann Morgan
My BS Detector is calibrated twice a day.
08:18 PM on 11/14/2011
Thank you!
09:35 AM on 11/14/2011
Every candidate who does not consider waterboarding torture should submit themselves to the technique and see if it is indeed just "enhanced interrogation". Then I can take them seriously