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America's 'Brain Drain': Best And Brightest College Grads Head For Wall Street


First Posted: 11/16/11 11:11 AM ET Updated: 11/16/11 11:11 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- For employers in need of fresh talent, there are few better places to go than the Stanford University career center, where intelligent, over-achieving, creative and ambitious students stop by on their way toward picking up a degree or three.

Access to these top recruits is extremely valuable, and Stanford, like many other top-tier colleges, sells it to the highest bidder.

The Career Development Center (CDC) is quite explicit about the process. Its website advertises an "Employer Partner Program" that gives participating companies "a premier position in regard to on-campus recruiting."

There are three levels of giving, each with various degrees of perks, such as use of conference rooms and prime spots at career fairs. There are two companies at the Silver level, 17 at the Gold level, and five at the Platinum level, according to a list the CDC provided to The Huffington Post.

All of the organizations at the top level, Platinum, are financial and consulting firms. Of the 19 other sponsors, more than half also fall into those categories.

Lance Choy, director of Stanford's CDC, insisted that the Employer Partner Program wasn't meant to give certain groups special access to Stanford's students. Rather, it was designed to provide order to a recruiting process that was already dominated by the financial sector.

"Through the partnership program, we are able to control the recruiting activities of some of these more aggressive companies," said Choy. "Before, without the partnership program, the banks were going to student clubs, they were getting students to email things out to them. It was quite chaotic. ... By controlling the number of [interview] rooms [companies are] able to have, we're able to limit their recruiting activities and provide some space for other folks."

The list is a snapshot of where America's best and brightest are going to work after graduation. Instead of enrolling in medical school or putting their engineering degrees to work designing or building things, these bright minds are headed for Wall Street -- and, like the MIT students who took Las Vegas, figuring out ways to bring down the house.

In 2007, an astonishing 47 percent of Harvard University seniors said they planned to go into finance or consulting, according to a survey by The Crimson. In 2009, after the financial crisis, that number fell to 20 percent, but it could just as easily go back up when the economy recovers and jobs are being created in that sector once again.

There hasn't always been a "brain drain" of America's best and brightest to Wall Street.

In 2009, Calvin Trillin wrote an op-ed in The New York Times about a conversation he had had with a man in a Manhattan bar, who pinpointed the reason for the economic recession.

"The financial system nearly collapsed," he said, "because smart guys had started working on Wall Street."

"Did you ever hear the word 'derivatives'? Do you think our guys could have invented, say, credit default swaps? Give me a break! They couldn't have done the math," continued the man, speaking about the intellectually middling types of people who used to go into finance.

Trillin's conversation, though anecdotal, plays out in data that shows the type of people becoming Wall Street bankers has indeed changed over the last decade or so -- and it doesn't appear that society is better off for it.

But what if top students didn't go to Wall Street? What if, rather than creating complex financial products that collapsed the global economy, they were building bridges and creating new technologies instead?

As America struggles to create jobs and get back on its feet after the recession -- caused largely by the financial industry's recklessness -- the country is in desperate need of more entrepreneurs, inventors, scientists and other professionals, a complaint regularly made by non-Wall Street business leaders and members of both major political parties.

Lee Jackson is a senior economics major at Stanford who edits a financial newsletter called The Opportune Time. He has interned on Wall Street and plans to work in finance after graduation, but admits the profession needs reform.

"I think the emphasis is more on making money and making a profit, and there's been less emphasis ... on what the greater societal implications of that are," he said, pointing to fields like law and medicine that focus on the needs of the client or patient and have outreach programs to help low-income individuals. During the debate over Wall Street reform, meanwhile, bank lobbyists fought a provision in the Dodd-Frank legislation that would require financial companies to operate in the best interests of their clients.

"Over the past few years in the mainstream American culture, the bad side of American finance has come out time and time again," he added. "But my fear is that the good side of finance and the side that can help people save for retirement, build their own wealth and be able to support themselves [will be lost]."

Yet without a cultural shift and reforms that rein in the financial industry's sky-high profits and salaries, a disproportionate number of the best and the brightest will continue to head to Wall Street.

"Our financial system remains out of whack in terms of regulation, compensation, and until our economy is stronger, it's not surprising that young people will be attracted to the place where the money and jobs are," Elizabeth Warren, U.S. Senate candidate and creator of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, told The Huffington Post. "In a sense … it's a demand problem, [as well as] the fact there is not enough demand in the rest of the economy. It's both problems."

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Neil Shenai is working toward his Ph.D at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies. But before heading to graduate school, he worked on Wall Street, doing stints at Morgan Stanley and Citigroup after completing his undergraduate studies at Hopkins.

"I didn't particularly enjoy it," Shenai said. "I just felt like my skills were being put to poor use, basically trading in these financial weapons of mass destruction. Obviously the day-to-day stunk, but then there was also this weird sinking feeling that I was somehow involved in something that was detracting from the society in which I lived, and I hated that aspect of it even more than the hours."

Like so many other young people who end up on Wall Street, Shenai didn't go to college expecting to go into finance. He dreamt of becoming an academic, going to medical school or entering public service.

But two forces were working against him: peer pressure and aggressive recruiting by the financial industry, aided by his university.

"Everyone treated finance as this elite profession that smart people did after they graduated, especially people who aren't on another more structured path like medical school or law," he said. "It seemed like anybody who's just generically intelligent, skilled in the social sciences … the best of the best would go to Wall Street."

"There's subtle peer pressure that existed on campus. It definitely motivated me. I was a top student at Hopkins, and I expected to get financially rewarded for that," he added. "Wall Street recruited and played into the sense of, this is what the cool, smart kids are doing."

None of three of the largest recruiters agreed to speak for this piece. Goldman Sachs declined to comment, and inquiries to Morgan Stanley and JPMorgan Chase were not returned.

No one is arguing that all students should swear off going into finance or that Wall Street firms should be banned from recruiting on campuses. But too many students enter the financial sector not because it will allow them to make the most measurable contribution to society, but because they see the opportunity of a prestigious, disproportionately well-compensated job that will, in some cases, help them pay off a daunting pile of student loans.

That was certainly the motivation for a 2008 graduate from New York University who is now working in the marketing department of a financial services company in New York City.

The young man, who requested anonymity in order to speak openly, graduated with more than $100,000 in debt. He has now whittled that amount down to $80,000.

He does not particularly enjoy his job and he's actively searching for other opportunities. He says the management team at his company isn't helping him grow, and many of his daily tasks are "monotonous" and focused on "damage control."

He wants to make sure his next step is the right one before leaving. But part of the reason he's stayed for three years is because the job compensates well. Between his salary and annual bonus, he's making about $85,000 a year.

"Had I not had the same financial situation, I may have left earlier or sought other opportunities earlier, or even potentially taken jobs that weren't quite as well-compensated, just to have a better happiness factor and work-life balance," he said. "But unfortunately, I do have to keep the job because I have to pay these bills."

Members of the class of 2010 who took out student loans owed an average of $25,250 when they graduated, 5 percent more than the class before them. Approximately two-thirds of the class of 2010 borrowed for college. The amount continues to climb if students take out loans for graduate school.

Students without loans to pay back, meanwhile, can feel the "golden handcuffs" of a lucrative job. Living in New York City is expensive. There is the high price of rent, private school for the kids, parking for the new car, eating out at nice restaurants. Even people in their early 20s quickly begin to acclimate to their new lifestyle and find it difficult to revert back to a more modest one.

It can therefore be difficult to resist the high salaries of Wall Street. The average salary of a Goldman Sachs employee is $430,700. At Morgan Stanley, it's $256,596.

Last year, the Haas School of Business at the University of California, Berkeley put out a press release boasting that a group of its students working toward graduate degrees in financial engineering were interning at places such as JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and BNP Paribas. Their starting salaries were, on average, $7,839 a month. That works out to roughly $94,000 per year. And they were just interns.

"The real reason why people work on Wall Street -- it's not rocket science -- is because people follow incentives," said Shenai. "The main incentive is just huge compensation."

Jane Ammons is the chair of the School of Industrial and Systems Engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology. She told The Huffington Post that the majority of their 1,300 undergraduate students go to work for consulting or financial firms when they graduate.

She admitted that students are attracted to these fields because they pay well, but she pointed to a supply-and-demand situation.

"Twenty years ago, I think if you asked that question about what is the most popular direction for students to head, you would hear answers like manufacturing, logistics and those kinds of things," she said. "As manufacturing jobs have headed offshore, students have taken some of those same quantitative skills and headed other directions and are doing well with it."

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The 32 U.S. college students who win Rhodes Scholarships to Oxford University each year arguably represent America's best and brightest. They have gone on to excel in nearly every field, becoming presidents, scientists, senators, lawyers, actors and scholars.

But in recent years, they, like many other young people, have been heading to Wall Street.

"Only three American Rhodes scholars in the 1970s (out of 320) went directly into business from Oxford; by the late 1980s the number grew to that many in a year. Recently, more than twice as many went into business in just one year than did in the entire 1970s," wrote Elliot Gerson, American secretary of the Rhodes Trust, in a 2009 Washington Post op-ed, pointing out that the trend coincided with "great increases in occupational earnings differentials, which have continued to grow, seemingly exponentially."

Cornell University sends 18 percent of its engineering graduates into financial services, according to data provided by the school's Engineering Co-op and Career Services. JPMorgan is the largest employer of engineering graduates, coming in 10th place out of all employers.

Beverly Hamilton-Chandler, director of Princeton's Office of Career Services, told The Huffington Post that over the past three years, "the top industries for full-time employment" for Princeton graduates have been finance, services/consulting and the nonprofit sector.

"The financial industry has had a long-established history of recruiting at Princeton and other Ivies, and because firms in this industry generally have larger recruiting budgets at their disposal, their recruitment efforts tend to be more visible to students," she said, stressing that their office strives to maintain relationships with a wide range of employers from all fields.

During a Sept. 21 Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing about Google's competition policy, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said, "JPMorgan, I've been told, has more computer programmers than companies like Google or Microsoft."

Expect those numbers to go up. On Aug. 31, JPMorgan announced that it was committed to doubling the number of engineering interns it hires in 2012 and would be joining the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness Initiative, which aims to add 10,000 engineering graduates each year.

"JPMorgan Chase has been committed to hiring engineering majors into its technology and operations programs in the U.S., steadily increasing the number of engineering interns it hires each year since 2009," boasted the firm.

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WASHINGTON -- For employers in need of fresh talent, there are few better places to go than the Stanford University career center, where intelligent, over-achieving, creative and ambitious students st...
WASHINGTON -- For employers in need of fresh talent, there are few better places to go than the Stanford University career center, where intelligent, over-achieving, creative and ambitious students st...
WASHINGTON -- For employers in need of fresh talent, there are few better places to go than the Stanford University career center, where intelligent, over-achieving, creative and ambitious students st...
WASHINGTON -- For employers in need of fresh talent, there are few better places to go than the Stanford University career center, where intelligent, over-achieving, creative and ambitious students st...
 
 
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09:06 AM on 12/20/2011
As the US media labels me I'm a "Millennial". I can safely say that our American culture has crushed "innovation". Being the "best of the best" does not foster innovation and/or creativity. Our individual-obsessed, "boot strap", standardized test-obsessed American culture does not provide fertile ground for creativity and innovation. Ask any person my age, and at the bottom of their heart, they feel the same thing. Unless you score perfect SAT scores, have connections, or have money, you're kind of screwed. The "best and the brightest" usually have one or at least all of those things. This change has taken place, as far as I can see it, over the last 10-15 years. Take for example my brother. He's fairly creative/talented individual, "got lucky" and got into a very good arts institute on the West Coast in the early 90s, and is big bucks in the entertainment industry. No way this can/would happen today. When I say "got lucky", the dean at the school was a prominent person in the entertainment industry who was open to supporting persons who had the DRIVE to succeed in the industry, more than anything. My brother had the creativity, but even more than this, he had the DRIVE and the SUPPORT of someone to help him. This is what lacks in our American society - SUPPORT for those who want to succeed!!!
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12:07 AM on 12/05/2011
"Best and the brightest head to wall street", it means to work there, not stand out on Wall street and whine.
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03:59 PM on 11/23/2011
i know A LOT of people from my grad school days that have gone to finance. wall street has been an option for any university degree holder in the sciences or engineering for well over 10 yrs now. you can't fault these guys for making the decision 'cause the original dream of academia goes bye bye once you learn how difficult it is to secure a tenure track position at a good 4 year school let alone a research university. unless your the best of the best of the best of the best and then some it'll be really difficult. this is for a 60k per year salary generally. a lot of tenure track academic positions go to folks with a primary education outside the US since its much stronger overseas then they come to the US for our university system. wall street offers really high salaries, which offers the opportunity to save a lot in a short span of time. having worked as an engineer it sounds like these finance new hires had the same complaints i did as a younger man. but in engineering you don't bring down the worlds economy when you make a mistake. at the end of the day, the brain drain can start to stop of people resist the urge.
05:58 PM on 11/19/2011
I am surprised to say this, but I agree with you. As I was just telling my daughter, the last thing you want in your banker is creativity, "thinking outside of the box", and strong personalities. You want the stereotypical Swiss guy as your banker. Big on tradition, process, very sensible, conservative and cautious. When I worked in the financial district in the 1980s, the bankers had a uniform of a dark suit I think it was blue... and a white button down shirt, with a conservative tie. Women too. Similar concept to the military - the individual is part of a whole and it is not a good thing to be seen as flamboyant or adventurous. I don't think this precludes intelligence, nobody likes a stupid banker, but there is a definite personality type for what we will come to view as the ideal banker. The risk takers should be out taking risks in other areas of the economy - banking and finance should facilitate, not become the end goal. While I am at it, a similar thing can be said for government. That is not the place to change the world, it is where the business of the people gets done. Our government is so hideously corrupt and inept and fully paved in what I am sure were at one point good intentions. Look up which road is paved with those.
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MarsAmbassador
Per angusta ad augusta
04:36 PM on 11/19/2011
The media protected Wall Street and still does. AKA the weapons of mass distraction protect the weapons of mass destruction. Why? Because they're all owned by the same people. All major media is corporate owned and has their own interests to protect.
02:52 AM on 11/19/2011
The smartest people get the best jobs.
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Virginia Beringer
05:34 PM on 11/18/2011
What happened to philanthropy and altruism in this county? Young people used to choose careers that would help others and enrich the planet, not their wallets. What happened that we Americans are now wedded to the philosophy of the almighty dollar? Hey, best and brightest, Wall Street makes NOTHING, contributes NOTHING, and sucks the life from our nation like a vampire.
06:06 PM on 11/19/2011
I believe the example set by the last crop of "young people choosing careers that would help others" ie babyboomers currently helping themselves to billions of $$ of taxpayer money, soured young people on that career choice because they will be paying for it for the rest of their lives. The only thing that pays enough to cover the BB debt is Wall Street. And not to be mundane or boring or anything, but the guy who opens an insurance brokerage or pest-control service is doing far more to help others than any government do-gooder job. That guy is providing a way for multiple other people to earn a living. Government is actually what SUCKS THE LIFE OUT OF THE NATION AND PRODUCES NOTHING!. IT TAKES FROM OTHERS WHO PRODUCE - WITHOUT THOSE OTHERS, GOVERNMENT TYPES WOULD BE SITTING ON ROCKS WRITING MEMOS IN THE MUD WITH STICKS.
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VOTE!
10:25 AM on 11/18/2011
The money god is Americas god, our sense of morality and empathy is determined by the amount of money someone has. Just check out the many hateful remarks made on any thread having to do with the poor or those that need medical help. The religious far right should target the complete take over of money = person-hood mind set that defines today's America, Oh wait, that would mean having to sell their multimillion dollar churches and homes.
09:46 AM on 11/18/2011
The alternative for these students is what? There is a glut of Ph.D.’s so that most can’t find university positions. It is criminal how universities continue to recruit students into programs that lead to no job. Medicine? Med Schools are filled already . Law School? Already too many lawyers and most don’t wind-up in high paying positions. Public service? Already too many people on the public payroll doing nothing important. The idea that if these people stayed in science or engineering they would invent something great is unlikely because knowledge and creativity are not synonyms. Finally who has the right to tell them what they can or can’t do with their lives?
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Virginia Beringer
05:39 PM on 11/18/2011
Sure, no one can dictate values and morals to someone else. But our nation has gone astray when all anyone considers is how much money they will make. And no, medicine, law, public service are still great career choices. Much of the nation faces a shortage of medical personnel, there will always be crime and corporations that need lawyers, and there is no higher calling than to serve your community. Ditto to just about any profession but the finance business, which involves cheating, lying and stealing under the guise of doing a good job.
06:13 PM on 11/19/2011
In it's current form it does, similar to the present manifestation of our government. Both are required, however, in some form, preferably well under control of the people and serving their intended purpose as facilitators for the people who would like to spend their lives as productive, law-abiding individuals. We now have a heck of a fight on our hands to wrest power from Wall Street and Washington, who are in cahoots up to their eye-balls. The GD left allowed the unrestrained growth of the government, and the GD right deregulated the banking industry. Those two have mated and mutated into godzilla. So lefties, get control of your left and if there is a righty on this site, get control of your greedy part. Finance and government need to be beaten back into submission. Or it is really gonna suck.
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davisboundmarine
10:40 AM on 11/19/2011
Med schools are expanding their capacity to meet our coming critical shortage of doctors. Science and Engineering fields always need people, since we spent so long educating the rest of the worlds scientists and engineers. And if they were creative enough to come up with financial tricks that nearly destroyed the global economy I think they could probably come up with things that may benefit people instead. Unless their powers are only good for doing evil of course...
03:36 PM on 11/19/2011
"if they were creative enough to come up with financial tricks that nearly destroyed the global economy I think they could probably come up with things that may benefit people instead." Would you hire someone who demolishes buildings to build your house? Also since no one set out to destroy the financial system yet it almost happened one can conclude that these are not the people to count on for positive solutions.
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lecloche
12:57 AM on 11/18/2011
Yep. Go into hock up to your ears so that you can go to work for one of the companies that forced you to go into hock in the first place. Not too bright.
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cromag
ban the parties
11:45 PM on 11/17/2011
Why not? If you can grab the brass ring, go for it. Like it says, incentive. Now once there maybe try and change things.
Look at engineering for example: Do well in school, get good job, then get replaced by a foreign worker here a visa because your company can pay them half what they pay you.
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Virginia Beringer
05:42 PM on 11/18/2011
My stepson came out of college with an engineering degree and immediately had a job, even in THIS economy. My son finished his programming degree and had employers fighting over him with multiple jobs to choose from. There ARE good degrees that don't involve the financial industry and the sale of your soul.
06:22 PM on 11/19/2011
I wonder where those hiring companies go to get new capital to expand their businesses enough to be able to hire your relatives? any idea?
10:20 PM on 11/17/2011
This is a national tragedy and waste of talent.
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09:39 PM on 11/17/2011
Think before you sell your soul and become a inancial terrorist,...
08:46 PM on 11/17/2011
And then there is the farewell letter from Andrew Lahde, fund manager, who
identified problems correctly before the crisis and then good profits selling short.
His letter is intentionally provocative, he has a different idea talent and education
(his experience when shorting at the right time) and has lost none of edge.
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/good-bye-from-a-hedge-fund-manager/
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Hanover Fiste
guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl
07:09 PM on 11/17/2011
Hard to blame someone for going for the money when it has been proven over and over if you don't insulate yourself you are simply fodder. I imagine with capitalism it would have ended here no matter what.
06:31 PM on 11/19/2011
That is because you have a faulty imagination.With capitalism, all parties would have been playing with their own money and I dare say would have not undertaken the monkey business they did. It is because the government took away the risk to the concerned parties that we are in this mess. Capitalism acknowledges the darker side of human nature and deals with it - via failure of unbridled greediness and stupidity. It is the government which pretends nobody cheats and everybody is a victim and they themselves are "altruistic". Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely - competition and limited government are the natural mechanisms available to us to prevent this. Mohamar Q and Lenin both started out as Heroes, liberators - not so true at the end.