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Eurozone Economy Grew 0.2 Percent In 3Q 2011

Eurozone Economy 3q 2011

CARLO PIOVANO and PAN PYLAS   11/15/11 05:01 PM ET   AP

LONDON — Europe appears headed for a recession – if it isn't in one already.

Economic growth has all but stopped in Europe, statistics showed Tuesday. The stall comes just when Italy, Greece and other nations need growth to help them wriggle out of the chokehold of debt.

The European Union economy grew a paltry 0.2 percent in July, August and September compared with the three months before, the EU statistics agency said. That is the same growth rate as the previous quarter, and far slower than the 0.7 percent before that.

And the picture is probably even worse. The statistics did not include Italy and Greece, the two countries in the most debt trouble. And their debt crisis only got worse in October, the month after this snapshot was taken.

Besides lowering standards of living and hurting the job market in Europe, a recession would be bad news for the U.S., which sells 20 percent of its exports to Europe, and for Asia.

Taken as a whole, Europe also has the largest economy in the world, producing $16.2 trillion in goods and services last year. The United States produced $14.5 trillion last year, China $5.9 trillion.

So economic sickness in Europe has the ability to slow growth around the world.

"People are uncertain," said Ferdinand Fichtner of the German Economic Institute DIW. "That is poison for growth."

Fear that the economic slowdown will make the debt crisis worse were evident in financial markets Tuesday. Borrowing costs rose for many nations, an indication that investors are nervous about lending to them.

In Italy, the yield on the closely watched 10-year bond rose back above 7 percent, even though a new government has replaced the dysfunctional regime of Silvio Berlusconi. The yield rose above 7 percent for the first time last week and helped drive Berlusconi from office. And yields of 7 percent forced Greece and other European countries to seek bailouts.

The yield was at 7.04 percent late Tuesday, up 0.46 percentage points from the day before. Spain was at 6.29 percent, up 0.22 percentage points, and France was at 3.66 percent, up 0.23 percentage points.

Higher bond yields triggered by slow – or no – growth create a vicious cycle that is difficult for a country to stop. When the yield goes up on its debt, a country must spend more money paying interest. If the economy isn't growing, then the deficit grows, and countries have to borrow even more. Cut services to close the gap, and the economy can slow even more.

The two largest economies in Europe, Germany and France, kept growing from July through September, but not much faster than their neighbors – 0.5 percent in Germany and 0.4 percent in France.

What happens in those countries matters in the rest of Europe. When the Germany economy booms, Germans are more likely to help, say, the Italian economy by buying Italian cars, indulging in an Italian suit or booking a vacation to an Italian villa.

The Netherlands, traditionally a competitive economy, unexpectedly saw its economy shrink in the third quarter. And countries across Europe are at risk of slowing as the debt crisis spreads to other countries and looms over all of them.

"The uncertainty caused by the sovereign debt crisis is lying like mildew upon the eurozone economy," said Christope Weil, an economist at Commerzbank, referring to the 17 nations in the EU that use the euro as their currency.

The European Commission warned recently that unemployment in that 17-nation club, already 10.2 percent, would remain high for the foreseeable future. Unemployment in the United States is 9 percent.

The 0.2 percent growth in the EU compares with 0.6 percent growth in the United States in the third quarter compared with the quarter before – not exactly sizzling, but at least better. Japan, which is making up for lost economic output after the earthquake and tsunami last March, grew 1.5 percent.

U.S. policymakers frequently cite Europe's crisis as one of the top threats facing the American economy.

"Unfortunately, we can't disassociate ourselves from Europe. The things that are happening there do affect us," Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said earlier this month. "I hope very much that the Europeans will find a set of solutions that will allow markets to calm down and take off some of the headwinds from the U.S. economy."

Paul Dales, senior U.S. economist at Capital Economics, estimates that a recession in Europe would shave about half a percentage point off U.S. economic growth in 2012, cutting it to 1.5 percent. Others have similar estimates.

A survey last week by the Federal Reserve showed that European banks with operations in the United States are tightening lending. Europe's troubles also hurt China, where products are assembled and shipped to European countries.

American banks have not lent much money to other banks or governments in Europe's most troubled countries. That limits the risk if European banks take a hit because they own bonds issued by countries that can't pay them off.

Dales said U.S. banks had much greater exposure to Asia during a financial crisis there in the late 1990s than they now do to Europe. And the U.S. economy "sailed through" the Asia crisis, he said.

The U.S. could be hurt, though, by a freeze in global lending, similar to what happened after Lehman Brothers investment bank collapsed in 2008. Banks were too worried to lend to each other, increasing borrowing costs for everyone.

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AP Economics Writer Christopher S. Rugaber in Washington and Associated Press writer Melissa Eddy in Berlin contributed to this report.

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LONDON — Europe appears headed for a recession – if it isn't in one already. Economic growth has all but stopped in Europe, statistics showed Tuesday. The stall comes just when Italy, Gre...
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06:43 AM on 11/16/2011
I live in Europe and italian Oscar Benigni, in his recent speech, suggested this thoght to me:

http://basfardo.blogspot.com/2011/11/contributo-per-la-gracia-dichiarazione.html

Tell me if you like it!
06:35 AM on 11/16/2011
Germany has a higher debt to GDP ratio than Spain,and it's banks made more bad investments than any other European banks.they aren't the super economy that has the capability of bailing Europe out with their taxes,like they're pretending to be in their indignity against the southerners.they are in the same boat.
06:24 AM on 11/16/2011
400 billion.American banks are owed at least that much not including the derivative swap insurance garbage they are supposed to pay out.That's not nothing,like this article implies.
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02:37 PM on 11/15/2011
THE EUROZONE IS DEAD,,,IT IS COMMUNIST IN PRACTICE.............IT NEEDS TO DIE,,AND BEGIN ANEW.................................
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troutster
Fish fear me. Otherwise, I'm pretty harmless.
01:18 PM on 11/15/2011
Governments with high debt bail out their banks, increasing the sovereign debt. Then the banks buy the bonds issued by the governments. So they're both broke and both borrowing from each other.

Enter the Chinese. Of course, they'll want collateral...like maybe Paris. Which they'll rename Beijing West.
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Dadfirst
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12:40 PM on 11/15/2011
Short the Euro!
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troutster
Fish fear me. Otherwise, I'm pretty harmless.
01:28 PM on 11/15/2011
euo - shorting the euro - has made a good run in 2 months. I think I'll get in with a little. Seriously, we see some little blips of good news, bad news, but I think you're right. The euro is going down, and euo is going up.
12:17 PM on 11/15/2011
As usual, Zero Hedge commentary kicks AZZZZ---

There is no way Europe is going to "grow its way out of this debt." How much of the eurozone's "growth" was the result of rampant malinvestment and risky borrowing? More than anyone dares admit. It won't take austerity to crash the euroland economy, all it will take is turning off the debt spigot...Life will go on if the banks are wiped out and closed, pension funds and insurance companies take losses, etc. If those who made the bets for their own private gain aren't forced to absorb the risk, then we don't live in either capitalism or democracy; we live in a financial-fascist tyranny.
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11:41 AM on 11/15/2011
European Socialism is a failure. You haven't seen anything yet. There is no way out of this no matter how many Technocrats they throw at the problem. Deleveraging will happen, when it does Europe will be very very different.
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drbob601
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11:37 AM on 11/15/2011
Should this be a surprise to anyone that's been following recent developments in Euroland? "Austerity measures" lead to anemic economic growth (and quite possibly economic contraction). One doesn't need a degree from the Wharton School to see the connection.

Slashing public spending in the middle of a downturn is a prescription for disaster...as British PM David Cameron recently discovered. “UK GDP grew by 0.5%… in Q3, but the position the economy is in is now officially worse than it was in the aftermath of the Great Depression. Add to this the weakening in the composite PMI survey for October (particularly the manufacturing report), also published this week, and escalating risks for a sharper euro area recession, and the stage possibly looks set for a much bleaker picture by the end of this year.” (http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2011/11/has_austerity_b.html).

Similar dynamics are playing out in Spain as well (http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2011/11/11/743501/)

Contractionary policies lead to retrenchment and recession, not fiscal expansion and recovery (despite what many conservatives claim) In every case, austerity has added to deflationary pressures, increased turmoil in the credit markets, and declines in GDP.

It should now be quite clear that European leaders (old and new) are left with a stark choice – print money or allow the break-up of the Eurozone and the end of the common currency known as the Euro.
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10:36 AM on 11/15/2011
Germany leads the Eurozone GDP rate, with 0,5%!

This is what excessive austerity does.
The Third Quarter GDP rate in the US was 2.5%.

What Eurozone needs is a long term debt reduction plan, but avoid too drastic spending cuts, which slow down the economy.

Paul Krugman has been saying this for 3 years.
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ruolivert
10:46 AM on 11/15/2011
Long term? They can't service their debt now. Greece is bankrupt, Italy is bankrupt, Spain is bankrupt, and Germany and France will go bankrupt because they have to support the rest of them. It's over
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10:58 AM on 11/15/2011
Greece would go bankrupt without the bailout, but not Italy. Don't lump all countries together. Each has a different problem: economic and political.

The point is that Germany and France are baling out Greece anyway. Why not do it the right way?
11:47 AM on 11/15/2011
what needs to be considered is that greater europe has been around for MANY centuries ..it wont be going away any time soon .. the lumping togeather as a 'eurozone' is a recent phenominum which put bankers in charge and allowed borrowing on an unprescedented scale ..Spain, for instance, completely rebulit its infrastructure in less than a decade.due to the availabilty of huge amounts of 'cheap' money ...add in the corruption of all those charged with 'governence' taking thier cut 'under the table'..and there area few 'issues' to resolve.. one of them is this :- you are now 'high risk' ..so we will have to charge you more 'interest' .. and your people will have to pay more taxes and accept less to cover the cost.. again :- who call's the shots ? that's the main issue . another issue is :- the fallacy that 'continual growth' is possible in a system with finite rescources ....it isn't .
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11:01 AM on 11/15/2011
"The Third Quarter GDP rate in the US was 2.5%" : no, it wasn't, it is an estimated growth for the entire year (and it could be less than that with the current crisis).
But you're right about austerity.
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11:12 AM on 11/15/2011
"The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the United States expanded 2.5 percent in the third quarter of 2011 over the previous quarter"
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
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muysuave41
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10:35 AM on 11/15/2011
Indeed, we are on borrowed time. Only a handful of euro economies will be champions. The rest of us will be in the dumps for years to come.
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ruolivert
10:49 AM on 11/15/2011
There is only one economy in Europe, that was the point of the Euro. One country goes down they all go down. Why do you think Greece has been languishing for the better part of this year?
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09:49 AM on 11/15/2011
I notice this article isn't getting much attention. I think most Americans consider Europe to be a world away, but if this hits big then it's going make Lehman Bros look like a minor setback.
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Lesperado
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11:18 AM on 11/15/2011
What is happening with the EU is effecting our stock market every day.
11:50 AM on 11/15/2011
Persoannly..i dont care about the stock market .. i'm tired of the perpetaul bombardment of 'news' regarding the dow jones every hour.. its a religion ..and its a very bogus religion.
09:05 AM on 11/15/2011
Most of this growth actually comes from Germany, with a tiny bit from France.
The reality is that Berlin is pushing hard for unification to calm the markets.
Der Spiegel had a good piece on this last night....
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2011/11/15/revealed-merkel-schauble-eyeing-sweeping-changes-to-german-constitution/
04:32 PM on 11/15/2011
By unification are you referring to the creation of a totally new country, i.e. a United States of Europe?
06:27 AM on 11/16/2011
They aren't going to unify at this point.what they need to do is print more money,or have the whole currency implode.
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bigfrog
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09:05 AM on 11/15/2011
I don't see Italy curing itself any time soon, in fact I think eventually it will go the same way as Greece. The Eurozone is fast approaching the edge of a very steep cliff, if it goes over the edge then the pain will spread throughout the entire global economy.
I just hope the politicians have learnt their lesson, but I doubt it.
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11:44 AM on 11/15/2011
Italy can not cure itself, that is a fact. Europe can not bail them out, Europe can not stop the deleveraging. The Eurozone has already gone over the cliff, but like Wiley Coyote, it has not begun to plummet.
abhorson
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08:55 AM on 11/15/2011
Romania grew by 4.4% in Q3 ... what did they do ???