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Majority Of New Yorkers Say Occupy Wall Street Has A Right To Stay In The Park: Poll

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 11/15/11 11:55 AM ET Updated: 11/15/11 06:01 PM ET

When New York mayor Michael Bloomberg had Zuccotti Park cleared of protesters Monday night, he did so against the wishes of most New Yorkers.

A poll released Tuesday from the Siena College Research Institute found that while many New York State voters believe the Occupy Wall Street movement lacks a clear message, a majority of them also think the protesters should be allowed to stay in public parks around the clock.

The survey, conducted only days before police officers evacuated Zuccotti Park on Mayor Bloomberg's orders early Tuesday morning, is the latest in a series of public opinion polls finding broad tolerance for Occupy Wall Street protesters who began camping out in lower Manhattan two months ago to demonstrate against income inequality, corporate influence in government and other topics.

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In mid-October, a Quinnipac University survey of New York City residents also found a sizable majority -- 72 percent of all respondents, including 52 percent of Republicans -- said that as long as the Occupy protesters obeyed the law, they should be able to stay as long as they wanted.

In the weeks since that poll was conducted, the relationship between various Occupy encampments and their local authorities has grown noticeably more troubled. Protesters have clashed with police at a number of locations, most notably at Occupy Oakland, where a clash with police left an Iraq War veteran in critical condition. Three deaths have occurred at or near Occupy sites in Oakland, Salt Lake City and Burlington, Vermont.

Yet the New York State residents in the Siena poll maintain that Occupy demonstrators should continue to be allowed to use the public space. Fifty-seven percent of respondents in the Siena poll said that Occupy Wall Street should be allowed to remain in public parks 24 hours a day, compared with 40 percent who said they should not.

At the same time, only 37 percent of people in the poll said they believe the Occupy movement has a clear message, while 58 percent said it does not. And respondents agreed by a margin of more than two to one that Occupy Wall Street does not represent the "99 percent" of Americans -- one of the protesters most popular rallying cries.

Still, Occupy Wall Street is more popular with Americans than other grassroots movements. The Occupy movement has fared better than the Tea Party, both in New York State and nationwide. Americans also have a more favorable view of Occupy Wall Street than they do of Wall Street itself. In addition, as of October 26, 43 percent of Americans said they agree with the views of the Occupy movement, compared with 27 percent who said they don't agree.

As of Tuesday morning, Zuccotti Park, which was cleaned and emptied of most of the protesters' possessions during the night, remained closed, according to The New York Times. Lawyers acting on behalf of the Occupy protesters have issued a restraining order, which will be argued at a court hearing Tuesday.



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Via HuffPost Miami:

When an Occupy Miami member offered evicted protestors vacant apartments in a building he owns in Downtown Miami's Overtown neighborhood, it seemed like the perfect solution: the 'Peace City' space would provide headquarters for the movement and shelter a small faction of the group's most vulnerable members. But it hasn't gone well. Other tenants say the building has become a cesspool of drug use and violence while non-resident Occupy Miami members are trying to distance themselves from the 'radicals' -- all while the two factions are wrestling for control over Occupy Miami's social media sites and future plans.

From the Miami New Times:

The feud between the Overtown occupiers and more mainstream members has only gotten worse. The two factions are now battling for control of Occupy Miami's social media sites. The movement's main Twitter account recently announced it had been "hijacked by a small, non-consensus group of radical members." The Occupy Miami Facebook page was also temporarily hacked by someone inside Peace City. Meanwhile, the Overtown occupation is slowly driving away more moderate members.

"This is a black eye on the Occupy movement," says Shannon Reaze, an Overtown community organizer and Occupy Miami supporter who is now helping tenants move out of Paz's building. "The violence and drugs going on here are way outside of what I thought Occupy stood for. This place is destabilized."

...The supposedly hard-core activists here spend their days drinking and getting high. And as Peace City devolves into lawlessness, the most committed occupiers are leaving. Local landowners and politicians want the place shut down, while cops are suspicious. Yet as long as Paz wants the protesters around, nothing short of a demolition order can keep them out.

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Via HuffPost DC:

WASHINGTON -- Occupy DC has a new lawsuit involving tents on its hands. But it doesn't involve temporary structures in McPherson Square.

Two protesters arrested during a February action outside Merrill Lynch's offices on 15th Street NW near McPherson Square have filed suit against the Metropolitan Police Department, Legal Times reports. (Read the complaint here.)

The plaintiffs, Samuel Dukore and Kelly Canavan, were part of a "targeted occupation" of Merrill Lynch on Feb. 13 where protesters were raising awareness about Merrill Lynch's reportedly close ties with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.). Issa, for his part, claims that the reports of these close ties are "wildly inaccurate."

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OWS reports via its website:

After the brutal attack on the attempted re-occupation of Liberty Square by NYPD on the 6-month anniversary of #OWS, a number of Occupiers have relocated their base of occupation to Union Square in midtown Manhattan, a point of convergence for several #OWS protests over the past 6 months.

According to reports on the ground, several dozen people slept in the park after the illegal and violent raid on Liberty Square. Over 70 people remain, now on Day 3. Although tents and tables are still banned, Occupiers have brought blankets and sleeping gear. Many are calling it ¨the new Occupation.¨ In addition to holding General Assemblies, Union Square Occupiers are providing vital jail support for those arrested on #M17 as they are released from NYPD custody. So far, the NYPD has made no attempt to remove Occupiers or prevent them from sleeping in the park.

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Occupy Long Beach is defending the mother's home. For more information, click here.

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The woman had the apparent seizure has been identified by the New York Observer as Cecily McMillan:

Cecily McMillan, an Occupy Wall Street activist once profiled in Rolling Stone, suffered a seizure Saturday night during protest action near Zuccotti Park. Many on-scene reported Ms. McMillan had trouble breathing after she was tackled and handcuffed by law enforcement.

A video uploaded to Youtube late Saturday night purports to show the attack. Two women can be heard commenting, “There’s Cecily,†then there is confusion as the police clearly perform a violent take-down on someone in the crowd.

According to Jeff Sharlet’s November, 2011 article about the Occupy Movement, this may be Ms. McMillan’s second violent encounter with police.

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Cops caught on video about 10 seconds in taking down the woman who had the apparent seizure:

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Watch video from inside Zuccotti Park as police moved in late last night:

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The paper reports from last night's chaos at Zuccotti Park:

At one point, a woman who appeared to be suffering from seizures flopped on the ground in handcuffs as bystanders shouted for the police to remove the cuffs and provide medical attention. For several minutes the woman lay on the ground as onlookers made increasingly agonized demands until an ambulance arrived and the woman was placed inside.

By 12:20 a.m., a line of officers pushed against some of the remaining protesters, forcing them south on Broadway, at times swinging batons and shoving people to the ground.

Kobi Skolnick, 30, said that officers pushed him in several directions and that as he tried to walk away, he was struck from behind in the neck. “One of the police ran and hit me with a baton,†he said.

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@ Greg_Palast : Our photographer ZD Roberts beaten @OWS Zucotti Park by cops. Thrown to ground, hair grabbd, hit with clubs while yelling, I'M PRESS PRESS!

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@ macfathom : Doubling east on Barclay, and now the ragged front of the march is at City Hall. #OWS

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@ LuddoftheFuture : girl in the street having a seizure and the cops have her in handcuffs. can this get any worse (live at http://t.co/4pLyy3gP)

Activists cry out for paramedics. The woman is limp on the ground. "Come on you violent bastards where's the paramedics?"

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@ jeffrae : March is heading north up broadway #ows #occupywallstreet

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@ macfathom : Dozens of arrests, many cuffed and sitting on broadway waiting for their ride to jail. #OWS

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@ RDevro : Police are barricading the park. It's cleared. I witnessed countless violent arrests. No way to estimate numbers.

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@ troutish : Protesters being dragged out by the head at #OWS #Zucotti Park http://t.co/qomhKkrA

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Cops pulling apart human chains. There are shouts for mic checks. Now, chants start forming. "The NYPD are sweeping through," says Tim on the live stream.

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@ ANIMALNewYork : Police are moving in. It's chaos.

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@ ANIMALNewYork : NYPD just made an announcement that Brookfield has to "clean the park" and Liberty Plaza is officially "closed."

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@ OccupyWallStNYC : Bagpipers just started marching into the park bringing the party mood with them, NYPD arrested one of them, and things got real heated. #OWS

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@ JackieHRye : NYPD just "destroyed" the tent in Zuccotti Park, Occupiers call for its re-building. Marching band also going through the park. #OWS

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@ RDevro : The tent in the middle of the park continues to fill with people planning to stay the night. Lots of energy here.

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Activists ask for more room as the tent is growing, expanding.

"It looks like a floating tent." -- as Tim on his live stream.

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@ OccupyWallStNYC : .@justawall is leading us in a song! "Hit the road, banks! And don't ya come back no more no more no more no more!" #OWS

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Activists have assembled make-shift, cardboard sleeping areas inside Zuccotti Park. The cardboard is joined by a large green tarp.

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@ RDevro : A tarp is going up in Zuccotti as protesters march around the park chant-dancing. #m17 http://t.co/rJfP3GF9

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When New York mayor Michael Bloomberg had Zuccotti Park cleared of protesters Monday night, he did so against the wishes of most New Yorkers. A poll released Tuesday from the Siena College Res...
When New York mayor Michael Bloomberg had Zuccotti Park cleared of protesters Monday night, he did so against the wishes of most New Yorkers. A poll released Tuesday from the Siena College Res...
 
 
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Dosadi 10:45 PM on 11/15/2011
“Moreover, I believe that the natural resources must be used for the benefit of all our people, and not monopolized for the benefit of the few, and here again is another case in which I am accused of taking a revolutionary attitude. People forget now that one hundred years ago there were public men of good character who advocated the nation selling its public lands in great quantities, so that the nation  Read More...
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rr52
11:30 AM on 11/25/2011
The people have spoken. That's the whole essence of the movement. So let them back in the park.
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plansmaker
Will China Bailout America For Alaska & Hawaii
10:23 AM on 11/20/2011
If majority of New Yorkers supports OWS to stay is because all the "police misbhaviors" has caught up with public...If city is smart, they let them back to Zocotti Park, providing they (OWS) keept it clean, safe, respectful and peaceful...
NYPD can be a partner with OWS to maintain safty in the park and NYSD regularly sanitize the park. Its a win win situation.
If OWS is blocking traffic, vadalize shops, taking dump in the streets, clashes with cops, the all bets are OFF...
09:52 PM on 11/19/2011
Any city - including New York - that is using violence to interrupt OWS should be on a travel-visitor blacklist.

It worked in Arizona after SB1070 - by last count 2010 convention business was down $830 million dollars. While there might not be a protest in YOUR neighborhood - this movement can be SUPPORTED by everyone!
03:42 PM on 11/17/2011
I wonder how many of the leave them alone crowd have to live around the noise and filth these people are bringing. Loosing more and more interest in this out of control movement.
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Watching rock grow
It's a practice in patience
01:57 PM on 11/17/2011
I just can’t believe the push to end OWS has nothing to do with the resurrection of no increase in taxes and the deficit talk, in Washington D.E. as the Super Committee comes closer to its deadline.
12:38 AM on 11/17/2011
I say evict Bloomberg
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PatrickforO
America needs a Labor Party
09:41 PM on 11/16/2011
Justice delayed is justice denied!
09:19 PM on 11/16/2011
MAJORITY SUPPORT OWS!

MINORITY SUPPORT THE F.ASCIST GOVERNMENT AND THE FASCISTS ON WALL STREET.
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K August
Research alecexposed
06:53 PM on 11/16/2011
I love the NY NY video where the guy plants the flag and he get jumped.
When did our Flag become so dangerous!

Maybe some of them should read this page and decide who's side they are really on!

http://www.occupypolice.org/occupy-police-blog/
05:05 PM on 11/16/2011
I find it interesting that the more the 1% pushes against OWS, the more of the 99% they convince to fight back. Keep it up, guys. It's just more power to the movement.
04:31 PM on 11/16/2011
Humility & insight regarding our people from the old days: "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." (Abraham Lincoln)
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Drew Sargent
Born-again human here
03:57 PM on 11/16/2011
NYC has long been my favorite city in all of the world. So glad to see so many of its dwellers on the side of OWS. We're behind you New Yorkers!
10:27 AM on 11/16/2011
Someone posted re OCWS: "What exactly do these people want?" THESE PEOPLE want everything that's RIGHT but is ironically nowhere to be found in the far right's agenda. THESE PEOPLE want their country back from the banking
10:47 AM on 11/16/2011
These people want their country back from the Lobbyists, Marketing Gurus, Special Intrst Grps, & Wolves in Sheeps Clothing who massage & fund our legislators on local, state & federal levels. They want Fairness in Politics, Commerce, Legislation, Education, Social Mobility, Security for Elderly, Poor, Disabled. Theywant American Capitalism to be accountable to society beyond the bottom line for their shareholders.
06:45 AM on 11/16/2011
Exactly what do these people want?
11:42 AM on 11/16/2011
Here's a link.

https://sites.google.com/site/owslistofdemands/
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Drew Sargent
Born-again human here
04:00 PM on 11/16/2011
Which words of Paula's did you not understand?
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
03:51 AM on 11/16/2011
when in the last 30 years has the gov cared what the majority of the citizens in the USA want? The only "citizens" they care about are the corporate "citizens" and their bank rolls. Everyone else is just a pain in their backsides. I'm sure if they had their way, only the top 1% would be allowed to vote. I can see that happening soon too with the wonderful Supreme court and congress we have.
10:51 AM on 11/16/2011
Many States in our Union are actually engaging in voter disenfranchisement under the guise of voter fraud. I struggle each day to understand how we allowed our citizenry to slip into such a deep sleep. Professional Sports, Reality TV & 24 Hr news devoid of true journalism has lulled us to sleep, apparently. at the wheel over the past 12 years.
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allergic to puppets
08:46 PM on 11/19/2011
#11
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plansmaker
Will China Bailout America For Alaska & Hawaii
10:54 AM on 11/20/2011
Kim K will slap you silly paula.
How you suggest a girl maker her living?
Become a hoe?....Just joking of course.
That deep sleep is a self induced coma, the real world is too...HORRIFIC!
09:54 AM on 11/17/2011
I agree F&F spot on