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Republican Presidential Candidates Oppose Potential Super Committee Deal Increasing Tax Revenues

Republican Presidential Candidates Super Committee

DAVID ESPO and ANDREW TAYLOR   11/15/11 10:00 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — House Speaker John Boehner publicly blessed a Republican deficit-reduction plan Tuesday that would raise $300 billion in additional tax revenue while overhauling the IRS code, bucking opposition by some GOP presidential hopefuls and colleagues wary of violating a longstanding point of party orthodoxy.

Boehner, the top Republican in Congress, spoke as time grew perilously short for agreement by the deficit-fighting "supercommittee." The panel has until a week from Wednesday to vote on any compromise, but several officials said that in reality, perhaps as little as 48 or 72 hours are available to the six Republicans and six Democrats.

Prospects for a deal got even dimmer Tuesday evening as the top Republican on the debt panel, Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas, said his party's negotiators "have gone as far as we feel we can go" on tax hikes. He said on the CNBC cable network that the panel is "somewhat stymied."

Hensarling's counterpart, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said her party is still waiting on a "credible offer" from Republicans with larger tax increases.

The movement by Boehner and others on taxes is important, but his endorsement does not mean all Republicans will follow him or that a deal is in sight. Republicans have been unified for two decades in opposition to higher taxes, while Democrats on the supercommittee insist on additional revenue before they will agree to cuts in benefit programs like Medicare as part of a compromise.

The speaker said that the plan, outlined a week ago to Democrats on the committee, was "a fair offer." Adding tax reform would generate economic growth, he said, speaking as the supercommittee groped uncertainly for a compromise to reduce red ink by $1.2 trillion or more over a decade.

Any deal must be certified by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office as meeting the $1.2 trillion target, circulated to lawmakers and then posted publicly before the committee takes formal action. Failure to act would trigger $1.2 trillion in automatic deficit cuts in 2013 that both sides say they want to avoid.

The full committee hasn't met in several days, but various subgroups have been in near constant contact.

More than deficit reduction is at stake, one year into an era of divided government.

Democrats are hoping to add elements of President Barack Obama's jobs legislation to any deficit-cutting deal, including extensions of a Social Security payroll tax cut and unemployment benefits that are due to expire at the end of the year. A comprehensive rewrite of farm programs may hang in the balance, too, and lawmakers also must pass legislation to assure sufficient funds to reimburse doctors who treat Medicare patients.

As the pace of private talks intensifies, the two sides vie publicly for the high ground in public opinion.

"I am still hopeful that a few Republicans will put their country first and come to us with a credible offer with real revenue," Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., co-chair of the supercommittee, told reporters as she emerged from a late-afternoon meeting.

Earlier, the Republican Senate leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, said GOP members on the committee outlined a proposal several days ago and have yet to receive a response from Democrats. "It's been a long week, waiting for a counter-proposal," he said.

The twin issues of taxes and benefit programs have long been stumbling blocks in budget negotiations.

In negotiations last summer, according to numerous officials, President Barack Obama and Boehner were considering sizeable cuts to benefit programs as well as an overhaul of the tax code that would have raised as much as $800 billion in additional revenue – money that Republicans said at the time would have come from economic growth. The talks ultimately failed.

In his comments Tuesday, Boehner cited the importance of tax overhaul in the proposal that Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., made to supercommittee Democrats last week.

"It's important for us to, in my opinion, reform the tax code. And we've got the highest business tax rate in the world. We've got a personal tax system that's so complicated it costs Americans about $500 billion a year to comply with the current tax code," he said.

Boehner asserted that the changes would "make America more competitive and produce more economic growth. And so I do believe that reforming the code is a step in the right direction. The details of how we get there, frankly, I think are yet to be worked out."

Republican officials have said the offer made by Toomey envisions an overhaul that would drop the top tax rate on personal income to 28 percent from the current 35 and shave or eliminate some itemized deductions that are commonly used. The top corporate rate would also fall.

The result would be an estimated $250 billion in additional revenue over a decade, they estimate.

Despite Boehner's comments – and Toomey's credentials as an opponent of tax increases – GOP presidential contenders Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry said they were prepared to oppose a plan along the lines of the one under consideration. Another candidate, Mitt Romney, brushed aside a question on the subject.

Supercommittee Republicans also support a proposal that would replace the current measurement of inflation used to adjust income tax brackets and cost-of-living increases with another, less generous one. They estimate it would result in an estimated $50 billion in higher tax revenue and reduce spending by roughly three times that amount.

Obama backed a similar plan last summer in his talks with Boehner. More recently, Democrats on the supercommittee included it in an offer, although liberals made clear their unhappiness and it was subsequently jettisoned.

Both Boehner and Hensarling explained the Republican proposal to members of the rank-and-file at a closed door meeting.

According to numerous officials who attended, Hensarling displayed charts that sought to place the offer in the context of other scenarios that might occur if there is no agreement. Among them are increases in tax rates that would occur beginning on Jan. 1, 2013, if all of the cuts enacted when President George W. Bush was in office expire as currently scheduled.

"They haven't thrown me out, so I guess I got a good reception," Hensarling later said of his reception.

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Associated Press writers Alan Fram in Washington and Jim Davenport in Columbia, S.C., contributed to this story

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06:43 PM on 11/16/2011
Does any of the president hopefuls have any military experience? Does anyone know?
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:27 PM on 11/16/2011
"Failure to act would trigger $1.2 trillion in automatic deficit cuts in 2013 that both sides say they want to avoid."
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The republicans are not truly concerned about the automatic cuts kicking in. They desire sever - even draconian - cuts anyway, and will never be agreeable to taxes. The trigger mechanism would allow them to take a hands off approach once the negotiation clock expires and at the same time claim that it's the democrats' fault for not being more reasonable. While theoretically it would appear that they would get what they want, allowing that to occur would turn public opinion against them even more severely.

It's a dangerous game.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:20 PM on 11/16/2011
"Despite Boehner's comments – and Toomey's credentials as an opponent of tax increases – GOP presidential contenders Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry said they were prepared to oppose a plan along the lines of the one under consideration. Another candidate, Mitt Romney, brushed aside a question on the subject."
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Of course most if not all of the cantidates would object, because it's makes them continute to look ideologically pure on the issue of taxes.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:15 PM on 11/16/2011
It's okay if Boehner endorses the proposal. He's only giving it lipservice because in the long run he knows his house republicans will never go for it, but politically he can say that he was in favor of what appeared to be a viable plan.

The game continues.
05:10 PM on 12/07/2011
Stop acting like the Reps are the only problem. Your side has no plan to get control of the deficit so lets agree that this Congress and President are not serious in solving our problems. Reps. and Dems.

And please don't say tax the rich is your plan because that will raise about 300 billion at most and even after that we still have a deficit of 1 trillion dollars.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:11 PM on 11/16/2011
"Republican officials have said the offer made by Toomey envisions an overhaul that would drop the top tax rate on personal income to 28 percent from the current 35 and shave or eliminate some itemized deductions that are commonly used. The top corporate rate would also fall.

The result would be an estimated $250 billion in additional revenue over a decade, they estimate."
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$250B over a decade is basically meaningless.
05:12 PM on 12/07/2011
Agreed. We are going to have riots in the streets because even if we raised taxes 150% we still are going to get killed by entitlements with the way they are structured and the baby boomers retiring.

There will be cuts and you liberals will be in the streets rioting blaming it on the rich.
Berettasskeeter
For what we are about to receive, may we be truly
12:25 PM on 11/16/2011
This is all meaningless. ONLY the House of Representatives has the authority to raise money. The Constitution has NOT been amended to give the Senate that Power. Therefore, the House is NOT obligated to honor anything they come up with!
Semper fi
08:04 PM on 11/15/2011
This photo needs to be for sale. 99 Percent off!
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
07:56 PM on 11/15/2011
Well of course they oppose__________(fill in the blank). That's what Republicans do...they oppose... and obstruct... and lie. Boy, can they lie.
01:17 PM on 11/16/2011
Both sides lie. Don't be fooled.
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
04:38 PM on 11/16/2011
I do not by the argument both parties are the same. Yes, Democrats lie. But if a Republican's lips are moving...they are lying. There is no in between.
09:08 AM on 11/17/2011
They aren't the same in total of course. But they are flip sides of the same coin. For what it's worth, the most honest on that I've ever seen happens to be a republican. Ron Paul.
05:15 PM on 12/07/2011
Obama had 3 years to fix our problems and only got us further in debt. Yes we are going to oppose and obstruct failed policies. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again hoping for a different outcome. ( See Japan )
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shaitan
The Devil's Advocate
04:57 PM on 11/15/2011
I don't want any compromise that hurts those who really need Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. I say let all the Bush tax cuts expire and bring the spending on wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and now on Iran, to a halt. Also cut out all the useless weapons programs, especially the big money new fighter airplane program. And then add a war surtax on all companies, like HALIBURTON and its subsidiary that made out like bandits in the Bush-Cheney years.
01:18 PM on 11/16/2011
How about we do away with a Federal income tax AND end all wars and bring the troops home?

Ron Paul 2012.
01:27 PM on 11/15/2011
Tax Imports and Not Our People!

The “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field! We should provide tax incentives and if necessary even partial subsidies to companies that manufacture products here in the USA with US Citizens. We need to add tariffs that are proportionate to the inequities in wages and regulations in the country where the goods were produced and or where we’re importing them from. We could then use the money raised by these tariffs to help companies build state of the art manufacturing plants here in the USA, which would create more jobs here at home for US citizens, which would then in turn increase our income tax revenue. We also need to bring customer support services back to the United States of America and staff them with employees that are US Citizens. Both political parties sold out the American people by letting Wall Street, Corp Board of Directors and CEOs open the floodgates. There’s nothing wrong with making a profit and people in these other countries deserve to earn a higher standard of living, but our leaders can’t allow it to happen at the expense of the American people, who they’re supposed to represent. Both the Democrats and Republicans have to stop just arguing along party lines and actually get things done that are in the best interests of the United States of America and all US Citizens, including the majority of our citizens.
01:39 PM on 11/15/2011
Most US Citizens are not as concerned about the “Global Economy" as they are about being able to earn a living, their children’s future and the future of our country.

We have to stop letting Wall Street, Corp Boards and CEOs promote sending US jobs to countries where they work for slave wages, no benefits, no OSHA safety standards or no real environment regulations. The so-called “Global Market Place” is not a level playing field. Wall Street may have made higher profits by doing this, but they've been putting middle class Americans who are a good part of the world’s customer base out of work. I’m not a lefty or member of any union. I run a business that employs over 20 people and produces products that are purchased by customers that do manufacturing and packaging. I’m just an average Joe, but I've been saying this for more than 10 years now. If I can see it, so can our so-called leaders (political leaders) who are beholden to the same people who are exporting our jobs. We need a 3rd party that actually does what's best for all Americans (US Citizens) rather than just worrying about their party and winning the next election. Even though I usually vote Republican, I think they put the interests of Wall Street above the interests of the majority of Americans (Middle Class US Citizens).
06:54 PM on 11/15/2011
Increase Taxes on Imports and Not The American People
05:16 PM on 12/07/2011
Protectionism was what made the Great Depression to how bad it was. I don't think I want to have another one.
Tom in FTL
I am always for the working person
01:14 PM on 11/15/2011
Republicans seem to be against anything to help the economy. The reasoning is that if the economy stays bad a Republican is a sure thing for President. They are making up lots of facts to support their efforts on Faux snooze.
05:19 PM on 12/07/2011
Right. Obama had 3 years to try and create jobs. His economic plan consisted of such things as " cash for clunkers " What an amateur! He is acting like a community organizer not a president.
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Validusername
Caught in the thick of thin things
12:55 PM on 11/15/2011
They say what they feel they must. At least, on the chance that one of them becomes President, I hope that's what they are doing. If they really believe half of what they say, we will be in real trouble.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:34 PM on 11/16/2011
And even if they don't believe it should one of them become president then they will be painted into a corner like GHWB was in 1992 - different reasons but the same result. History will repeat itself because the Chief Executive cannot run a government with no revenue to support a budget - democrat or republican.

Read my lips, no new taxes...
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Validusername
Caught in the thick of thin things
05:48 PM on 11/16/2011
And he lost the election, but maybe someone will risk losing again. Also, if enough of the members of the "Obstructionist Party" lose, behavior might change. It's the only system we've got and I think a good part of the problem is the radicals vote more than "normal" people. We (I think I'm normal) must vote. They must be able to count on it. Maybe that will make politicians think.
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Ed C Atlanta
Justice for all,,It's an Entitlement
12:31 PM on 11/15/2011
Who cares what these repub hopefuls want, they are not in a position even talk about future policy yet,,and to those few of these jokers that are in the 1%,,get ready to fork over the higher taxes,,
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westronandnan
12:19 PM on 11/15/2011
IT IS ABOUT Gover Norquist!

"I always tell Republicans, 'Hell, Grover can't kill ya. He can't burn down your house. The only thing he can do to you is defeat you in re-election --- and if re-election means more to you than your country, then you chouldn't be in the legislature." ~Alan Simpson, retired Republican Senator from Wyoming.

And, it's pandering to a bunch of people who profess to be patriots, but are willing to drive the country into the ground to defeat the President!

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." ~Samuel Johnson
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
03:38 PM on 11/16/2011
Great quote from Simpson. And while he's right, that kind of talk is cheap when you're out of congress.
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westronandnan
04:04 PM on 11/16/2011
You're right. And, that's why I'm against career politicians and support term limits --- 12 years max and you're back home.
satyrday
If my micro-bio is way too long, will it be trunca
12:13 PM on 11/15/2011
The GOP candidates have to say that. They're just pandering to the fringe, for now.