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Texans Allowed To Show Gun Permits But Not Student IDs At Voting Booth

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First Posted: 11/15/11 06:17 PM ET Updated: 11/16/11 10:57 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- More than one million students attend colleges, universities and technical schools in Texas. But because of the state's new voter identification law, none will be allowed to use their student ID cards to cast a ballot.

When Texas state legislators moved to cut student IDs from the list of acceptable voter identifications in May, they actually made voting easier for some residents: Now gun owners in Texas are allowed to use their concealed-carry permits as valid proof of the right to vote.

During a congressional forum on state voting laws in Washington on Monday, House Democrats sharply criticized a wave of new voter restrictions that have passed in states since the 2010 elections -- including the new Texas law -- as a broad attack on voting rights.

Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.), the chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, worried about the Texas law's effect on students at Prairie View A&M, the historically black university in Texas that Cleaver attended.

"The students there at Prairie View cannot vote with their student ID. However, if you are a gun owner, you can show your gun registration and vote," he said at the forum, entitled "Excluded from Democracy: The Impact of Recent State Voting Law Changes."

"You have to be a very mean-spirited and ideologically warped person to believe that this is right and that this is fair," Cleaver continued.

As many as 12 percent of eligible voters nationwide may not have government-issued photo ID, according to the Brennan Center for Justice. That percentage is likely even higher for students, seniors and people of color.

The Department of Justice is reviewing Texas' election law changes to determine whether they comply with the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

States have enacted a slew of restrictive voting laws since the 2010 elections, and Texas is only one of several places where students now face new obstacles to vote. Tennessee passed a similar law this year making student IDs invalid for voting use, while the Wisconsin legislature passed legislation that only allows voters to use student IDs if the IDs have certain information, including addresses and expiration dates.

The Wisconsin law amounted to a ban on student IDs, according to observers, because none of Wisconsin's universities issue cards that include the necessary information.

"I've actually never seen a case where student ID does have an address," said Matthew Segal of Our Time, an advocacy group for Americans under 30 years old. Segal also spoke during Monday's Capitol Hill forum.

The University of Wisconsin estimated that it would be forced spend $700,000 every two years in order to make its new ID cards that comply with the law, which requires that all school IDs used in elections expire in less than two years after those elections.

The state's Government Accountability Board, which runs the state's elections, has clashed with the Republican legislature over stopgap solutions. The board recommended that students be allowed to vote by placing state-produced stickers on their IDs that carried the required information, but the lawmakers said that compromise could encourage fraud. A conflict over the use of technical college IDs is still ongoing.

In Maine, Charlie Webster, the chairman of the state Republican Party, has accused more than 200 out-of-state students attending college in Maine of committing voter fraud by registering to vote in Maine -- a claim that has been met with significant skepticism within the state.

The League of Women Voters, one of the groups fighting the new voting laws, has said the difficulties students trying to vote have faced suggest the new acts have caused widespread disenfranchisements.

"These laws are confusing, time-consuming and cost prohibitive for many citizens, including some who have been exercising their legal right to vote for decades," Elizabeth MacNamara, the head of the League, said at Monday's forum.

The Brennan Center issued a report last month detailing the effects of the laws. The states with the new voting laws, some of which also include cutbacks on early voting and restrictions on registration drives, now account for 185 electoral votes, two-thirds of the necessary total to win the presidency. Lawrence Norden, the deputy director of the Center's Democracy Program, called the laws "a state-based assault on voting" that would disproportionately impact minorities, the elderly and students.

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WASHINGTON -- More than one million students attend colleges, universities and technical schools in Texas. But because of the state's new voter identification law, none will be allowed to use their st...
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04:17 PM on 12/08/2011
The only reason to be against more stringent voter ID laws is because you plan to cheat. How dumb do you people think we are ? President Acorn is going to have to do it legit this time.
08:10 PM on 11/27/2011
Generally, most conservatives think that most votes for Democrats are made by dead people.

I know that is not true, but every conservative I talk to, thinks he is being cheated.
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Conlaw Bloganon
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09:21 AM on 11/22/2011
Wakey wakey. Gun permits are issued by the state. School ID cards are not.
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Ronnie Avatar Dixon
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10:59 PM on 11/19/2011
It should be perfectly clear. The Republicans are trying to stripe away the right to vote to their more liberal constituents. These laws significantly impact college students, seniors, and minorities, three groups which identify as being more liberal, however, the group that obtains an easier path to voting, gun-owners in Texas, are going to be more conservative.

Given the fact that millions of people lack a voter ID and relied upon their student ID, or other forms of verification, it is going to decrease the number of liberal votes. This is, of course, a way to attempt to balance out the huge outcry against the radical conservative policies that have been implemented, or attempted to be implemented, across the nation.

Let us hope freedom wins out.
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Conlaw Bloganon
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09:22 AM on 11/22/2011
Errrrrr. Gun permits are issued by the state. If the state starts issuing college ID's they will work too.

In the mean time keep your tinfoil hat pointed towards venus because the chemtrails are especially strong today./sarcasm
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Ronnie Avatar Dixon
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09:03 PM on 11/22/2011
So why were university students previously able to vote using student ID?
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HisXLNC
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11:43 PM on 11/16/2011
If I recall correctly, I had to have a state issued ID before I could even enroll in school.I don't see how excluding student IDs would prevent students from voting. Maybe Texas schools are different.
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Saint Cynicism
11:23 AM on 12/01/2011
They probably are, considering I didn't need a state ID to attend the state university I'm at now (NAU). And mine's not even in Texas.
09:53 PM on 11/16/2011
Clever wording there, Ma(r)x. Any and all of those students can use their drivers license, passport, state issued ID, concealed carry permit, or, even, God forbid, their military ID! Just can't use their cafeteria plan card to vote for the latest MTV candidate.

Secondly, anyone with a military ID or a concealed carry permit has been finger printed and undergone a background check. Compare that to any ACORN voter list.

The issue is voter fraud. If you want to win the election, nominate the candidate with the best ideas and encourage others to legally vote for them. The whining over not being able to continuously steal elections is academically weak and morally bankrupt.
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Saint Cynicism
11:30 AM on 12/01/2011
Of course, depending on the state, you've supposedly had your citizenship verified before you were even allowed to enroll in the first place (Arizona has this in place for any state or county universities). And registering to vote involves giving a valid address, something that's supposed to be checked, as well as your citizenship and eligibility to vote (any felonies on record, etc). So at the end of the day, between enrolling at a state college and registering to vote you've supposedly done all the things to verify citizenship that you've outlined (minus the fingerprinting, unless your state's really paranoid).

Which means people have every right to cry foul.
02:34 PM on 12/01/2011
And some schools (the service academys come to mind) have even stricter safeguards/standards in place. But how many have no real standards - think 'Fly-by-Night U.' Maybe they should have made an exception for state school IDs, where there are some controls in place.

The people with every right to cry foul are those who play by the rules, pay their taxes, and then are disenfranchised by voter fraud. And if people are still determined to steal elections, they can always use a mail in ballot - no ID required....
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itschuck2c
08:22 PM on 11/16/2011
In last year's Senate race nearly 5000 illegal aliens cast their vote in the election. The revelation comes from Colorado Secretary of State, Scott Gessler. Testifying before the House Administration Committee, Gessler said his department conducted a study comparing the state's voter registration database against driver's license records. After doing so they discovered 12,000 illegal aliens living in the state who were registered to vote. Of these, 5,000 actually cast votes in the last election. http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=9226
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08:43 PM on 11/16/2011
Hmmm, 12,000 illegal alines who registered to vote? How does one know they are 'illegal' if there is no way to check an 'illegal' box on a voter registration card?
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itschuck2c
05:48 AM on 11/17/2011
Did not read the article did you..
03:53 PM on 11/29/2011
you keep instructing us to "read the article", but when reading the rest of the articles on the 'greely gazette' should make it pretty clear that it is not exactly an institution of exceptional journalism.

examples:
- "Addiction to pornography can happen with one 20-minute exposure" complete with facts from the self-appointed morality police, "Focus On The Family".
- "Christian cake maker business increasing after stand for traditional marriage"
- "Pastor, church in Oklahoma threatened with death, destruction for standing against homosexuality"
- CA court sides with bullies, says school right to censor US flag with its lead-in: "Mexican students said, "Let’s f--- them white boys" on Cinco de Mayo"
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trespanieli
06:40 PM on 11/16/2011
Texas motto: if you can't beat them, shoot them.
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NoWayMan
01:13 PM on 11/16/2011
of course this law is VERY flawed.

it denies people the right to vote.

and why are military IDs okay and not student IDs?
there are plenty of non-citizens in the military.
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01:59 PM on 11/16/2011
"it denies people the right to vote. "

Um, no it doesn't.
06:13 PM on 11/16/2011
You can't be serious, are you comparing a student ID with a military ID card? Yes there are a very very small percentage of non US citizens serving in the military who are legally present in the United States, have critical skills, and apply immediately for U.S. citizenship.

BUT ANYONE can get a student ID.
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NoWayMan
06:34 PM on 11/16/2011
so I can get a student ID card from the Univ. of texas? um, nope. really funny.
12:41 PM on 11/16/2011
Whats the big deal? Republicorp. TM only wants a level playing field, and by removing significant parts of the majority, their candidates can have a fair election. Right?

This must be Bizarro America.
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12:39 PM on 11/16/2011
The hallmark of the rise of fascism is the stealing of elections by fraud and by suppression.
The Tea Party and the Republican Party are the American Fascist Party.
If they succeed, bye bye American constitutional democracy and bye bye American freedom.
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Mister Grumpy
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12:16 PM on 11/16/2011
I can see why the GOP wanted to eliminate college students from voting. Educated people don't vote for Republicans.
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12:25 PM on 11/16/2011
Is your position really that not acknowledging college ID's is an attempt to eliminate college students from voting or were you simply venting frustration because the HuffPo didn't have an article about Palin's b.oo.bs today?
06:28 PM on 11/16/2011
Be serious, just how many college students don't have a valid DL ?. For crying out loud that is the first thing every American teenager (read U.S. CITIZEN) strives for when they come of age.
06:47 PM on 11/16/2011
They certainly aren't going to get in any bar with a student ID!!!
11:00 PM on 11/16/2011
It is considered a rite of passage to get your license when you are a teenager. It is highly unlikely you will be in college and not have some form of state issued ID. One usually can not cash a paycheck or open a bank account without a license or ID.
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11:57 AM on 11/16/2011
Hum. My Student ID had my name and a grainy picture which you had to squint at to decipher whether it was me or not. I think I may have been able to buy Doritos with it because of the magnetic strip with my meal plan as well.

My CCW permit has my name, age, height, weight, sex, eye color, hair color, Country of citizenship, address, county of residence, reason for carrying concealed, and a big fat "Y" in the "US CItizen" box.

Sounds to me like the only people who would have a problem with this is ACORN.
06:16 PM on 11/16/2011
Awesome retort! Fanned and Faved!
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Jerry Bourbon
11:56 AM on 11/16/2011
You have to be a Texas resident to legally vote.

You have to be a Texas resident to have a Texas gun permit.

You DO NOT have to be a Texas resident to be a college student in Texas.

What is the problem?
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molonlabe
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12:06 PM on 11/16/2011
There are multiple problems.

1) TX is a red state
2) "Gun" anything is the Progressive Boogyman.
3) Palin's been out of the news lately and they need an emotional rally cry.
06:29 PM on 11/16/2011
You forgot 4) the millions of illegal immigrants residing in Texas!
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NoWayMan
01:11 PM on 11/16/2011
the problem is that thousands upon thousands of voters are going to be denied the right to vote. which means that law is seriously flawed.

now you know the problem.
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molonlabe
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02:07 PM on 11/16/2011
I have to produce CREDIBLE identification before I can vote. I use my Driver's license. If i didn't have one, and intended to vote, i suppose i would make arrangements to obtain one or at the very least, a state issued ID. It's not like there's an e-mail sent out the day before saying "surprise! today is voting day!"

No one is being denied the right to vote.
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Jerry Bourbon
04:57 PM on 11/16/2011
Please explain HOW they are going to be denied the "right to vote".

Be detailed.
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11:48 AM on 11/16/2011
I have been reading the posts. Does anyone read the article before commenting or just the headline. Some posters actually thought that you were going to lose your right to vote unless you have a gun permit. You forfeit your right to vote if you do not have proper identification. You cannot fly without valid id, you cannot get into some bars without proper id. My son goes to school in Boston. Not only is he not a resident of Boston. We are NY residents. The id doesnt even have his date of birth on it. He is still 17 years old. It is not valid identification anywhere. Not to mention you can come to this country, not be a citizen, and have student identification if you attend college in the US. College students do study abroad, that does not make them elligible to vote. I dont know if it is with malice and wouldnt imply it so, but student id and other inferior id can lead to an extremely high rate of voter fraud.