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Wall Street Disconnected From Protests It Views As Misguided, Misdirected

Occupy Wall Street

First Posted: 11/18/11 08:41 AM ET Updated: 11/18/11 09:30 AM ET

NEW YORK (Matthew Goldstein and Jennifer Ablan) - It was a telling moment at the height of the Occupy Wall Street protests.

John Paulson, the hedge-fund trader who famously made billions betting on the collapse of the housing market, was threatened by the demonstrators with a march on his Upper East Side home in New York last month. Paulson responded by putting out a press release that described his $28 billion, 120-person fund as an exemplar of the American Dream: "Instead of vilifying our most successful businesses, we should be supporting them and encouraging them to remain in New York City."

Other captains of finance like to portray themselves as humble entrepreneurs. One owner of a multi-billion-dollar hedge fund grumbled in the midst of the financial crisis that he has to worry not only about making trading decisions but also about "all the hassles the come with running a small business."

With U.S. cities moving this week to crack down on Occupy Wall Street encampments - including the one in New York's Zuccotti Park - the staying power of the movement is in question. Whatever its future, it's clear that so far, the Occupiers haven't changed many minds on Wall Street over blame for the country's hard times. The cognitive disconnect between the protesters and the captains of finance is alive and well.

David Mooney, chief executive officer of Alliant Credit Union in Chicago, one of the nation's larger credit unions, used to work at a one of Wall Street's top banks, JPMorgan Chase. There's a vast cultural gap between Wall Street and his new world, he says: Old friends from the Street, he says, now jokingly refer to him as a "socialist." A credit union is supposed to be run in the interests of all members, he says, while commercial bankers tend to see consumers as customers who can be "exploited" by layering on more fees.

Says Mooney: "I don't say this lightly, but the consumer is simply an income stream and exploiting that is the purpose of the banking organization."

In conversations with nearly two dozen current and former bankers, finance professionals and money managers across the United States, the prevailing sentiment is that the anger at Wall Street's elite is misguided and misdirected. Blame the politicians and policymakers in Washington, many of them say, for encouraging people to buy homes they couldn't afford and doing nothing to stop or discourage U.S. consumers from piling on more than $10 trillion in household debt.

"I think everyone gets what the anger is about... But you just can't say, 'Well I want all debts forgiven.' That is not happening," says one West Coast trader, who like most still working in the financial services industry, declined to be identified by name in this article.

The disconnect, says Jason Ader, a former top Wall Street casino analyst turned hedge fund manager, is in part a simple product of Wall Street's isolation from the hardship out there. Ader says he spends a lot of his time in Las Vegas, one of America's hardest-hit housing markets, and thus wasn't too surprised by this fall's anti-Wall Street outburst.

"I see plenty of despair in places like Las Vegas, where in some neighborhoods every other house is vacant or foreclosed and lots are overgrown by weeds," says Ader, who sits on the boards of Las Vegas Sands Corp and a small Nevada community bank called Western Liberty Bancorp.

But the 43-year-old Ader, who manages $200 million in his hedge fund, says it's a different story for many of the wealthy who work in finance in New York City and don't spend a lot of time in states with high unemployment and high foreclosure rates. Living in Manhattan or the Hamptons or hedge fund havens like Greenwich, Connecticut, can lead to a bit of myopia, he says.

"At first I had friends who were scratching their heads at the protests," says Ader.

BLAME GAME

To put it bluntly, many on Wall Street still see the events leading up to the financial crisis as a case of banks having legitimately sold something - whether it be mortgages or securities backed by those loans - that someone wanted to buy.

Thomas Atteberry, a partner and portfolio manager with Los Angeles-based First Pacific Advisors, a $16 billion money management firm, says his success "wasn't a gift" and he had to work hard to get where he is. Atteberry says he understands the frustration many feel about income inequality. But he said the problem isn't with those who are successful, but rather our "tax codes and regulations."

While some members of the financial elite say they are willing to pay higher taxes, they note the picture for Wall Street firms is not as sunny as some on Main Street might paint it. Wall Street banks already are beginning to shed jobs, and consulting firm Johnson Associates Inc. is predicting bonuses for those who remain will shrink by 20 percent to 30 percent.

Complaints over new financial regulations burdening Wall Street firms are a major reason blamed for the layoffs. Sit down with a hedge fund manager or a top trader and it won't take long before he or she grabs some spreadsheet that shows all the new rules and regulations coming out of the Dodd-Frank financial reform bill.

Many of America's well-to-do, not just Wall Streeters, say they don't feel particularly advantaged. A recent survey by marketing firm HNW Inc. found that half of the nation's richest 1 percent "don't see themselves as being part of that elite group." Also, 44 percent of those surveyed told HNW's pollsters they already pay too much in taxes.

Maybe it is just the ethos of Wall Street, where success is defined solely by who makes the most money, that makes it hard for financiers to feel they've wronged anyone. But in a time of 9 percent unemployment and 15 percent of U.S. citizens receiving food stamps, some Wall Street alums say the financial elite are doing themselves no favors by giving the appearance of shrugging off the current mood.

"I think Wall Street hasn't taken in how much anger there is out there and they haven't taken partial responsibility for the financial crisis," says Brookings Institution fellow Douglas Elliott, who was an investment banker for two decades before joining the liberal-oriented public policy group. "I think both sides - Wall Street and Main Street - misunderstand each other."


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NEW YORK (Matthew Goldstein and Jennifer Ablan) - It was a telling moment at the height of the Occupy Wall Street protests. John Paulson, the hedge-fund trader who famously made billions bettin...
NEW YORK (Matthew Goldstein and Jennifer Ablan) - It was a telling moment at the height of the Occupy Wall Street protests. John Paulson, the hedge-fund trader who famously made billions bettin...
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07:18 AM on 11/22/2011
Yup, he really found the American Dream....with taxpayer bailout monies.
Heck I use to think we are at least Capitalists.
07:16 AM on 11/22/2011
So has this Paulson guy ever created anything except paper and make some dough for his clients?
He is as worthless to America people as that dog do I stepped on the other day.
With social unrest on the rise (and with good reason) people like him will soon be trying to figure out how to get out of the country with their head still intact.
Of course when and if they do get out of the country they will be leaving behind everything except the monies they deposited overseas somewhere. But in the end his ilk will have nowhere to hid.
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Mister Grumpy
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11:49 AM on 11/21/2011
Of course the wallstreet suits don't get the message of the protesters. They're like Gringrich, they're out off touch with reality.
07:17 AM on 11/22/2011
It's not only Gringrich who is out of touch....it is all of them, led by a do nothing, sellout Prez.
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11:46 AM on 11/21/2011
Talk about the 'entitlement mentality.' These hedge fund managers & big banking execs should mostly all be unemployed right now. A real 'free market' would have meant that those big, big errors in judgement (legal or illegal) would have meant no bailouts & all or most of those big financial firms out of business. And new financial businesses (much, much smaller) and credit unions taking up the slack. It would be painful for everyone, but shared pain. Then we'd see how much sympathy there'd be for the regular 'joes' and 'janes' struggling uphill against a 9% unemployment rate (in reality much higher) while looking for jobs like admin. assistants that now require an undergrad degree!
08:40 AM on 11/21/2011
Every major bank now faces multiple civil law suits for fraud from state and Federal agencies and private businesses but somehow, not a single PERSON at any of those banks bears any responsibility for it. Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon enjoy more prestige with their shareholders than ever, not because they are particularly good businessmen, but because they committed criminal fraud and got away with it by cutting in those who were charged with policing them. They are simply snake oil salesmen.
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BeerLover
Carpe Diem!
08:17 AM on 11/21/2011
No they don't! They just want US to think OWS is "misguided and misdirected." They've been smearing them from day one...... and from day one our media has been helping.
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11:58 AM on 11/21/2011
CNBC had one of the biggest Wall St. apologists (Andrew Sorkin) interview someone from the American Enterprise Institute who was pushing the new rightwing meme that income inequality is not a problem - it's really a great thing (shades of George Orwell!) To add insult to injury, they identified AEI as a "non-partisan" independently funded think tank. Well, if AEI is non-partisan & 'independently' funded, then I'm really George W. Bush's long lost twin! If conservative think tanks are considered "non partisan" these days at CNBC, then CNBC is not news - just the mouthpiece for the 'Wall St.' party.
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Vincent Gormley
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12:04 PM on 11/21/2011
The News Hour on PBS did a similar segment last month.
11:28 PM on 11/20/2011
Wall Streeters and banksters remind me of "Sunday" Christians.

Some guy goes to church on Sunday with his wife and kids, gives some money, and acts pious.
On Monday he takes advantage of a customer.
On Tuesday he visits with his mistress.
On Wednesday he cheats on his taxes..
............Until he hits Sunday again and goes to church with his wife and kids.....

And the guy THINKS he really is a good husband, father, and Christian.

(I only used a guy as an example....both genders do it.)
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09:17 PM on 11/21/2011
sounds like you're talking about newt.
April22
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09:05 PM on 11/20/2011
Wall Street doesn't get it isn't a great surprise.

They don't want to get it, if they did, they would have to admit their part in the economic collapse of a country.

Easier to place blame elsewhere.

Wall Street, I hope your day is coming soon and many Americans can finally see that you "get it."
11:32 PM on 11/20/2011
Of course they don't "get it".

They do NOT want to get it.

If they admit to what they did and do.....they would feel bad about themselves and they sure do NOT want to do that.

It is easier to blame "somebody else" than accept that YOU did it.

*****That goes for all of us but some people are worse, much worse than others.

Public employees, especially teachers.......the poor.......the unemployed.......people who bought houses in good faith and thought they could afford what they were sold and expected to pay for it........unions........

The only ones guilty of the worst of it along with them are the politicians and oligarchs.
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08:45 PM on 11/20/2011
Wall street is right OWS is a misguided movement. That being said nothing wrong with it.
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06:25 PM on 11/20/2011
Meanwhile in other financial news:
Link: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/6420fc3e-1228-11e1-9d4d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1eI5SRvhn
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rww549
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05:19 PM on 11/20/2011
The Wall St people will never understand the 99%. That's why their unfair control of the polititions is such a bad thing.
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08:19 AM on 11/21/2011
No they do understand the 99. They understand that that's where all THEIR money comes from.
04:09 PM on 11/20/2011
I would refer all to google Dr Emmanuel Derman's PHD Quantum physics and mathematic­s. He will inform you precisely why Wall street holds the key to the dissemblin­g of the Global financial system. "Sometimes it is better, when what you say is the tip of the iceberg of what you really know" Rather han the other way around? Wall street is eminently culpable and is at the core of the nations finacial and ideologica­l mess! I have a sample of his essay on my site www.jamesconvey.com. It is a free information and opinion source on economics and politics etc.... enjoy!

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07:27 PM on 11/20/2011
It was perfectly clear at the time of the derivatives crisis that quants' methods are totally incapable of predicting consequences, bases as they are on historical data. They don't take into account real world situations or changes that make historical date inapplicable.

When the quants did a "stress test" on derivatives, they put all their data together and came up with the "absolutely worst case" scenario, one that they were sure couldn't happen in 500 years. That model said the very worst that could happen was a 5% default rate on the mortgages in the CDOs. Of course, eventually those began to fail at a 40% rate.

And no doubt the quants got a raise and a bonus.
08:48 PM on 11/20/2011
megwright:

As Einstein posited, and every economics 101 student is told from day one;

" As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are NOT certain, and as far as they ARE certain, they do not refer to reality."............:-)
This did not allow however, for the arrogance of man or the intentions of scientific experiment. The problem was not that it was not a worthy or even an exciting experiment, the problem was the arrogance that misinterpreted the results...?
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12:01 PM on 11/21/2011
Plus didn't they build into their models that real estate values never go down? Only up - based on the very short historical period of real estate prices they analyzed?
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03:55 PM on 11/20/2011
paulson: adj- One who sees him or herself as a paragon of virtue and up-right ethical behavior, despite any evidence to the contrary; verb - to conflate the making of money with the having of virtue, particularly the more money, the greater virtue.

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02:43 PM on 11/20/2011
It's very simple: regardless of the responsibilities (and I believe it is largely collective myopia where nobody had interest to stop the train and adjust to new economic realities and inadaptation of the population to structural changes brought by new technologies and development of BRICs), there need to be a pound of flesh somewhere to be taken...

So bankers believe they are unfairly attacked, politicians have deflected the anger on easy targets. So contrition will come. It's too late and too complex to be rationale or to give logic and explanations. 99% of the population has no clue as to the functioning of the money flows within an economy and the impact of liquidity drying so no need to lose time trying to go into the details.

There needs to be a pound of flesh.
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01:46 PM on 11/20/2011
had wall street any receptivity or consciousness beyond it being the magnetic core of capitalism, it would not have come to this. imagine transfer taxes to benefit infrastructure or the environment, imagine percentage taxes on great big bonuses or salaries to do the same . . . imagine these being voluntary the same way that little provincial people can add that coupon to their grocery bill to benefit the food programs for homeless . . . imagine that the super wealthy did that just to feel good, or get a tax benefit, or support their habitat.

the people attracted to wall street do not seem to have that sensitivity chip but then has anyone ever expected they would or could? not me. by definition, their perceptions belong to another paradigm and one that may collapse all around them without them ever recognizing that they are on the wrong side of history.