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Newt Gingrich's Cavalier View Of Janitorial Work Challenged By Facts

First Posted: 11/22/2011 12:17 pm Updated: 11/22/2011 1:32 pm

WASHINGTON -- Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich argued at an address at Harvard University last week that American school systems should fire their unionized janitors and let underprivileged children do the work instead, according to a report in Politico.

The upshot of the plan? The kids would learn life skills, and taxpayers would save money.

The logic for such an argument would seem to rely on two premises: that janitors are currently being overpaid for their work, and that their job is so easy a child could do it.

The nation's janitors, unionized and non-unionized alike, would probably disagree.

The mean wage for a janitor working in an elementary or secondary school is $13.74 an hour, or $28,570 per year, according to the most recent data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The average pay is significantly less for janitors working at private buildings, which comprise the vast majority of janitorial jobs: $10.56 per hour, or $21,960 a year.

The latter annual salary is below the poverty line for a family of four, according to the federal government's most recent poverty guidelines. It also happens to be less than the self-renewing monthly retainer that Gingrich enjoyed as a consultant to Freddie Mac between 1999 and 2002, according to Bloomberg.

Despite its relatively modest pay, a janitor's job isn't as easy as Gingrich seems to think it is. According to the Labor Department, a janitor needs to be able to carry out a long list of duties and repairs during a typical day: Mop and polish floors, handle dangerous chemicals, even perform basic electrical and plumbing repairs. At schools, they also need to interact well with children and, at times, clean up their vomit.

A janitor's job is also more dangerous than most American occupations -- and hardly fit for children, according to the Labor Department's description of the work. Janitors, it notes, "may suffer cuts, bruises, and burns from machines, handtools, and chemicals. They spend most of their time on their feet, sometimes lifting or pushing heavy furniture or equipment. Many tasks, such as dusting or sweeping, require constant bending, stooping, and stretching."

A spokesman for Gingrich's campaign could not immediately be reached for comment.

Gingrich made his remarks on unionized janitors to an audience that should know quite a bit about the subject. After long negotiations, Harvard's janitors, who are represented by the Service Employees International Union, just ratified a five-year contract with the school this past weekend, having received public support from much of the student body.

The contract includes what the SEIU has described as a "groundbreaking" childcare allowance worth up to $5,000 each year for workers, as well as a modest but important 3 percent annual raise, helping janitors' salaries keep pace with the ever-rising cost of living. The agreement also caps the percentage of janitors that Harvard can use through contractors, thereby stemming a trend that has helped erode workers' pay and benefits in the services industry and other blue-collar fields.

At Harvard, Gingrich said his plan to put kids to work as janitors would help them "begin the process of rising" in society.

And the contract won by the unionized janitors appears to do just that for workers and their children. One of the perks in the agreement allows janitors to take advantage of a tuition assistance program, letting them pursue Harvard degrees or continuing education classes at a discounted rate. That benefit, presumably, could lead to better jobs and brighter futures for the janitors and their families.

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Godweiser 05:31 PM on 11/22/2011
I have a better solution; custodial work is kind of hazardous; chemicals, contaminants, dealing with sanitation...there are a bunch of guys who sit behind desks and make phone calls all day. Let's replace Wall Street with children? Better yet, let's replace Republican debates with children... The point isn't that I'm being serious here, the point is that I'm saying that the guys telling everyone to 'git a  Read More...
10:57 PM on 12/08/2011
I can't help thinking of Newt's two beloved grandchildren. Would he want them to work as janitors in their schools, cleaning up the pee and vomit of their classmates?
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03:45 PM on 01/17/2012
Or working with abrasive, corrisive chemicals?
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12:18 AM on 12/08/2011
This argument also comes to the conclusion that better off students shouldn't have to work. They'll get there eventually, I suppose, through better education and support, through the positive benefits of after school sports and activities instead of an after school job. Seriously, though, how in the world would there be enough jobs for these kids and is it fair to make them work and not these other children? This is straight up class warfare, keep the poor in the poor jobs, while the rich kids play.
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03:47 PM on 01/17/2012
Gingrich obviously believes that affluent children have a work ethic, by virtue of their affluence, and poor children have no work ethic. Such arrogance!
08:01 AM on 12/02/2011
We don’t need another generation of people going on social security by the time they are forty years old! We don’t exploit children!! This guy would bring back slavery and a whip obviously he has no idea of what this country Is facing in academic failure as it is. So then why not just set up sweat shops for kids and pull out the old razor strap to keep them working! What is this idiot really saying? We need children in school and after school; they should be working on homework, helping parents around the home and just being kids. We don’t steal their childhoods or exploit children for labor in this country for profit. I have to wonder how many child slave labor sweat shops this guy has in his closet. Newt just lost any chance of my vote unless he’s running for number one idiot in the world. What about the kids pay? If they are put to work, then their earnings should go into trust funds and not in the hands of parents who steal from their own children. I hope Newt is seriously investigated for being part of any type of exploitation of children.
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03:48 PM on 01/17/2012
Gingrich really wants a low-cost labor alternative (children) for his corporate friends. He obviously does not advocate for living wage jobs for adults.
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RxPhan
Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad
12:23 PM on 11/29/2011
Newt & Co has made over 100 million in book, dvd sales, and being a paid consultant for K street. If he ever did ANY honest work in his life-he's forgotten it. Running for pres is just another schill, another scheme to peddle his "snake oil."
08:22 AM on 11/28/2011
As I was reading this .... I kept getting the image of Newt as the Hindenburg ....
just sayin ....
12:48 AM on 11/27/2011
while i know newt gingrich's reasoning behind getting rid of janitors isn't for noble reasons wanting to cut from education and other programs instead of taxing the rich(it won't save us money either) but having children be the janitors at there school isn't a bad idea...in japan their are no janitors and children from elementry school to highschool break into groups and clean there school and serve lunch to each other..i can see a lot of benefits.... It fosters respect for one’s fellow human being, and a humility that you can’t get in a culture where “the menial staff” do all the grotty jobs we’d rather not touch. In the West we tend to look down on serving staff, cleaners, and other such essential people as “beneath” us. And if you’re responsible for keeping your school clean, you have a pride in your school which deters you from vandalising it and which you will carry on with you in your adult life when you go out into the world and keep your offices and homes clean too.
AnonymousDissenter
Conscientious cultural objector
11:47 AM on 01/22/2012
Having spent some time in Japan, I think maybe it's important to explain the huge difference between what Newt is proposing and what Japan does.

Newt's idea is that POOR children should do this work to build work ethic.

In Japan, everyone, including the teachers and principles, participate in this at the end of the school day. The point is that no one is beneath doing this kind of work. Rich kids do it, too. It's a Buddhist thing, not an economic thing.

And they do have plant operations workers who still do the majority of the heavy/dangerous work that students are not prepared to do, such as chemical mixing and machinery operation.
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02:47 PM on 11/25/2011
Poor Newt... he is not talking rationally... his back is sore... comes from dragging all that money for being a Lobbyist. he was found out and he has nowhere to go and so he is talking like a Moron.
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merryterry
Obama won, now we can go forward.
12:43 PM on 11/25/2011
Roll back child labor laws?

gingrich takes great pride in having an advanced degree in History. My question for Newt would be;

What good does an expertise in History do you if you refuse to learn the lessons that the knowledge of history gives us.
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12:20 AM on 12/08/2011
Nice.
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shakylegs
10:21 AM on 11/25/2011
Thank you Newt.

Thanks to you we are finally beginning to see the underlying agenda the Republicans have for the future of this country. The super-rich and everybody else.

Just sweep away those musty old laws like child labor, minimum wage, consumer protection, EPA, and a whole raft of "socialist" laws and regulations built up over the past century,

Trickle down? Your children should thank their lucky stars when they manage to get "good" jobs, such as maids and chauffeurs.

Class warfare? Done! The right wing has already won it.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
05:20 PM on 11/25/2011
Hey, children have small hands. They can be used for polishing the inside of shell casings and be a part of the war on terror, or, er...
09:27 AM on 11/25/2011
Finally, some push back against newt's attempt to turn the clock back 120 years.....or lead America into the third world.
01:50 AM on 01/17/2012
What push back??? He got a standing ovation. Very scary!
11:25 PM on 11/24/2011
Why do the Republicans hate the working class?
AstorsCatfish
Family entertainment? Bollucks!!
11:59 PM on 11/24/2011
You are totally wrong.

You can't hate something you don't know anything about.
To know something about the working class you first have to know something about work.
The only way to know about that is to engage in honest work first hand.

They are just trying to guess what to say to get elected. So are the Dems.
We need statesmen, not politicians.
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Berryives
10:35 AM on 11/24/2011
Pathetic and elitist. Sure, let's replace decent wages for working men with child labor. Just roll back the clock a century. You "job creator" types are naked and on stage.
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Tom Iarossi
A proudly progressive veteran and educator
12:39 AM on 11/24/2011
The right wing noise machine is already cranking out the lies about how this is meant to teach kids responsibility, to start them on the road out of poverty.

Hogwash. Gingrich's little Freudian slip - "unionized" - revealed his true agenda. This isn't about teaching kids anything - it's about firing people from unionized jobs who make an average $26,000 a year and replacing them with kids who they can force to work a dangerous job for nothing or close to it. These aren't the paper routes of old or sidewalks to be shoveled - these are real jobs, requiring real skills, by people supporting real families.

Looks like the Newtster has wrung all he can out of being the frontrunner again. He's fading even faster than I expected.
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Razpooten
Nil homini certum est
05:22 PM on 11/25/2011
When I was a kid I had a paper route after school. It did thech me dicipline and the worth of earning and managing money to have what you want. Notice I said, after school. Without school I would still have the paper route.
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troutster
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07:31 PM on 11/23/2011
He has no clue what a working person does! Totally out of touch. Insulting.

I hope all janitors, and low-paid people everywhere hear this.
05:50 PM on 11/23/2011
As one who worked as a janitor to help pay myself through college, I can only shake my head at how out-of-touch the Republican candidates are with the honest toil of the working class. Newt's arrogance will be his undoing.
Kali03
I am an Obama supporter
12:16 AM on 11/24/2011
"Newt's arrogance will be his undoing"

I hope so. Oh, I do hope so.
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More chocolate, please.
01:00 PM on 11/24/2011
It was before. Unfortunately, the American populace has a short memory.