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Stock Market To Cast Confidence Vote On Eurozone Monday After Disastrous German Debt Auction

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Posted: 11/23/11 05:58 PM ET

The eurozone will face a vote of confidence on Monday by the U.S. stock market.

Heading into the Thanksgiving holiday, the U.S. stock market plunged after Germany, Europe's largest -- and arguably most secure -- economy, found it surprisingly difficult to sell its government bonds or sovereign debt Wednesday. It's a sign that private investors are fleeing Europe and exacerbating the sovereign debt crisis there.

With the stock market closed Thursday and open for just a half a day on Friday, it likely won't be clear until Monday if the crisis is starting to spread to the United States. U.S. stocks may plunge on Monday if the situation in Europe deteriorates, some economists said.

"The markets are exaggerating the situation," said Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at Rockwell Global Capital in New York. "But by the same token, they're sending a message, and that strikes a cautious note."

By avoiding Germany's sovereign bond auction, private investors signaled that they have lost patience with European leaders and confidence that the eurozone will be able to avoid a breakup and a deep recession. The impact of investors' skittishness is growing. If they don't buy government bonds, interest rates on European sovereign debt spike, making it harder for countries to finance their debt pushing them closer to default.

In other words, investors fearing the worst could actually be making their fears come true.

The German central bank was forced to buy 39 percent of the 10-year sovereign bonds that Germany issued today, in a clear rebuke by private investors. The U.S. stock market plunged in response, as the S&P 500 fell 2.21 percent, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average plummeted 236 points to 11,257.55. European stocks also took a beating. The DAX index in Germany fell 1.44 percent and the CAC 40 in France fell 1.68 percent, and the value of the euro fell one percent against the dollar.

"This auction was disastrous for Germany, and one can easily conclude that this is one of the first concrete signs that the eurozone is in the process of breaking up, that investors have just about given up," Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group, said.

Germany almost set itself up for an unsuccessful bond auction though, said Jay Bryson, global economist at Wells Fargo Securities. He noted that the interest rate that Germany was offering on its new 10-year bonds -- just 2 percent -- was lower than the 2.25 percent interest rate offered last month and 3.25 percent interest rate during the summer. The lower returns simply were not as appealing, Bryson said.

If Germany, Europe's safe haven, can't sell off its debt to private investors, then more troubled countries such as Italy and Spain may find it difficult to avoid insolvency. And if those countries default, it could spell the end for the euro.

Investors are at this point afraid of nearly all European bonds. Interest rates on French and Austrian sovereign debt are approaching four percent, indicating that investors are increasingly eager to sell any European sovereign debt, no matter how well the country's fiscal house has been put in order nor how strong the economy is. Bryson noted that European banks also have been less willing to lend to large corporations in a sign that credit is tightening.

"The markets seem to think that euro is on the edge, ready to fall off the cliff," Cardillo said. "The message is loud and clear that the markets are basically going to force the Germans to compromise."

Germany, the most powerful country in the eurozone, has largely stood in the way of a rescue by the European Central Bank. The president of Germany's influential central bank recently said that the ECB must not violate its charter, which prevents it from buying sovereign debt directly from European governments.

But if the markets continue to inflict harm on Germany as well as the rest of the eurozone, Cardillo said, Germany eventually may relent and allow the ECB to buy large amounts of sovereign debt and issue euro bonds, driving down borrowing costs and ending the short-term crisis.

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The eurozone will face a vote of confidence on Monday by the U.S. stock market. Heading into the Thanksgiving holiday, the U.S. stock market plunged after Germany, Europe's largest -- and arguably...
The eurozone will face a vote of confidence on Monday by the U.S. stock market. Heading into the Thanksgiving holiday, the U.S. stock market plunged after Germany, Europe's largest -- and arguably...
 
 
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Minolta321
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09:18 PM on 11/27/2011
The stock market is not a voting machine on the issues of the day. It's about much much more than that.
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inthedesert
Those who never question will fall for anything.
07:50 PM on 11/27/2011
There are very few if any choices left. I think the entire world economy is going to tank in 2012 and it will be a big, big Depression that will last for years and years. Better fasten your seat belts and party on New Year's Eve like it's the end of the world.........cause it is.
marka
A Purple State Progressive
11:37 AM on 11/27/2011
The Eurozone has problems and lacks the political and financial tools to resolve them. I would not be surprised if the whole thing unravels.
10:20 AM on 11/27/2011
Economic turmoil will continue until Obama reelection is assured. Once reelected and with Congress back under Democratic control he will be able to fix US and European economies in the beginning of his second term.
05:55 PM on 11/27/2011
I hope you're being sarcastic. Obama has nothing to do with, or can do nothing about, the situation in Europe. Bond spreads due to lack of funding has nothing to do with Obama
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
10:19 PM on 11/27/2011
its funny to hear your standup routine....
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Realist2011
beware false profits....
10:00 AM on 11/27/2011
Well, obviously I missed one option. The US is apparently going to bail out EU countries, at least long enough to get past the next election. In Bloomberg News today, there's an article re: the IMF preparing a 700 billion + "loan" for Italy that will last them 12-18 months. Now, guess who essentially IS the IMF. You got it boys and girls, the US taxpayers. We contribute the bulk of IMF funds, the funds they're going to use to "stabilize" the markets. Actually, Timmy and his posse are just trying to keep things together for just a little while longer. So hand over your wallets, it's time to bailout the banks, again.
09:59 AM on 11/27/2011
Shades of 1932. It almost seems as if a world-wide depression is inevitable, and by "depression" I mean a period of economic instability and decline that will put the last centurie's to shame. As a favorite actress once said, "Fasten your seatbelts; it's going to be a bumpy ride."

BTW: Silver is grossly underpriced in relation to gold. Bought your's yet?
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
10:20 PM on 11/27/2011
i like copper.....can buy it and hold it discounted...
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Realist2011
beware false profits....
09:49 AM on 11/27/2011
What are the possible solutions? Very limited choices. First, the ECB can follow the US and just print money like mad. Result, same as here, completely self-defeating. Second, they can buy up the sovereign bonds at a lower price. This is only a very short-term solution. The ECB will have to recapitalize itself with its own bond sales, at a higher price. Also, the bonds that it buys will decrease in value quickly. Zero net on that idea. Third, and the most radical is to just let the defaults roll. It will collapse the banking system, but then again, this was all created by them so I don't really have an issue with "those that won big, lose bigger". Derivatives are dangerous. We've seen the truth about them, but don't seem inclined to accept reality.

The EU is toast. A single currency among different countries with their own spending issues was never a long-term solution. And "taking over" the governments of all of these countries is ludicrous, so I think the break-up is inevitable. While none of these are politically palatable, remember that politicians only care about one thing, their power, and maintaining it. They'll find some new, more destructive short-term solution and we'll all be happy again, at least until after the next election. "Truth" is always going to come back to haunt us. We can deny it, but we can't change it. So long as derivatives are legal, the world is in trouble.
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budanatr
US Expat in EU
02:58 AM on 11/27/2011
Consider this....

The IMF and large banks force tell the borrowing countries to implement austerity programs. The austerity programs cause their economies to go further into a hole. They scam the media into writing stories about the global crisis and the crisis in Europe and the US which increases fear and causes unsavvy investors to back away from investing in these countries. Then the banks and credit rating agencies lower those countries credit ratings. Then the banks increase the interest rate they are charging to those countries. Then the banks increase their revenues.

If you doubt that this is a deliberate strategy just look at the realities.

Not only at the banks doing this in Europe but also in the US.

The individuals involved in this global scam should be immediately arrested and thrown into a nice Russian prison in Siberia forever. They are willing to destroy the lives of millions to make more money for themselves. It is sick.

The world must stop them and take them to task for their cynical strategy.
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2lib4oh
04:27 AM on 11/27/2011
That cynical strategy is driven by risk failures and the inability of the banking institutions to raise adequate funding from capital markets. Governments fund the capital shortfall with variety of direct and indirect taxes on producers and consumers.
06:54 AM on 11/27/2011
yery well said. Fanned for insight and telling the obvious.

And the cynical strategy is rewarded in a bonus system gone out of control. Merkel wants regulations and fees installed in the banking system. Of course the UK and the USA are against it.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
02:06 AM on 11/27/2011
If the 10 year German bond goes above 5% next week, or Germany is alone left as Atlas holding up the world, and investors don't come to their assistance by buying sovereign debt, we're looking down the barrel of a gun. Depression is facing us head on.
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11:50 PM on 11/26/2011
The bank run has already begun!! Currently , B.O.A is being run (news will come after the bank is officially insolvent as not to scare too many) and MF global has recently robbed its customers of billions in secure trading accounts. I'd give it till early 2012 till the whole thing comes tumbling down! Get prepared !!!!!!
12:04 AM on 11/27/2011
And the GOP complains about there being too much government oversight and regulation in the financial industry.
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
10:52 PM on 11/26/2011
Headlines in England, The Telegraph, paint a little more alarming picture "Diplomats have also been told to prepare to help tens of thousands of British citizens in eurozone countries with the consequences of a financial collapse that would leave them unable to access bank accounts or even withdraw cash. Clearly in Europe they are concerned with the collapse of the Euro.

Any financial collapse in Europe is going to effect this country as well and what about US citizens on vacation in Europe, better make sure you have credit cards and American money, exchange rate could get real touchy...
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
02:11 AM on 11/27/2011
This is what happens when investors and the general public don't act in response to Professor Nouriel Rubieni's (NYU economist) warnings about the coming crash. Instead, the mass media tell us stories about shoppers in Manhattan fighting over a $2.00 waffle iron. When soon banks may be closing and these same people will be unable to get their money out.
09:23 PM on 11/26/2011
Golly dorn jee whiz, a couple of weeks ago everything with Germany was hunky dory. Interesting was a couple of weeks will do and rich corporations.
10:30 PM on 11/26/2011
Hmmph, let the "service society" write the headlines. At the end of the day, Germany does produce tangible goods. Our budget is not to 30 percent built on "Big Banking". There is no rational reason to just take all bad risks out of the hands of WallStr and The City and distribute it on the shoulders of taxpayers across Europe. Rather, we should default on all debt outside the EZ, see where that leaves everyone else.
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Hysterian68
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02:14 AM on 11/27/2011
Golly dorn jee whiz, a couple of weeks ago everything with Germany was hunky dory.
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Are you serious? Nothing has been "hunky dory" in Germany since the Berlin Wall was torn down. They were buying worthless bank assets and Greece and Hungary's "play money" along with the Irish, Spanish, Italy, and everyone else.

Soon, we'll see just how much of those assets were bought by banks on Obama and Bush's watch.
07:25 PM on 11/27/2011
If you listened to the news reports of the last 6 months it has been all about how Germany is wonderfully solvent, everyone is working and they are going to save Europe by themselves. I don't find it plausible and was only joking with what I wrote. Chill out, hysterian bro!
08:34 PM on 11/26/2011
Send them no more troops to subsidize their security. No more lend lease. No more free land for their surplus population. No more American Blood to solve their ongoing problems. Let the Europeans stand on their own two feet for the first time in 500 years.
10:10 PM on 11/26/2011
Rich talk from someone whose nation defines itself in an act of tax cheating. :) Not to mention that "Puritans" (a.k.a. "Pilgrim Fathers") weren't even existent 500 years ago.
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Hysterian68
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02:22 AM on 11/27/2011
Europeans are propping up our economy along with the Chinese. When they go, Americans are going to need to have their security subsidized.

Mexico will then move to take back the American southwest. Perhaps, we should let them have it.
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Gottlieb
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08:25 PM on 11/26/2011
I am betting on the European politicians making a mess since they have kicked the can down the road to the edge of the cliff. The stock markets on Monday will just represent which way the herd is stampeding. The British appear to be financial geniuses for not joining the Euro Zone and keeping the pound. The only European winners are going to be the non Euro countries.
10:14 PM on 11/26/2011
Look at most of the 17 Euro nations, almost each one of us has better structural data and performance than the UK. Tell me why to question France, Italian or German sovereign bonds structurally when compared to the UK. *chuckles* the nation who once invented trains and now us utterly incapable to engineer them.
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Hysterian68
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02:26 AM on 11/27/2011
Look at most of the 17 Euro nations, almost each one of us has better structural data and performanc­e than the UK. Tell me why to question France, Italian or German sovereign bonds structural­ly when compared to the UK. *chuckles* the nation who once invented trains and now us utterly incapable to engineer them.
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Not "better structure", but a good line of BS which all American and European bought. Soon, the British, Americans and Chinese may be the only major economies left standing. The baroness Margaret Thatcher predicted the end years ago and everyone laughed at her.
06:02 PM on 11/27/2011
How about all of the the countries you mentioned have had stagnant growth with exception to Germany, however now, including Germany, all recent PMI data shows contraction with Germany printing at 49.3. That is contraction. 60% of their exports are within Europe itself. Germany and France financed the profligacy of the debtor nations and now they are stuck holding the bag.
01:34 AM on 11/27/2011
Yeah, the Brits are true financial geniuses. Margaret Thatcher admired Reagan and his trickle down nonsense. A lot of manufacturing in Britain has gone under her reign. Their car industry is run by Germans now. More than 30 % of what Britain adds to the economy are financial hot air products. LOL
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Hysterian68
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02:28 AM on 11/27/2011
The British were smart to get rid of their clunker economy and let the Germans have it. They can grasp it as they go under.
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Mock38
08:25 PM on 11/26/2011
When the Huffington Post predicts a crash for Monday, do not hold your breath.

Also, the German bond auction failure should act as wake up call to Frau Merkel and her pack of Euro scolds.