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Egypt Elections: Turmoil In Tahrir Square Casts Pall Over Ruling Military Regime, An American Ally

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First Posted: 11/25/11 10:34 AM ET Updated: 11/25/11 11:55 AM ET

CAIRO -- As tens of thousands of people packed into downtown's Tahrir Square for the eighth straight day of massive street protests against Egypt's military regime, the regime itself seems to have hardened its stance against any significant concessions, raising questions about the intentions of a major American ally.

For more than a week, protesters here have directed their fury at the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces (SCAF), a shadowy council of 24 generals which demonstrators say has only propagated the policies and tactics of the regime of former president Hosni Mubarak.

On Tuesday, Field Marshal Mohammed Hussein Tantawi, the leader of SCAF, offered a slight concession to protesters, assuring them that elections for a civilian president would take place no later than June 2012.

But the ruling generals have disappointed protesters over the past several days. Many fault them for permitting the violence, and the violent assaults by security forces, to continue unabated. After Tantawi finished delivering his speech on Tuesday, security forces around Tahrir fired volleys of tear gas into the area, forcing many demonstrators to flee from the square.

After days of standing on the sidelines while clashes raged between protesters and tear-gas-armed riot police, the Army finally moved in early on Thursday morning to impose peace, setting up concrete barriers along Mohamed Mahmoud Street, where the worst fighting has taken place.

In a wild press conference on Thursday that partly devolved into a yelling match with reporters, two top generals stated that parliamentary elections, which many liberals and revolutionaries hope to postpone, would continue on time. They also flatly denied widespread evidence that security forces had abused defenseless protesters during the street clashes of the past week.

"Egypt is not Tahrir Square," Maj. Gen. Mukhtar el-Mallah said at the press event Thursday. "Egypt is not Mohammed Mahmoud Street."

The general went on, "Trust in the SCAF is absolute from the majority of the Egyptian people because they have no one to support them but the army. There’s no power that will protect Egypt now from the threats Egypt faces and the conspiracies but the military."

Lauren Bohn, a freelance journalist who attended the press conference, described encountering an Egyptian journalist weeping in the bathroom during the event.

"This is a nightmare," the woman said.

"The really scary thing is, those were not lies," another Egyptian journalist said afterward. "It's what they truly believe."

It has been a steep decline for an institution that has long been one of the most popular in Egypt, and which was heralded as the nation's savior back in February, when street protests ended the 30-year regime of president Hosni Mubarak.

At the time, protesters hoisted Army officers on their shoulders, parading them around Tahrir Square and chanting, "The people, the Army, one hand!"

Now in Tahrir Square, the chant is, "The Army, the police, one hand" -- a reference to the hated and brutal Interior Ministry security forces, who have faced off with protesters all week.

In a report released last week, Amnesty International slammed the "brutal and heavy-handed" behavior of the military since taking over power, and said that tactics used over the past several months bear "all the hallmarks of the Mubarak era."

"When people left Tahrir on February 11th, they wanted to believe in the army because they didn't want to get into a confrontation," said Amal Bakri, an activist who has been involved in a new organization, No to Military Trials for Civilians, aimed at fighting SCAF.

"Little by little they found out, and it started just two weeks after Mubarak stepped down," Bakri said. She ran off a list of the military council's sins, including abuses of protesters, the unlawful detention and military trial of thousands people since the revolution, and the horrifying murder of several Coptic Christians during protests in October.

"The people started to realize, but they still didn't want to face it," Bakri said.

Indeed, it appears to have taken the tumultuous events of the past week to make many established Egyptians recognize the true nature of the SCAF.

Earlier this week, Mohamed Aboul Ghar, a 71-year-old medical doctor who helped found the liberal Social Democratic party after the fall of Mubarak, publicly apologized for having agreed to participate in a meeting with SCAF officials during the height of the recent Tahrir crisis.

When he arrived at the meeting, Aboul Ghar told The Huffington Post this week, he found that he was the only person in the meeting to raise the matter of the protests in Tahrir. He delivered to the generals a list of five demands -- including that the violence stop immediately, and that the army issue a clear apology to the nation -- and was assured that the SCAF would comply.

Instead, that night, he watched Tantawi deliver his defiant address. It would take two more days before the SCAF followed through on most of the demands.

"If they had said this in the microphones or on the televisions, probably people would have been quieted," Abou Ghar said. "Maybe. At least it wouldn't have led to a tragedy, because people wouldn't have died afterwards."

He added, "We do not accept anymore that the army is the sole guardian of the revolution."

The sting is bound to be particularly strong in Washington, where top SCAF generals are a persistent and familiar presence, and many in the American administration had privately hoped the army might stand as a bulwark against whatever forces of Islamism may emerge from Egypt's parliamentary elections. The Muslim Brotherhood in particular is expected to fare well in next week's vote.

Egyptian Army officers regularly train alongside their American counterparts, part of a tradition that dates back several decades, and SCAF officials are familiar faces around the halls of Congress.

But since its initial, cautious remarks on the violence that broke out last week between protesters and state security forces, the U.S. State Department has slowly ramped up its rhetoric.

In a background briefing before the recent uprising, a senior State Department official told HuffPost that the Obama Administration does not believe that SCAF generals have any intention of continuing to openly lead the nation, something that most Egyptian analysts agree is probably the case. But whether SCAF would be willing to give up the trappings of behind-the-scenes power they retained under Mubarak -- including, by some counts, control of one third of the Egyptian economy -- is yet to be seen.

"I think it doesn't matter whether they are in the forefront or if they merely have all the power to make decisions and to topple regimes and to make their own constitution," said Bakri. "The fact is they should not be allowed to be anything but to protect the country."

On Tuesday, the State Department, which has been wary of direct confrontation with SCAF's management of Egypt, for the first time explicitly condemned "the excessive force used by the police."

"We believe that the Egyptian Government has a particular responsibility to restrain security forces and to allow the Egyptian people to peacefully express themselves," spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said, following an earlier statement that had called for restraint from "all involved."

The big question, analysts say, is whether the military can be trusted to actually turn over power to a civilian government, and if parliamentary elections held under these murky circumstances would be a step in that direction.

"Frankly I never believed the elections should happen, because if SCAF was there, what kind of elections are we getting?" said Bakri. "People have died for clean elections and if SCAF is involved it will not be a clean election."

Aboul Ghar, whose party suspended campaigning this week and who would like to see the vote delayed two weeks to allow the parties to regroup, said that SCAF's failure has brought great disappointment to Egypt's revolutionaries.

"People expected the army to do better, and they did not. And they did not because of their incapability. They don't have the experience; they don’t have the political vision. You saw the press conference -- to give answers like that in an interview, any politician, he would vanish! It would be a scandal for any politician to behave like this."

"My feeling is [the SCAF] wants to have a safe retreat -- a safe retreat and all their previous privileges," Ghar continued. "But they won't have this condition. They will be forced to lose a good part of their privileges. They will have to."

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11:51 AM on 11/27/2011
I would love for our President (any - past, present, or future) to acknowledge that our sole interest in the Middle East is OIL. Without oil, we,d have no more interest in Egypt than we do in Rwanda or Somolia.

Had we never become militarily involved in the Middle East over the last 30 years, would the flow of oil be any less? Has our military involvement insured the security of the oil trade? If so, how?

Let's try a hands off approach for a change. The thing we are really interested in will not be affected. It's all they have to sell and it 's the only thing we want to buy. We've wasted enough lives and money already.
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soldier123
Ask not what your country can do for you but what
10:16 PM on 11/28/2011
And do you put in your car to make it go? Lets be real. Yes it is about oil . Oil effects every part of our lives to include the the shoes you wear and the clothes on your back. Be realistic, it is called life and survival.
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
04:30 AM on 11/27/2011
Any country that has the military running it is doomed, and I hope the Egyptian people will exercise their vote tomorrow, and get a civilian government as soon as possible.
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stargazer13
To Love One Is To Love All
03:16 PM on 11/26/2011
the people want leaders with justice ingrained upon there heart

Not just puppet leaders steering there ship in the same ol same ol direction
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Lawyer13
retired Lawyer, General and Psychiatric Nurse, wit
04:28 AM on 11/27/2011
America please take notice of this post, and reject the T/Republicans who are only out for what they can get, not what is right for the Great American People. F & F
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soldier123
Ask not what your country can do for you but what
10:25 PM on 11/28/2011
Nothing wrong with the T/Republicans. They are Americans
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peoplepersons
Obama 2012
12:08 PM on 11/26/2011
So it's okay to kill innocent people that just want to use a ballot to elect a president? There has got to be a deeper side to these governments allowing these protests to continue. It's almost like a negotiating seminar for them. Once enough die and people begin to feel tired then the fascist government steps in and gives them half of something they are laughing about in the back rooms. Democracy is a majority rule, wth is the problem here folks? We don;t vote anymore becuase your all jealous of China's financial reign on the world? Well get over it and buck up! The people mean more than yourself.
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peoplepersons
Obama 2012
11:58 AM on 11/26/2011
Egypt wants to be able to elect presidents from a ballot. Do they not know that, that is how America does it and it's not working? Pick one of the 5 bad ones. They don;t have to own up to what they tell you during the campaign process and becoming a four year term is okay with most of them becuase they have their buddies waiting to take their place once they don't get re-elected.
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Bills Catz
Don't believe everything you think.
11:53 AM on 11/26/2011
"Casts a pall," does it? Oh, that's tear gas and smoldering corpses... Took a long time for "The Pall" to get mentioned, perhaps there's a certain death in injury level that has to be met to qualify. Plenty of folks appalled at the pall, you betcha.
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omobob
left coast, usa
11:25 AM on 11/26/2011
The US must announce a immediate halt to any military assistance to Egypt now and in the future if the Egyptian Military does not not allow immediate free elections. Where is righteous indignity that is heaped upon Iran and Syria? Where is the militarily might that was leveled on Libya by Secretary Clinton and President Obama?
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Pooter1
10:01 AM on 11/28/2011
July 1st saw the first large scale demonstrations by the Egyptians public against the Supreme Council dragging its feet on getting the elections in place necessary to transition to a civilian government.

Yet in spite of these wide spread protest against the Egyptian military governement just four days earlier, on July 5th Obama proceeded to notifiy Congress of the Administration's intent to sell Egypt 125 tanks, parts of which would be produced in Egypt, as well as M256 Armament Systems, M2 .50 caliber machine guns, 7.62mm machine guns, spare parts, maintenance, support equipment, personnel training and other related elements of logistics and program support?

http://www.dsca.osd.mil/pressreleases/36-b/2011/Egypt_10-67.pdf

Can someonee please explain to me why would Obama want to continue arms sales to Egypt (or any country) where the government is unstable and the future unpredictable? Is Obama not concerned that these very tanks could be used to turn Tahrir Square into another Tiananmen Square?

I find the Administration's decision to proceed with the deal very odd and troubling?
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omobob
left coast, usa
01:58 PM on 11/28/2011
All military aid to Egypt should have been suspended. It is all too painfully clear why the US and the MIC wish to continue the sales of military hardware to countries of suspected crimes against it’s own people. But then Saudi Arabia pays us so well for the privilege.

>I find the Administration's decision to proceed with the deal very odd and troubling?

Well noted. faved. cheers
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madcityy
11:08 AM on 11/26/2011
the army will never give up powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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morristhewise
09:05 AM on 11/26/2011
Egyptians must learn to save and invest for a better life and community for themselves and their children. Confucius taught it, and it has worked for the Chinese and Jews. Depending on Paradise for the good life leads to laziness here on Earth.
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librldem
Snarking for Merika n jebus! Glory!
10:07 AM on 11/26/2011
Way too much smarmalade on that post. What dum dictums. Did you make them up or cut and paste?
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Bills Catz
Don't believe everything you think.
11:54 AM on 11/26/2011
The Egyptians must learn to dance the Macarena.
08:15 AM on 11/26/2011
The picture of Panetta with the General, reminds one of the picture with Rumsfeld and Saddam. With the US's assistance, the Generals are trying to stage a counter revolution, but the Egyptian people will triumph.
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librldem
Snarking for Merika n jebus! Glory!
10:10 AM on 11/26/2011
The one with rummy and Saddam was when we sold Iraq the chemical wmd's to use against Iran and the Kurds. More of the same coming up I'm sure.
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FZliveson
Beating the Conundrum
10:35 AM on 11/26/2011
Astute, Fanned. I shuddered when I saw L.P. in the photo but not the text. Pity that a man of secrecy, war and the machine of death is pictured in an article about a nation seeking peace. Send in the clowns...the circus of war continues.
08:11 AM on 11/26/2011
Panetta with the general, reminds one of the picture of Rumsfeld with Saddam. With the US's assistance, the Generals have been trying to stage a counter revoluntion, but the people will triumph.
lqw
Justmyopinion
07:06 AM on 11/26/2011
The "new " Egyptian prime minister with a PHD from the University of Michigan.
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Dantee
I drink for the pain!
06:27 AM on 11/26/2011
US tax-payers bought it, we own it! Why not send one of our GOP candidates to replace Mubarak?
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librldem
Snarking for Merika n jebus! Glory!
10:11 AM on 11/26/2011
An teach all them sinners about jebus also too!
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Bills Catz
Don't believe everything you think.
11:55 AM on 11/26/2011
Sounds good, send Cain.
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skialethia
αω vs military might
03:15 AM on 11/26/2011
Not one of my comments gets posted! I think I'll go back to a blog where we're not SILENCED.
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6531WilliamsG
Prior service Marine,Uni grad, U.S. Army shortly
06:59 AM on 11/26/2011
They do get posted, there seems to be some lag in them being posted and unnecessary censorship of some posts, though posts smacking or racism and bigotry/sexism or hate make it through.
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FZliveson
Beating the Conundrum
11:06 AM on 11/26/2011
A ton of creative, thoughtful and articulate people left because of capricious censorship. The HP is a chatty place now, way more than a forum for discussion and the creation of solutions. I miss thecwaynit was and cling to the determined context that the pendulum will swing back.
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yoursotruly
I haven't thought about it.
11:57 AM on 11/26/2011
Just because you can't learn the methods that will get your posts more attention is not a reason to give up, unless you have another blog where you can get international distribution for your ideas like you do on HuffPost. It took me months to learn many of the subtle and even blatant tricks that can get me more than fairness, I now trick HuffPost into giving my comments extra "hangtime" at the top of the other posts and other privileges that HuffPost doesn't give me intentionally. I'd tell you more but my privilege depends on NOT informing HuffPost or you of my maneuvers. Don't let me stop you from leaving, however, more space for my ideas.
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skialethia
αω vs military might
02:59 AM on 11/26/2011
Greasing the Egyptian military's palm to sink the Revolution.

Bahrain, Yemen, Egypt will be by-passed by the Arab "spring" thanks to U.S. meddling. The U.S. is in the business of manufacturing Revolutions as a means to an end, and subverting others that interfere with "strategic interests".
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09:45 AM on 11/26/2011
You, one of the few, have the situation exactly correct
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
07:55 AM on 11/28/2011
Glad this comment made it through the censors - exactly right on the money.