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Clarence Thomas, Elena Kagan Asked To Sit Out Supreme Court Health Care Case

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By MARK SHERMAN   11/26/11 09:19 AM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- Conservative interest groups and Republican lawmakers want Justice Elena Kagan off the health care case. Liberals and Democrats in Congress say it's Justice Clarence Thomas who should sit it out.

Neither justice is budging – the right decision, according to many ethicists and legal experts.

None of the parties in the case has asked the justices to excuse themselves. But underlying the calls on both sides is their belief that the conservative Thomas is a sure vote to strike down President Barack Obama's health care law and that the liberal Kagan is certain to uphold the main domestic achievement of the man who appointed her.

The stakes are high in the court's election-year review of a law aimed at extending coverage to more than 30 million people. Both sides have engaged in broad legal and political maneuvering for the most favorable conditions surrounding the court's consideration of the case.

Taking away just one vote potentially could tip the outcome on the nine-justice court.

Republican lawmakers recently have stepped up their effort against Kagan, complaining that the Justice Department has not fully revealed Kagan's involvement in planning the response to challenges to the law. Kagan was Obama's solicitor general, the administration's top Supreme Court lawyer, until he nominated her to the high court last year.

"The public has a right to know both the full extent of Justice Kagan's involvement with this legislation while she was solicitor general, as well as her previously stated views and opinions about the legislation while she was serving as solicitor general," the House Judiciary Committee chairman, Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, said Tuesday in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder.

Democrats have said Thomas has a conflict of interest stemming from the work of his wife, Virginia, with several groups that opposed the health care overhaul.

"From what we have already seen, the line between your impartiality and you and your wife's financial stake in the overturn of health care reform is blurred," 74 Democrats wrote Thomas in February. The lead writer was Anthony Weiner, the New York Democrat who resigned from Congress in June over his use of Twitter to send explicit photos of himself to women.

One lawmaker who signed the letter, Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., said she feels even more strongly now that Thomas has a conflict. She wants the Justice Department to investigate Thomas for omitting his wife's employers, including the Heritage Foundation and the tea-party linked Liberty Central, from his annual financial disclosure reports.

The campaigns against the justices are partisan, suggesting to some legal experts that the complaints are less about perceived conflicts than the outcome of the health care case.

"They are not doing it in the dark about how they think the justices will rule," said University of Notre Dame law professor Richard Garnett.

Looking at the claims made against Thomas and Kagan, Garnett said, "I don't think there's really a plausible case that either of these two justices should feel the need to recuse themselves."

Still, interest groups and lawmakers on both sides have sought to paint a picture of a justice who is hopelessly compromised and has no choice but to recuse, the term for a judge stepping out of a case. They also say there is no basis for the justice with whom they agree to step aside – Thomas for the conservatives, Kagan for the liberals.

"She has been exceedingly careful, unlike Justice Thomas," Nan Aron of the liberal Alliance for Justice said of Kagan.

Carrie Severino, a former law clerk for Thomas and chief counsel to the conservative Judicial Crisis Network, said the attacks on Thomas are groundless. "It's possible it's a pre-emptive strike because they knew there would be questions raised about Kagan's participation," Severino said.

Federal law requires any judge to sit out a case in which one of several conditions is met, including if "his impartiality might reasonably be questioned."

Another provision of the law that has triggered Kagan's decision to stay out of 28 cases since she joined the court concerns a judge who formerly served as a government lawyer. A judge should not participate if he or she served as counsel or adviser "concerning the proceeding or expressed an opinion concerning the merits of the particular case in controversy."

Kagan was as Obama's solicitor general before he nominated her last year to take the seat of Justice John Paul Stevens. She testified during her confirmation hearing in 2010 that she "attended at least one meeting where the existence of the litigation was briefly mentioned, but none where any substantive discussion of the litigation occurred." Kagan left the administration in August, about five months after the health care overhaul became law.

She said she would not take part in cases in which she "participated in formulating the government's litigating position."

Some opponents of the law said that Kagan did enough as solicitor general to meet her standard for stepping aside. They said emails released by the Justice Department under the Freedom of Information Act show Kagan had greater involvement in the administration's legal strategy than she acknowledged.

Most of the emails were written by Kagan's then-deputy, Neal Katyal. In one message, he said Kagan wanted her office "to be involved in this set of issues." In another, Katyal said he was copying Kagan on an email in which he offered recommendations on steps the Justice Department could take to counter a challenge to the law. "I haven't discussed this with Elena, but am cc'ing her here," Katyal said.

They also point to Kagan's email exchange with Larry Tribe, then an adviser at the Justice Department, about an upcoming vote on the legislation in the House of Representatives. "I hear they have the votes, Larry!! Simply amazing," she said.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky and three other GOP senators asked Holder last week to provide more information about Kagan's involvement.

"When a former member of the administration is in a position to rule on litigation in which she apparently had some involvement and which concerns legislation she herself supports, public confidence in the administration of justice is undermined," they said.

Even before the court decided to hear the case, conservative advocate Severino wrote that "the legitimacy of any decision where she is in the majority or plurality would be instantly suspect if she chooses not to recuse herself."

Liberal advocate Aron said Thomas should issue a written explanation to "reassure the public that his decision-making won't be compromised by his past activities."

Each side has said public confidence in the court will be hurt by the targeted justice's participation in the health care case.

But University of Pittsburgh law professor and ethics expert Arthur Hellman said the attacks, if sustained, can themselves undermine faith in an independent judiciary. "These personalized attacks can have an effect over time on the stature of the judiciary as something outside politics," Hellman said.

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Waltfl 03:11 PM on 11/26/2011
Thomas and Kagan can not be compared. There can be debate about whether Kagan should recuse herself from the health care case, or not. 

The right-wing blog-soladateska comes up with new speculations about her involvement in "Obamacare" every day. Give them another month and they'll say Justice Kagan wrote the health care reform singlehandedly (while in reality most of it was  Read More...
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cvermeulen9
And you thought it could never happen!
08:52 PM on 01/25/2012
Well folks the Consitution has been compromised and will be further eroded is Kagen does not recuse herself. She was very much involved in helping to formulate the argument concerning the Obamacare. She was one of the consitutional lawyers that secretly advised on it. See " Heritage Foundation". While she tries to minimize her involvment. It's too late Elana , you must recuse yourself. For the sake of the Consitution.
02:05 PM on 02/19/2012
Did you read the article?

And, citing the Heritage Foundation? Really? Nah, they're not biased at all.
02:01 AM on 12/16/2011
obama, most corrupt president ever, most incompetent president ever, most arrogant president ever, worst leader ever, etc, do I really need to keep going???
01:32 PM on 04/02/2012
Why don't you just say what you really really want too?
09:32 AM on 11/29/2011
The Democrats have NO answer to tort reform. Let the ambulance chasers have their way with the law. Obama's solution to everythng seems to be "do nothing." No budget for almost 3 years, no input to the "group of 12," no protecting US borders, no budget cuts, no nothing.
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lisaman
I am a liberal American so get over it
10:39 AM on 11/29/2011
Tort reform for the republicans are ideas like, loser pays. So when the "little guy" has a legitimate claim against some corporation they walk into court the underdog but if they are unable to defeat a team of lawyers and MONEY, they have to pony up all the costs. Nope, that is wrong.
I recently saw a documentary about these three lawyers in Kentucky who took on one of the fen-fen lawsuits and won. Their share was $20 million each but it was not enough, they stole money from the people they represented, people who were dying and probably died sooner as a result of these lawyers. So if by tort reform you mean a way to take the money out of the hands of the lawyers and let courts decide the split, I like that. The show appropriately was called, American Greed.
Oh and Obama gave the group of 12 documents containing his plan he would like to see them use, that was his input. Why should he even do that? It isn't like it was 12 children who were new to the party. More illegals have been deported under Obama than Bush.
Why do I waste my time, you aren't going to change your mind about him.
02:06 PM on 02/19/2012
Even assuming tort reform is a good idea (which it's not), it would only make a tiny little dent in costs, at most 1% of total cost.
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BklynDame
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09:17 AM on 11/29/2011
So many improprieties, so little time. The SCOTUS has given the appearance of being bought-and-paid-for tools for a looooong time; this just provides further evidence of their lapses in judgment.
http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2011/11/what-will-be-our-healthcare-legacy/
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07:27 AM on 11/29/2011
Let's not over-react. I mean they (the S.C.) can appoint a president. At least that's something.
luvdatbobcat
4 more years of no jobs, no change, and no hope.
09:17 AM on 11/29/2011
No President in our history has been appointed by a Supreme Court.
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D to go forward, R to go backwards
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surfinnonreality
EIT Excellence in Trolling Thanks for the talking
06:18 AM on 11/29/2011
Whether or not they they recuse themselves, it is evident from the posts on both sides that there is the appearance of impropriety on both justices. So either both recuse or neither recuse. Stop trying too stack the deck by getting one or the other to sit this one out. It really is moot anyway. Thier decisions will cancel each other out.
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PizzaGuy1
Konnichiwa. Hajimemashite. Karasu desu.
08:18 AM on 11/29/2011
There is no appearance of impropriety regarding Kagan. She was appointed by the President and she was solicitor general. Everyone knows that. CLARENCE THOMAS BROKE THE LAW by failing to report his wife's income over an extended period of time. His wife works for an agency that is trying to get the law repealed. This is deliberate, considered impropriety and quite blatant disregard for the laws Thomas swore to uphold.. Thomas should not only recuse himself, he should be investigated, impeached, convicted and disbarred.
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troll516
It's Not My Fault - Obama 2012
09:22 AM on 11/29/2011
So he should be convicted for something his wife does for a living.

Kagan worked for the administration that wrote the bill.

Try again. That spin fails.
06:16 AM on 11/29/2011
How many US citizens believe in the Supremes as a fair, non-political judical body? Very few of us, the Supremes are a farce, owned by BIG business. The new health care bill's largest benefactor?...insurance companies
socialized medicine just like Congress has- that would be real health care reform
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
06:08 AM on 11/29/2011
We are going to see one of the great legal battles of our lifetime. For decades the Commerce Clause has been stretched beyond recognition to achieve goals never intended for that constitutional provision. We have seen enough Judges and Justices who decide upon a desired result and then search for a legal justification. The Commerce Clause was used to great effect to advance Civil Rights in this country; it did so by regulating goods in interstate commerce. It does not follow that the Clause can be used to force a citizen to purchase a product in commerce. If we can be forced to purchase one good or service, what other goods or services can we subsequently be forced to buy? Will the federal government be allowed to require us to buy Chevy Volt’s to shore up GMC? Slippery slopes are dangerous for all. The over-reaching that one applauds when one’s own party is in control looks less inviting when power is wielded by those who do not share your world view.
02:25 PM on 02/19/2012
That's a slippery slope fallacy alright. You took us from being required to carry health insurance, to being required to buy a particular car.

That's a terrible analogy, and a very bizarre slippery slope indeed.

I'd like also to point out that the mandate to carry health insurance was derived from the cries of many conservative leaders and groups, and was "sold" as being in line with the idea of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Now, I'm not saying I'm favor of it, but there is some truth to this. I end up paying for many people who do NOT have insurance. So do you. In some ways, shouldn't they be responsible for their own health?

Either that, or you gotta argue that ER's should let uninsure people bleed out unless they can pay up! Right?
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Vapula
Failure is not an option
11:40 PM on 11/28/2011
A legal system as well as a Political system in desperate need of repair. When the Supreme court of the US cannot be relied on to be impartial and come to a judgement based on the law rather than their individual prejudices there is something seriously wrong.
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Michele Rossi
11:31 PM on 11/28/2011
Sigh-- if we really don't believe that SCOTUS can make a decision without all this crap-- we are in deeper doo doo that we ever thought. Don't the two then, effectively cancel each other out? GOD-- what a mess we are in! They were vetted, (although, no, I do no like Thomas)--but they were vetted and confirmed. The end. We must learn to live with decisions or work to change future ones-- but hindsight is 20/20--- and there is too much of that going on in our pitiful civic engagement. Get involved, get informed and vote, etc.-- from here on. Too little, too late!
03:17 AM on 11/29/2011
Elena Kagan purposefully withheld her writings as Solicitor General in the Obama Administration - that were required and expected for her confirmatio hearings.

There are reasons that Kagan withheld her writings - w The White House and US Attorney General Eric Holder as her con-conspirators -

for what is going on now = to have as little evidence as possible to force Kagan's recusal.

Elena Kagan should agree to recue herself -since it was HER job responsibility - as Obaa's Solicitor General - to develop and devise defenses for legal chalenges to Obamacare.
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mothra666
sdrawkcab si oib-orcim yM
03:36 AM on 11/29/2011
link please.
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englishman545
English Born, Brooklyn Raised
07:32 PM on 11/28/2011
Must have taken the "Hogwarts" Faculty picture before the final Harry Potter film.
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NJBill
I didn't build that!
07:22 PM on 11/28/2011
They'll cancel each others vote out, so what if they stay? I don't get it.
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
11:13 PM on 11/28/2011
But if one stays and the other doesn't, they don't cancel out each others vote. The REASON Thomas should go is that he has a conflict of interest, he stands to profit from the decision. This is NOT true of Kagan. Thomas should go. Kagan shouldn't.
03:19 AM on 11/29/2011
There you go with yr bullshyt - again.

Kagan worked on the legislation as Solicitor General = prior to her confirmation.
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JubalTHarshaw
Just Passing Through...
06:08 AM on 11/29/2011
Neither should go. All should be watched carefully.
06:24 PM on 11/28/2011
Wouldn't it be nice if they just rendered an opinion based on law instead of bias?
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
11:14 PM on 11/28/2011
Or, in the case of Thomas, profit motive?
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Wbischo
06:11 PM on 11/28/2011
I doubt that there is a person in this country who does not already have an "opinion" about this law. These nine people, however, have taken an oath to put asside their own opinions and determine if the law was followed. In this case they have to determine if the Health Care Bill is "unconstitutional". What has that to do with their personal opinions? It is either "legal" or not, and they are supposed to be the experts. Obama is the foremost expert, since he has taught college classes on the Constitution. If we have any Judges who we "KNOW" will ONLY vote along Party lines, then why are we sending this case to them at all? We either trust these Judges or we don't. In my "opinion", if this law is unconstitutional, then so are many others which require citizens to do things which are for their own good and the good of the country. Is it unconstitutional to require automobile liability insurance? That is "required", to prevent others from having to pay for something which is caused by yourself and for which you cannot pay to remedy. That causes our society to suffer the consequences. The same is true about health insurance. If people have no health insurance, then others have to pay for their care or society suffers the consequences. When people cannot afford health care, it is in society's best interest to help them do so. Our Constitution says we must "Provide for the general welfare".
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surfinnonreality
EIT Excellence in Trolling Thanks for the talking
07:17 PM on 11/28/2011
provide for the common Defence and general Welfare Typical dem editing. I realize the word defence is hard for you say.
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07:54 PM on 11/28/2011
the word is Defense.
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aceempress
11:58 PM on 11/28/2011
And obviously, it is hard for some repbulicans to spell.
09:36 PM on 11/28/2011
Actually, it says PROVIDE for the common defence (yes, it's spelled with a C) and PROMOTE the general Welfare. There's a difference there.
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
11:16 PM on 11/28/2011
As long as they're encouraging police to pepper spray protestors, and giving huge bailouts to Bank of America, they are doing neither.
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
11:29 PM on 11/28/2011
It IS nice to see that some people are getting it right. Not long ago, a conservative friend of mine criticized liberals for not knowing anything in the Preamble to the Constitution that comes after "When in the course of human events." I told him, that's the Declaration of Independence, and went on to tell him the entire text of the Preamble. If I had wanted to, I could have gone on to talk about Jefferson's authorship of the Declaration, and the committee of five and the changes that were made, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, which ones were Madison's, Hamilton's and Jay's, not to mention the Federalist Papers... but I didn't want to overload my conservative friend with information. I nearly busted up laughing when Rush Limbaugh said that the Preamble talks about "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Not only did I know that was Jefferson's from the Declaration of Independence, but I knew that Jefferson borrowed that from John Locke and he altered it from the original "life, liberty and property," not to exclude property but to be more expansive than property alone. But, laughably, Limbaugh didn't even get the document right where I, a liberal, knew the whole history behind Jefferson's use of the phrase, which he discussed at great detail in his letters to Adams and others.
04:52 PM on 11/28/2011
I don't have a preference between a 5-4 decision and a 4-3 decision so they both might as well stay.
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CharlieVer
Rush is a rock band...
11:18 PM on 11/28/2011
I'd like to see a 5-3 decision, with Thomas out (because he has a conflict of interest) Kagan in (because she doesn't) and Anthony Kennedy joining the majority.
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PizzaGuy1
Konnichiwa. Hajimemashite. Karasu desu.
08:24 AM on 11/29/2011
Yep