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U.N. Climate Conference 2011 To Deal With Carbon Reductions

ARTHUR MAX   11/27/11 07:02 PM ET   AP

DURBAN, South Africa — The U.N.'s top climate official said she expects governments to make a long-delayed decision on whether industrial countries should make further commitments to reduce emissions of climate-changing greenhouse gases.

Amid fresh warnings of climate-related disasters in the future, delegates from about 190 countries were gathering in Durban for a two-week conference beginning Monday. They hope to break deadlocks on how to curb emissions of carbon dioxide and other pollutants.

Christiana Figueres, head of the U.N. climate secretariat, said Sunday the stakes for the negotiations are high, underscored by new scientific studies.

Under discussion was "nothing short of the most compelling energy, industrial, behavioral revolution that humanity has ever seen," she said.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a hero of the movement that ended apartheid in South Africa, led a rally at a rugby stadium later Sunday urging negotiators to be more ambitious during what were expected to be difficult talks. Unseasonably cold, windy weather kept the crowd to a few hundred spectators.

Tutu, dressed in ecumenical purple robes, he said the struggle to end the racist regime in his homeland is now followed by a fight against "another huge enemy, and no country can fight this particular enemy on its own."

He chided countries that have been reluctant to renew pledges to cut carbon emissions. Whether rich or poor, "we have only one home. This is the only home we have," he said. "For your own sakes, you who are rich, we are inviting you: Come on the side of right."

In Rome, Pope Benedict XVI – sometimes called the "green pope" for his outspokenness on environmental issues – also called for the delegates in Durban to heed the needs of the world's poor.

"I hope that all members of the international community agree on a responsible and credible response to this worrisome and complex phenomenon, taking into account the needs of the poorest and future generations," he said during his traditional Sunday blessing from his studio overlooking St. Peter's Square.

Hopes were scrapped for an overall treaty governing global carbon emissions after the collapse of talks at a climate summit in Copenhagen two years ago. The "big bang" approach has been replaced by incremental efforts to build new institutions to help shift the global economy from carbon-intensive energy generation, industries and transportation to more climate-friendly technologies.

But an underlying division between rich and poor countries on the future of the 1997 Kyoto Protocol has stymied the negotiators.

Figueres said she hoped for a decision on extending emission reduction commitments under the Kyoto accord, which has been postponed for two years. Previous commitments expire next year.

"It's a tall order for governments to face this," but they show no interest in yet another delay, she said.

High on the conference agenda is the management of a fund scaling up over the next eight years to $100 billion annually to help poor countries cope with changing climate conditions.

Questions remain how the money will be governed and distributed, but more immediately, how those funds can be generated from new sources beyond established development channels from the West.

Ideas on the table include a carbon surcharge on international shipping and on air tickets, and a levy on international financial transactions – sometimes called a Robin Hood tax.

A committee of 40 countries worked for the past year on drawing up a plan to administer the Green Climate Fund, but agreement on the final paper was blocked by the United States and Saudi Arabia, and the final contentious issues will have to be thrashed out in Durban.

Todd Stern, the chief U.S. delegate, said the negotiations had been too rushed.

"I am pretty confident that we're going to be able to work these things out," he told reporters last week, without naming the problematic issues.

But Figueres said the future of the Kyoto accord, which calls on 37 wealthy nations to reduce carbon emissions 5 percent below 1990 levels by the end of next year, is the most difficult political issue that nations face.

"If it were easy we would have done it years ago," she said.

Poor countries want the industrial nations to commit to more cuts for a second period, saying the protocol is the only legal instrument ever adopted to control carbon and other gases that trap the Earth's heat.

But the wealthy countries, with growing consensus, say they cannot carry the burden alone, and want rapidly developing countries like China, India, Brazil and South Africa to join their own legally binding regime to slow their emissions growth and move toward low-carbon economies.

"We need to protect the Kyoto Protocol as the bedrock of the global climate regime," Tim Gore, the climate strategist for the aid agency Oxfam International, told The Associated Press.

In the weeks preceding the conference delegates have been bombarded by new research and scientific reports predicting grim consequences for failing to act.

The U.N. weather agency reported last week that greenhouse gases have reached record-level concentrations in the atmosphere since the start of the industrial era in 1750. New figures for 2010 from the World Meteorological Organization show that carbon dioxide levels are now at 389 parts per million, up from about 280 ppm 250 years ago.

This week the weather agency is due to report on global temperatures for 2011, which are expected to show a continuing long-term trend of global warming. The Geneva-based agency said last year that 2010 was the hottest year in the books.

Oxfam released a report Monday showing that extreme weather events, which scientists say are related to global warming, are driving up food prices and putting an impossible burden on people living on the margins.

In the last 18 months, Russia lost 13.3 million acres of crops, or about 17 percent of its production, due to a months-long heat wave. Drought in the Horn of Africa has killed 60 percent of Ethiopia's cattle and 40 percent of its sheep. Floods in September have raised the price of rice by 25 percent in Thailand and 30 percent in Vietnam, according to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization.

The Nobel prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said "unprecedented extreme weather" caused by global warming will become increasingly frequent and make some places unlivable.

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Nicole Winfield contributed to this report from Rome.

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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
02:05 AM on 11/29/2011
U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
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There is a strong, credible body of evidence, based on multiple lines of research, documenting that climate is changing and that these changes are in large part caused by human activities. While much remains to be learned, the core phenomenon, scientific questions, and hypotheses have been examined thoroughly and have stood firm in the face of serious scientific debate and careful evaluation of alternative explanations...

Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
04:08 PM on 11/29/2011
Why would anyone care what netdr thinks?

Big Oil already concedes they're culprits.

SHELL

“The world must take action to halve CO2 emissions by 2050 in order to avoid the worst effects of climate change. This action needs to be reconciled with a rising population and economic growth, which together will result in energy demand doubling by 2050. Energy underpins the way we live today and supports the hope of a better future for many. Shell stands in the front line of the challenge to supply more energy in a way that recognises the need to reduce CO2 emissions.”

http://www.shell.com/home/content/environment_society/environment/climate_change/

EXXON

“The Fourth Assessment Report (AR4) of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC 2007) provides an update of scientific understanding regarding GHG emissions, global warming and the risks of climate change, and the way changes could unfold in the future. Emissions scenarios and results from climate models (see Figure 1) estimate that, without policy intervention, temperatures could increase 1 to 5 º C by 2100.”

http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate_mgmt_report.aspx

CHEVRON

“At Chevron, we recognize and share the concerns of governments and the public about climate change. The use of fossil fuels to meet the world's energy needs is a contributor to an increase in greenhouse gases (GHGs)—mainly carbon dioxide (CO2) and methane—in the Earth's atmosphere."

http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/
05:06 PM on 11/29/2011
And MAJOR CAPITALISTS, like RUPERT MURDOCH, head of Fox News and News Corp., and his personal $7.4 Billion, agree with Big Oil's ADMISSION OF GLOBAL WARMING.

"I am proud to announce that News Corporatio­­­n has reached its first major sustainabi­­­lity milestone: we have become carbon neutral across all of our global operations and we are the first company of our kind to do so."

http://www­­­.huffing­t­o­npost.­co­m/­2011­/03­/01­/r­uper­t-mu­­rdoch­-new­s­-cor­p-c­arb­on-­ne­utral­_n­_­829640.­h­­tml?ir=Gr­­­een

So do Bill Gates ($59B), Warren Buffet ($39B), Michael Bloomberg ($19.5B), Paul Allen ($13.2B), Steve Ballmer ($13.9B), Steve Jobs ($7B) (deceased), Michael Dell ($15B), Sergey Brin ($17B), Larry Page ($17B), the Walton family ($100B) (Walmart), Richard Branson ($4B), and other billionaires with net worths totaling ~1/3 $Trillion, 200 more CEOs, and investment groups controlling ~$20 Trillion in CAPITAL.

Plus, many corporations like Intel, Microsoft, Apple, Ikea, Tesco, and Walmart have joined Exxon, Shell, and Chevron in their concern over global warming and efforts toward reducing their CO2 emissions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/maxwells/intergovernmental-panel-climate-change-weather_n_1101270_119427300.html

http://www.intel.com/intel/other/ehs/product_ecology/globalclimate.htm

Think these guys plan to go broke transitioning to clean energy?

Is the Pope jewish?
11:43 AM on 11/28/2011
The failure of Durban will be a great Christmas Present.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
12:41 PM on 11/28/2011
...for Big Oil.
01:29 PM on 11/28/2011
No for all mankind.

Merry Christmas !!
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
04:09 PM on 11/28/2011
Predictable inflammatory and unecessarily capitalized tripe.
04:49 PM on 11/28/2011
The climategate 2 e- mails have been an early Christmas presents.
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Sleepers Awake
Google this: "Fighting for peace is like" ...
10:10 AM on 11/28/2011
Greenpeace is right.

China is building their green future with Vesta wind turbines made in China for China (see http://bit.ly/s5DW1j ), and they are now building the giant wind turbines for Texan wind farms (see http://bit.ly/p7A9BU and http://bit.ly/nLvt5M ). They are preparing for their future.

What are we doing, and how are we preparing for our future?

DC "representatives" sell their souls to oil industry lobbyists and war for profit contractors while many on main street watch Dancing With the Stars.
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Revgregory
09:40 AM on 11/28/2011
n Rome, Pope Benedict XVI – sometimes called the "green pope" for his outspokenness on environmental issues – also called for the delegates in Durban to heed the needs of the world's poor.

The pope helped get George bush elected, then calls for assistance on environmental issues and help to the poor. So after you put the monster in power and reduce any real possible change, then complain about the monster. Topical man in power.
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bigfrog
Eat more beans
08:26 AM on 11/28/2011
If we'd started this whole process of weaning ourselves off fossil fuels in the early 70's after the oil embargo then maybe by now we'd have made enough progress to head off a whole catalogue of threats to our civilisation, but we didn't. We continued to dig a deeper and deeper hole and then jumped in it.
Whilst I do what I can, and am very environmentally aware and proactive, I now have serious doubts about whether this problem is actually solvable in any realistic way. The fact is that in just a few hundred years we will have used up millions of years worth of stored solar energy in the form of fossil fuels. The unregulated use of this energy source has allowed our population to grow to unsustainable levels. It's a hard but unavoidable fact to face that in the years that follow life will be a difficult struggle and only the fittest will survive. Climate change is just one more thing to add to the list of dangers.
07:39 AM on 11/28/2011
scientists say are related to global warming RELATED TOO-- MORE OPINIONS-- WE WANT TRUE SCIENCE NOT OPINIONS.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
08:46 AM on 11/28/2011
That's the same argument they used about cigarettes causing cancer. It wasn't possible to prove that any specific case of cancer was caused by smoking, so the argument was that it wasn't proven that smoking causes cancer. All along the science was clear; smoke cigarettes and you'll have a much higher chance of getting cancer.
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abbienormal
What hump?
09:23 AM on 11/28/2011
It is impossible to prove causality so scientists use associative studies taken from numerous samples and time periods to provide evidence that points to causality.

That is how all scientific studies are done - even in medicine. So, if you trust medical research (obesity is associated with Type 2 diabetes) then you should trust the work of climate scientists.
11:46 AM on 11/28/2011
Equating climate science to medicine reveals poor thinking skills.

Comparing Climate science with Medicine for example is not rational.

The differences are, age of science, rate of learning, and objectivity of observations.

Climate science is a baby science and 99 % of all studies have been done since 1988 and Dr Hansen’s speech to congress. Medicine is thousands of years old.

The rate of learning is faster for medicine since studies can be completed in days or weeks and contaminating factors can be eliminated.

Models are the best way to test climate science against future data but they take 20 years or so to verify or disprove the assumptions.

The rate of accumulation of knowledge in climate science is much slower than in medicine.

Medicine is much more objective and the penalty for fooling oneself is more obvious.

Doctors found that they unintentionally overstated the effectiveness of the drug they were studying so they devised the double blind experiment. No such experiment is possible in climate science.
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Facts are stubborn things
12:34 PM on 11/28/2011
netdr: "Climate science is a baby science and 99 % of all studies have been done since 1988 and Dr Hansen’s speech to congress."

99% of statistics on the Internet are pulled out peoples' arses.

Science denier rhetoric is stupefying.
07:28 AM on 11/28/2011
Not to worry. The psychopathic bankers and politicians are going to crash the world's economy and we will not be able to afford to waste as much fossil fuels as we have in the past.

Some people will welcome the transition to sustainable economies, and some people will be dragged along kicking and screaming.

IMHO
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LivingDebtFree
I bet you I can be less competitive than you.
07:18 AM on 11/28/2011
Why can't an article like this ever be published without overblown hype? That picture is a joke.
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BUSFREAK
08:34 AM on 11/28/2011
The whole global warming this is an overblown hype.
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
08:47 AM on 11/28/2011
That settles it for me.
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abbienormal
What hump?
09:24 AM on 11/28/2011
You really should stop breathing those bus fumes.
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05:19 AM on 11/28/2011
Donna Laframboise's bombshell expose of the IPCC continues to soar at Amazon. Here's a typical review.....

"Donna Laframboise....thinks clearly, works harder than ten other investigative journalists combined, and has a refreshingly iconoclastic view of the world - she sees it for the folly it often is, and yet retains her affection for - and trust in, the basic common sense of the global citizenry. In this book, Donna has truly hit her stride, the issues that surround the science of Man-Made Global Warming are grave matters and they require serious grown-up attention. The problem is that serious grown-up attention is thin on the ground in the modern news whirlwind, where opinions that ought to be nuanced and well-considered - and above all FACT-CHECKED - are instead thrown into the wind without a backward glance. Donna has taken two years at least - at I can only imagine what personal toll - to bring her serious professional skills to one of the most contentious and important issues facing humans on this planet. And the result is a devastating critique of the United Nations panel on Climate Change. No matter what your position on Global Warming - and there are many reasonable if differing views - this relentless and yet extremely amusing assessment of the vanities, idiocies, and outright delinquent irresponsibility of the IPCC ought to make you carefully reconsider everything you thought you knew about Global Warming.

Outstanding book by a...premier investigative journalists."

http://tinyurl.com/7395a3b
06:47 AM on 11/28/2011
By all means check out the reviews of this book. Orkneygal posted some snippets of the ones she likes.

Here is one that doesn't agree with her. "Lies, misrepresentations, and a bible for climate change deniers"
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ILoveFiction
That's unbelievable!
08:49 AM on 11/28/2011
Not selling too well, I take it.

What a shame.

People just don't read enough fiction these days.
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Chipher
04:50 AM on 11/28/2011
Which is it, man!? "Global Warming™', 'Climate Change™' or Extreme Weather™'??

I noticed Papa in Rome wants a little 'taste' of the action, if this tithe-tax goes through.

"Unseasonably cold, windy weather kept the crowd to a few hundred spectators." Ha,ha.

Carbon Caliphate Meet In Secret to Reduce Life Quality of 7B Humans. Now THAT'S cold!!
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quillsinister
06:11 AM on 11/28/2011
Global warming, climate change and extreme weather are three related yet distinct phenomena. Your second sentence makes little sense to me, but then, I make it a habit to ignore the doings of religious figures. Your third shows a lack of understanding of how Earth regulates temperatures; much like how the melting icecap led to a slowing of the thermohaline current, which in turn led to a colder winter in certain places even as the global average went up, not everything is going to be linear. Your final sentence is just silly.
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
08:53 AM on 11/28/2011
Global warming is primary effect. Climate change covers the other effects such as increased droughts, increased extreme weather events, floods, altered global circulation patterns of air and water, rising sea levels, melting glaciers, melting polar ice, etc.
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beardown
03:37 AM on 11/28/2011
Wind power is a waste of money!!
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Chipher
04:51 AM on 11/28/2011
1093 accidents, some catastrophic (giant turbine blades breaking off, flying 1000m. 80 fatalities.
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quillsinister
06:12 AM on 11/28/2011
Hey, remember when we fought wars for oil? Oh yeah, we still are. And compare with the health-related deaths tied to oil and coal.
08:57 AM on 11/28/2011
Your proof?
02:11 AM on 11/28/2011
"Green Pope". Now there's a thought. If god and allah and jesus and mary and whoever are so holy and good and all, shouldn't they be in the front lines helping us reduce emissions...?
Another thing, reducing our population would be an undisputed benefit to all of us.
Imagine, only one billion human beings on this planet. All would have plenty of space, freedom, food and resources. All it takes is a little effort. Global One Child Policy now. It should at least be recommended by the UN. Wake up people.
03:57 AM on 11/28/2011
You are right! 6 billion people on this little planet. Its too much.
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BUSFREAK
08:37 AM on 11/28/2011
WW3 will be around soon enough.
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01:35 AM on 11/28/2011
So it gets a little warmer? Why do you think so many people want to move to the sun belt in the first place? Now they can stay in sunny Indiana.
08:58 AM on 11/28/2011
And begin to join in the wars for food, water, and freedom from Dengue fever.
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01:24 PM on 11/28/2011
Unless an astroid hits us first. Or we blow ourselves up. Or a virus mutates and wipes us all out. Or we have massive earthquakes and Cali falls in the sea. All real threats.
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abbienormal
What hump?
09:28 AM on 11/28/2011
Right. America is the only country in the world.

Schools must have dropped geography from the curriculum recently.
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Overtone
See bio on the Aesop Institute website
01:30 AM on 11/28/2011
THE GAME CHANGER IS AN UNRECOGNIZED MORTAL THREAT OF MULTIPLE MELTDOWNS OF NUCLEAR PLANTS DUE TO A SOLAR MEGASTORM.

Once widely accepted and understood decentralized renewable energy can be accelerated and fossil fuels superseded far faster than might be imagined.

See the Aesop Institute website for an overview of the peril and what can be done to prevent the worst.

The NOAA states solar megastorms are a serious potential threat.

NASA warns such a storm can collapse critical power grids for years.

Nuclear plants without grid power for a month are meltdown candidates.

There are more than 440 nuclear plants worldwide. 71 of them are located in the areas of the USA that a NASA sponsored study suggests could suffer very long-term blackouts.

Rooftop solar is available today. See Moving Beyond Oil and Cheap Green on the Aesop website for a few revolutionary technologies in the birth canal.

Survival is a much more powerful motivational force than anything that may emerge from this or any other conference. Millions of lives are at hazard.

We are playing Russian roulette with the sun.
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Chipher
05:02 AM on 11/28/2011
Neither wind or solar can handle baseline load. They're a chi-chi Veblenaut status symbol. A property developer wanted to buy into the 2008 LEEDs scam by adding commercial solar. We pinned down a solar salesman on installation, maintenance and replacement life-cycle costs. For hours we played with his team, I mean, they were looking at $profit$! Finally after doing all the site and inclination studies, power estimates (new, clean) and life cycle costs, the solar guys admitted there's no way solar would net-positive, it was only to get LEEDs credits, so you could squeeze more out of the condo-flipper hysteria. America has always been full of scammers, cons, boomers and carpetbaggers, people just seem to have forgot.
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Overtone
See bio on the Aesop Institute website
10:09 AM on 11/28/2011
Base load power will be possible to handle with Black Swan breakthroughs. These are highly improbable innovations with enormous implications.

See Moving Beyond Oil, Cheap Green, Running on Water and Black Swans on the Aesop Institute website for a few examples.
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01:15 AM on 11/28/2011
Economic self-interest and the math make all of this a non-starter.

http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N45/yost.html