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Climate Conference 2011: Canada Says Kyoto Protocol 'Biggest Blunder,' May Withdraw

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First Posted: 11/28/2011 2:10 pm Updated: 11/29/2011 8:36 am

Global climate talks got an inauspicious start in Durban, South Africa, on Monday with reports that Canada planned to withdraw fully from the Kyoto Protocol, a carbon-limiting multinational treaty first adopted in 1997 and scheduled to expire in 2012.

Canada had already signaled that it would take a hard stance at the Durban talks, where negotiators from around the world are hoping, among other things, to extend the Kyoto agreement with a new phase of emissions reduction commitments. But the suggestion that Canada also planned to abandon its commitments under the original Kyoto protocol, which the nation appears unlikely to meet in any case, was met with deep disappointment by advocates for climate action assembled at the conference.

"Canada has been very clear that it would not be taking on a second commitment period," said Tasneem Essop, a former provincial minister of environment, planning and economic development in the South African province of Western Cape and head of the delegation for the environmental group WWF. "But abandoning the first commitment period would mean that Canada will have absolutely no integrity in the international arena.

"I believe that there will be a backlash against Canada," Essop added in a phone call. "The NGOs are very angry about this news, and Canada will have to do a lot of hard work to regain credibility."

A report on Sunday by the Canadian broadcast network CTV suggested that the Canadian government, under the leadership of conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper, had planned to make an announcement on the nation's withdrawal from Kyoto "a few days before Christmas." Speaking to reporters on Monday, Canadian representatives neither confirmed nor denied reports of its withdrawal plans, though the nation's environment minister, Peter Kent, asserted in no uncertain terms that "Kyoto is the past."

In a transcript of the press conference provided to The Huffington Post by a spokesman for the environment ministry, Kent also described Canada's participation in the Kyoto agreement as the folly of his government's predecessors. "Our government believes that the previous Liberal government signing on to Kyoto was one of the biggest blunders they made," Kent said, "particularly given they had no intention of fulfilling that commitment."

The Kyoto agreement -- which grew out of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and was adopted in Kyoto, Japan, 14 years ago -- bound more than three dozen industrialized countries to reduce emissions of certain greenhouse gases by a given percentage, averaging just over 5 percent, over 1990 levels. The protocol was to take effect only after at least 55 countries, representing 55 percent of global CO2 emissions, had ratified the document. Those conditions were fully met in 2004, and the treaty was entered into force in early 2005.

The emissions reductions were to be achieved between 2008 and 2012, the period during which countries would be required to report their progress. Developing nations were not required to make significant reductions, and the United States, accounting for nearly a quarter of global greenhouse gas emissions and by far the largest global per capita emitter, refused to participate.

Europe has made up the bulk of the emissions reductions, and collectively, industrialized countries are on track to achieve the Kyoto goal of reducing their emissions by at least 5.2 percent over 1990 levels. This is true even when including U.S. emissions, which have increased by more than 10 percent over 1990 levels, according to an analysis of global emissions inventories published in September by the Netherlands environmental ministry.

But much of the decrease in emissions is attributed to the collapse of East European and Russian economies in the post-Soviet era, as well as to the current global recession, which has helped to reduce industrial output and overall energy use in many countries. Establishing a second phase for the Kyoto protocol, which officially expires at the end of next year, is a primary goal for negotiators gathered in Durban over the next two weeks -- although significant stumbling blocks make that outcome uncertain.

The United States -- and increasingly, Canada -- are among rich nations that have argued that developing countries like China must formally agree to emissions reductions of their own before a truly global and binding climate treaty can be reached. Short of that, they argue, industrialized economies are unduly hobbled, while powerhouses of the developing world, which are expected to account for an increasing share of global emissions, are able to grow and pollute with abandon.

Developing nations counter that the U.S., Europe and other developed countries became rich through profligate use of inexpensive and CO2-intensive energy sources like oil, coal and natural gas, and that they are to blame for the current build-up of greenhouse gases now warming the planet. They also suggest that it is unfair to ask poor nations to avoid use of inexpensive fossil fuels at precisely the time when they are poised to repeat the economic growth enjoyed by the rich world over the last century.

A $100 billion Green Climate Fund, first posited at the failed climate talks in Copenhagen in 2009, is designed to provide financial assistance to developing nations in their efforts to combat climate change, and establishing an architecture and funding for the trust is among the many goals of the Durban talks. But signs emerged even before negotiations got underway that progress on that front might also prove difficult.

Global greenhouse emissions, meanwhile, continue to rise, and even some participants in the first phase of Kyoto are expected to fall short of their goals under the agreement. This includes Canada, which had pledged to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 6 percent compared to 1990 levels. Canada's most recent inventory of greenhouse gas emissions, submitted to the United Nations earlier this year, showed that while the country had been making year-over-year reductions since 2008, its emissions are still nearly 20 percent higher than they were in 1990.

Critics in large part blame increased development of the tar sands, a vast and contentious deposit of sand, clay and oil in northern Alberta. The Canadian government has expressed strong support for stepped-up exploitation of the tar sands, which they view as an economic boon. But opponents have argued that the carbon footprint associated with such an expansion would permanently cripple global efforts to get global warming under control.

"What's astonishing is watching Canada emerge as a rogue among developed countries," said Bill McKibben, the author and activist who has spearheaded a grassroots movement aimed at combatting a pipeline proposal designed to deliver some 700,000 barrels of oil each day from the tar sands to refineries and ports on the Texas Gulf Coast. "Of course, they have no choice but to ditch serious climate policy if they want to develop the tar sands in a big way -- and that pool of gunky oil is clearly the tail wagging the dog up there."

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04:48 AM on 12/02/2011
check how cynical the mainstream media can be towards global warming, shocking

http://youtu.be/us2spZqtMGU
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adoseofsanity
Recovering liberal.
08:02 AM on 12/01/2011
The fiscal reality of the world--a whole lot of countries are broke due to out of control entitlement spending--has contributed to global economic weakness. In effect, even if one is sold on "man made" global warming, the economic costs to meet massive reductions in carbon emissions have led to this issue becoming largely irrelevant. Obama isn't talking about it. No liberal is. And in the long run, this issue may very well be come to be seen as one of the greatest "hoaxes" ever created.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
11:00 AM on 12/01/2011
Financial bubbles are created by billionaires and millionaires, not by folk subsisting on charity, halfdoseofsanity.
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adoseofsanity
Recovering liberal.
12:18 PM on 12/01/2011
I am referring to nation states being bankrupt which occurs when they cannot sustain their spending. And, millionaires and billionaires are not the problem in an economy. Bubbles are created by in markets usually by mis-guided public policies. In a normally functioning market, bubbles will not a occur as the laws of supply and demand preclude their formation. Do yourself a favor ReedYoung, take an economics class.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
07:36 AM on 11/30/2011
The biggest blunder is the prime minister of Canada. Why they had signed the first commitment period? Now they no longer have any credibility on world stage. They're just a loon.
But surely US decision to keep staying out of Kyoto protocol is not better. Of course China and other countries of the developing world must agree to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions if we want a really global climate treaty but then no agreement would have been signed. We firstly should begin by us. And set up sanctions against those who won't respect the laws. All countries around the world have to commit themselves.

Canada probably left Kyoto protocol -- if they actually do -- because they are very close to US so they are influenced by them. As US government hadn't followed them now they come back.
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banana republican
Next in line for crumbs from the King's Table
09:31 PM on 11/30/2011
No. I say lets begin with everyone else first and us last. In this instance, the first one across the finish line is the loser and the last one across is the winner.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
06:22 AM on 12/01/2011
And what do you say if those you want to push through ask the same thing as you: us last?
To be sure of being followed once we begin we need some strict punishments against potential offenders.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:43 PM on 12/01/2011
Typically, you think this is a game. Is it because your psychosocial development was arrested at adolescence?

We're headed for a fall. It will make the end of the Roman Empire look like a cakewalk.

Get ready for it. You will live to rue your words. But I, on the other hand, will not be surprised...and if by some cosmic fate or magic sky fairy, I am wrong...well, I still get to live in a world of prosperity like the one I have known.

I'm not betting on those odds though.
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04:02 AM on 11/30/2011
Canadians are just sick of the long cold winters and all the commuting down to Florida every year. Think of all the carbon that will be saved if they only have to commute to, say, Massachusetts.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
07:49 AM on 11/30/2011
Yeah and if they all stop in MA we may have less oil gas in lungs. lol
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Gracie fr
04:59 PM on 11/29/2011
Prime Minister Stephen Harper, aside from changing the office stationary, has made quoite a few very business friendly moves lately as though he has suddenly been transformed into the President of the United States of Canada....so , should he, could he, would he....????
12:13 AM on 11/30/2011
What are you talking about? Canada is correct in doing this act never mine if is unpopular. Climate change should serve every country's need and purpose and not burden the developed countries to pay for its fantastic price and not use as scare tool.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
09:09 AM on 11/30/2011
I've not anderstood. Why and how climate change could serve countries' need?
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:43 PM on 12/01/2011
Drivel.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:24 PM on 11/29/2011
The Gore Effect:

"As if on cue with former Vice President Al Gore’s arrival in Copenhagen, the site of the United Nation’s climate summit is expected to receive heavy snowfall and bitter cold temperatures. With a bit of amusement some have pointed to the arrival of the cold weather as an example of the ‘Gore Effect’.

In recent years, the term ‘Gore Effect’ has come to take note of unseasonable weather that seems to accompany the Nobel Laureate or when a significant global warming event is held. Since 2004 these coincidences occur with uncanny frequency. Gore arrived in Copenhagen yesterday and caused a stir in his first public event by claiming that all Arctic sea ice could disappear within five years.

The Dutch Meteorological Institute’s forecast for Wednesday calls for heavy snowfall with high temperatures of only 35 degrees (2 degrees Celsius). Temperatures will continue to drop Thursday and winds will be between 25 and 30 mph causing wind chill temperatures in the teens. Friday’s high temperature is forecast to stay below freezing and overnight lows will drop all the way to 10 degrees (-12 Celsius).

In recent weeks as Gore started to make a number of media appearances related to the release of his new book “Our Choice” and the Copenhagen summit, much of the United States was plunged into unusually cold weather."

www.examiner.com/climate-change-in-national/the-gore-effect-sets-on-copenhagen-as-heavy-snow-is-forecast#ixzz1f7V5SVbk
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
04:12 PM on 11/29/2011
Gore again! Man, you are fixated. Do you have a picture of him in your high school locker? I hear he's single again. Maybe you should stalk him.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
06:21 PM on 11/29/2011
Wow! Twice is fixated?


Any luck with explaining that whole Kyoto pollution thingy, or are you still trying to deflect attention from that?
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Ian Gord
Resist we much !
06:25 PM on 11/29/2011
Al Gore is a charlatan.

GWB's election in 2000 may not be the best thing that ever happened to the country, but it sure allowed us to avoid the pain of a Gore presidency.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:14 PM on 11/29/2011
If a denier can't discuss the science, he can always revert to bashing Al Gore. Stan you certainly are trolling a lot.
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10:37 PM on 11/29/2011
It's Bush's fault.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
11:08 PM on 11/29/2011
Discuss away, explain how Kyoto would reduce pollution.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
11:50 AM on 11/29/2011
The poor little minions of the Church Of Global Warming aren't doing so well here, it might be time to bring in the big guy, Mr. Freeze, aka Al Gore, and let him yell at us for a while!
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
12:21 PM on 11/29/2011
The science speaks for itself. Gore has nothing to do with it, nor ever had. You seem to be fixated on him, though. A crush, perhaps? Not my type, but, hey, it takes all sorts. I'd prefer to talk about the data instead of your romantic fantasies, however.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
01:11 PM on 11/29/2011
Nah, I just find the 'Gore Effect' to be hilarious.
And how many times have I mentioned him?
Does once in a conversation regarding AGW constitute a fixation?

Seems basic science and logic still eludes you.

The science speaks for itself?
Hide the decline! That speaks for itself.

Any luck in coming up with an explanation of how the Kytoto treat would have accomplished it's stated goal, or are you still stymied?
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:47 PM on 12/01/2011
Flagged O/T.
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wetbonder
Educating liberals one day at a time
10:41 AM on 11/29/2011
Oh my. Canada comes to its senses.
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4everright
My heart went boom
10:17 AM on 11/29/2011
and the lefties watch their dream of spending everyone else's money go down the drain.
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
11:46 AM on 11/29/2011
Man. You really, really like money, don't you? Ever wonder if you're compensating for something?
11:57 AM on 11/29/2011
Your ad hominem is pretty off the point. When governments are going broke, and too many green energy projects turn out to be corrupt money pits, people finally realize that we cannot afford environmental extremism.
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
08:47 PM on 11/29/2011
Yes.
You don't?
Then give all yours to Al Gore and David Suzuki, I hear they want to buy even larger mansions.
(Caution, Fixation Alert!)
09:07 AM on 11/29/2011
The second release of Climategate emails, and then this. Warming alarmism may be on its last legs.
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4everright
My heart went boom
10:17 AM on 11/29/2011
we can only hope
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:52 PM on 12/01/2011
And when you're cooking in your own grease, or under water, don't come crying to me. I will be on my porch with a ri/fle and plenty of am/mo for the climate refugess like you who were so flippant about our future.
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Katmandu01
10:15 PM on 11/29/2011
Get off that silly kick about climategat­­­e whether its your 1.0 version or your new 2.0. The CRU was exonerated by at least five independen­­­­­t investigat­­­­­ions including one done by the Royal Society of London, one of the oldest and most prestigiou­­­­­s scientific academies in the world. But I suppose 100 investigat­­­­­ions wouldn't convince you since they would all be IN ON IT. Wait...tha­­­­­t's not fair since a joint statement by Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones and Glenn Beck might convince you since they're such well establishe­­­­­d scientific authoritie­­­­­s. For what it's worth, I'll just point out that almost all the media and political discussion about the hacked climate emails has been based on soundbites publicised by profession­­­­­­al sceptics and their blogs. In many cases, these have been taken out of ­context and twisted to mean something they were never intended to.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/09/climate-emails-truth-global-warming
As well whatever nonsense is still dredged up about "climatega­­­­­­te" the CRU's data is very similar to what has been presented by NASA, NOAA, the Japan Meteorolog­­­­­ical Agency and now the Berkeley Earth Project.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15373071
http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/another-round-the-cru-e-mails
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CanadaStan
Cogito ergo spud, I think, therefore I yam
11:09 PM on 11/29/2011
Only an idiot would buy the whitewashes.
08:36 AM on 11/29/2011
NGOs (Non Government Organizations) are not democratically elected and DO NOT represent the will of majority of the people.
They are frequently run by extremists.
Many accept money, intelligence, and strategic direction from foreign governments, foreign intelligence services, and foreign corporations.

NGOs do not have a legitimate seat at the table for all of the above reasons and more.
08:32 AM on 11/29/2011
Durban is just a redistribute the wealth scam.

While I don't think global warming was a made up scam I do believe the scammers took it over !

Thank heaven for some sanity.
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
11:44 AM on 11/29/2011
Yeah, those 97% of world climatologists and every single major scientific organization around the globe are real shysters, just in it for the money. Boy you nailed it. How'd you get so smart?
11:59 AM on 11/29/2011
He probably wised up to the scam by reading the leaked emails.
12:40 PM on 11/29/2011
I was born that way.

Blame my parents

I think there was a real concern about possible warming but there is ample evidence by now to alleviate these fears.
08:27 AM on 11/29/2011
Durban the early Christmas gift that keeps on giving.
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
12:28 PM on 11/29/2011
giving...Coal. Literally. Are you a masochist?
12:56 PM on 11/29/2011
Coal creates electricity.

Alarmist BS created nothing.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
08:25 AM on 11/29/2011
I am for all the green stuff and solar and wind energy, but we have sometimes to come down to earth from the hysteria.

A single volcano eruption can cause more damage than the entire population of the earth by spewing gases and acid rain and other pollutants.

What I support really is the recycling of metals and other items that do not pollute in the process of recycling.

A tax on all new products would encourage the commerce in pre-owned items and reduces the need for recycling and create jobs by allowing the small businesses to compete and reducing the need for these huge store that destroy jobs.
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
11:43 AM on 11/29/2011
"A single volcano eruption can cause more damage than the entire population of the earth by spewing gases and acid rain and other pollutants­."

Wrong. Volcanoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about 1% of human CO2 emissions which is around 29 billion tonnes per year.

If you're that wrong on such a simple thing, ever wonder what else you may be wrong about?
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
09:35 AM on 11/30/2011
Wrong. Human CO2 emissions per year -- 2008 for instance -- are around 29 MILLION tonnes. Not billion. Maybe you're carried away by your imagination.

If you're wrong on such a simple thing ever wonder what else you may be wrong about!
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
01:57 PM on 12/01/2011
Oh look, an uniformed child posting typical denialist nonsense.
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
08:10 AM on 11/29/2011
The Kyoto agreement better change name if to be adopted , as Japan is the biggest exporter of nuclear clouds and contaminated object therefore an agreement carrying that name is laughable.
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Lucile S
Lib and a truth lover.
08:05 AM on 11/30/2011
It will be Durban protocol. You think it's better?
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grizzly bear55
King of the forest
08:11 AM on 11/30/2011
I was saying the name is inappropriate, should be something that does not involve Japan's name.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
02:01 PM on 12/01/2011
What a silly observation.